Nor true. GOG selling Steam keys would be promotion of their competitor, Valve/Steam. GOG has its own service and infrastructure that it is trying to sell to its customers (through the games), that's the product that GOG is making. So for that particular case there really isn't any real distinction to Apple selling also Android devices on top of their own iOS devices. After all, the biggest reason for Apple to favor its own iOS is AppStore. They don't want e.g. GooglePlay on Apple devices.

The other option would be that GOG would introduce its own form of DRM to the GOG service. This wouldn't be promoting Steam, but directly competing with it. It would be similar as the Capsule DRM on GreenManGaming, or GamersGate's on infrastructure which is still DRM (even if there is a simple workaround to bypass it).

Considering how irrelevant Capsule and GG DRM are nowadays, I don't see this second path as that plausible for GOG either. For people who don't mind DRM, Steam it is (and some other account-based service only if some game is not on Steam, like Mass Effect 3 on Origin, or Diablo 3 or Starcraft 2 on Battle.net). GOG doesn't have similar leverage to restrict games only to GOG. The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 maybe (if CDPR agreed to restrict them only to GOG, which they most probably won't), but those are years away.

But who knows, maybe GOG surprises us all at some point. But if GOG would give up their "no DRM" policy, I think it would most probably mean selling keys to other services (like Steam, maybe also Origin), not introducing their own form of DRM. The same path that HumbleBundle already chose.

That's your opinion, not a fact. And considering that GOG has moved away from selling only old classics that no other store wants to sell, they don't seem to feel it is their (only) core business. Same goes to regional pricing, apparently in the end they felt it restricted them more than helped their business. I don't know if there are many people to whom the primary reason to buy from GOG is lack of regional pricing.

On the other hand, since they have still kept their DRM-free promise, apparently they think it is more important to their business than selling only classics.

Stop presenting your personal opinions as facts. Even GOG seems to disagree with you, and they have the sales data. You don't.

If the same classics are also on Steam, with the friends lists and achievements that you like, why would you still choose GOG over Steam?

As far as I can tell, most people who generally prefer buying their games from Steam, prefer it also for the old classics, as long as they are on Steam. And Steam increasingly have those same classics as GOG, making it less attractive for GOG (as the only core business).

Yes yes, and Mac gaming is not going anywhere either, it will dwindle and die and you will play only Windows games in the future. Same will happen to iOS, something like 80% percent of mobile phones are already Android, iOS is being marginalized.

Mac and iOS are a myth. Just accept Windows and Android, and be done with it. Join the majority, and stop voting with your wallet for things that you find preferable (like Mac gaming, or DRM-free gaming). Otherwise you are just deluding yourself.

Oh, the irony.

Everyone in capitalism is out to get your money. My uncle has the best grin while stabbing you in the back mannerisms I have ever seen and the man is a billionaire because of it. That's just how the world works.

Some sellers do try and make their money by appealing directly to niche audiences however. Obsidian did it on Kickstarter, GOG did it in the beginning with PC classic fanboys who were disappointed with modern games for the most part. Now they've zeroed in on the DRM free thing and are forsaking almost everything else, which... you know, everyone has a method. Whether you agree with them or not they have a method, and you can reward them or reward someone else.

The entire video game market is kind of fucked really, from a consumer point of view. If you spend an equal or greater amount of time as I do in the movie and TV on disc market you'll see how much better consumers are treated there in general. It's enough to make you throw your hands up on games, if you're a dramatic motherfucker like I can sometimes be.

You sure do seem to know all about Apple, Macs, OS X, iOS, iPhones, Apple retail stores, etc. for a guy who I presume has never set foot in an Apple store and does not own any Apple products. You know nothing about the Mac games market. I can tell. You are good at fooling yourself as suits you when trying to make points but all the stuff you keep bringing up about Apple, etc. doesn't wash. You know, I am able to discuss things with people without everything needing to be framed in the context of the Apple ecosystem. You might want to switch gears and find some other ways to make your points using examples that you actually understand and know something about.

If you really want to keep going back and forth, something i know you relish, you will need to drop the constant Apple references and come up with something better else I am unlikely to reply to further such posts.

Back on topic, this business was initially built on selling classic games. It's not opinion. It is fact. That's what they sold here. People don't buy something based on whether it has DRM or not as the first consideration even when that is important to them. The game itself is the primary thing somebody wants to buy and everything else is secondary, including the issue of DRM. And if you do still consider that just an opinion, how is it that yours could be any more accurate than mine? It would just be your opposing opinion wouldn't it? People did not come here with the attitude of "Yay! No DRM! I don't care what the games are so long as they have no DRM!" I am pretty sure that what the games were mattered - a lot, like more than anything including DRM or no. People desire a particular game first and consider other factors second.

I do buy classics on Steam btw. I buy games here that I cannot get anywhere else primarily. Sometimes though I will prefer a GOG release that is already setup with Boxer or Wine to run on my Mac so I do not have to bother doing it. Sometimes I will prefer a classic on GOG over one on Steam for simplicity in running it with Wine when I need to set it up myself. It just depends. Sometimes price is a factor too but not usually compared to the other things I mentioned.

soooo..... are you one of your uncles heirs?
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Did I ever tell you that you are my best friend?

