Posted February 14, 2014
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Posted February 15, 2014
Sorry, I cannot help but share this.
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I found this video very entertaining because I'm the opposite of a Libertarian. Thanks. :)
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swaimiac: I don't get the anger, it simply does not make sense to me. No one is asking anyone to 'give up their place' that they 'worked hard for'. It seems to me that a lot of people are getting their knickers in a bunch over absolutely nothing. I have yet to see a response that does not conjure up visions of lily white bigots wrapped in the flag and waving bibles in the air to ward off evil unpatriotic spirits.
rampancy: I remember reading somewhere in a experimental psychological study (that I can't for the life of me find) that people are opposed to others being given the same level of treatment (or equality of rights, equality of wealth distributed) as they are, because they see it as an attack on their own privilege, even if the elevation of others is demonstrably proven to have no effect on them whatsoever. It's a reasonable explanation for the current hostility over gay marriage/LGTBQ rights, or racial equality (though I do understand the controversy surrounding issues like Affirmative Action in the United States).
In this case, people who