Hey, hey! He's my friend. Back off! lol

the more you talk on this thread and the more it become obvious that a MAc fanboy/regular customer is not as his best to lecture or patronize people about DRM subjects. (oh and i SOOOO LOVE the part with your condescending tone when you "ASSUME" people who do not agree with you to NEVER had stepped into a apple TEMPLE SHRINE store or OWING a "preeeeeciouuuuuss" apple device so they should shut the beeeeep up... this retreat saying is typical of apple FAITHFUL customers... believe it or not, many people now own a relic-like apple device without giving a damn about it as you seem are doing, just as they use steam: it's wide-known, displayed by media, made easy of use or so - until they once got a problem with one, again- but the day the fuss/hype/easier-use comes to another brand, they would switch without shedding a tear or going to confession to nearby vendor priest...)

sorry to abruptly tell the truth, but you started it with the argument about "majority rules/leads", or sales number, or such... and given the computer/phone/market/game ecosystem youa re being cuddled, you clearly cannot display the level of abstraction and global sight that would grant your points any validity.

People dont mind DRM or dont care and all jump in steam... because it's cheap, easy and fast and it is displayed all around as THE only way or so (most other online stores are selling steam keys in fact)
Well, the majority of people doesnt mind DRM, true... until the day they have any trouble, problem, pain in the ass or loss of easyuse or collateral damage because of it. then surprisingly enough, they are the first to scream and shout louder than anyone around here :)

i sometime ago use to repair/fix/help steam users with their shit on their own comp (mine goes fine thanx, i am the kind of idiotic jerk who refuses drm and anti copy protection to corrupt my working/daily use machine)
i did but i dont do it anymore... because the only pain in the ass those people got about drm was having to pick up the phone to call me and cope with the shit. so long now, i leave them their desserved pain in the ass and i rather enjoy my own gaming and computing tranquility

Umm, I don't know who pissed in your breakfast cereal this morning but it wasn't me. Honest!

What kind of computer I like to use has nothing to do with any of this. Nothing. Zero.

I have said if you read the rest of the thread that I don't like DRM either. However, I am simply being realistic about what is going on with new AAA releases, what is going to continue to happen most likely and what I think GOG is going to ultimately do. That's about it really, none of which has anything to do with my computer or the company that makes it or anything else they happen to make, etc. All that has nothing to do with anything here.

I don't blame you for hating DRM. I really don't. I accept it myself when it is painless to me and I reject it when it isn't. There have been times I would not buy something depending on what DRM it had. Fortunately though, most stuff of interest to me on Steam, Origin, Blizzard, Mac App Store, etc. has DRM that is not intrusive (to me) so I'm fine with it. I just want to have fun playing the games I want to play. So probably like most people I just take things on a case by case basis.

I keep pointing to Steam as an example simply because it is living proof that millions of people will accept DRM if it is painless to them and buy games that have it. It is the biggest online games retailer by far. So it stands to reason that most people will probably accept DRM so long as it doesn't inconvenience them significantly, including here on GOG.

It isn't all bad news though and I mentioned that earlier too. GOG will still offer many games DRM free so people who demand that will have options. It sounds like even some big name new games might come that way which will be nice. However, most new AAA releases are going to have DRM and people can always skip those and wait x number of years for it to hopefully be removed as one option.

In other words, GOG won't really lose or give up anything by taking on DRM'd games. They will just be adding yet more selection and the people who want them can buy them and the people that don't, won't.

I just find the marketing hype about so-called values, etc. to be insulting marketing spin just like I found the recent announcement worded as "Great News!" to be an insult to our intelligence. It was.

As far as people buying on Steam because they accept it's DRM, that may be part of it but it does go beyond that as well. Steam offers a lot of side benefits that comes with game purchases, everything from game time tracking, achievements, community sections, reviews, etc. Some of the people here scoff at some of these things but Steam users love them, hence why they continue to use the service. Steam offers a value beyond a simple storefront that no digital distributor has come close to replicating.

I've always thought that as long as other distributors have 'given up the fight per se' by distributing Steam keys that GoG will continue to be on this little island where they are unique in their DRM-free stance and region free pricing. I always thought once they started getting into the business of offering new indie games which in turn directly competes with Steam it was a fight they a destined to lose because there is no way that they can compete. If they ever gave up DRM, they might as well just become like the Humble store then and be a steam key distributor because I can't see why people would buy here anymore.

Nope! He's an ultra-conservative and doesn't believe in giving money to anyone! Awesome!

hmm... in that case... I never liked you anyway.

Oh... well... I mean... okay.

Does that mean I must cancel my order of DRM-free AK-47s?

No those should be fine. :D

That is like saying that the fact there are far more Windows and Android users compared to Mac/iOS users is a proof that most Apple users would be fine switching to Windows and Android.

It adds a lot of irony value to your arguments, though. Because the majority, you know?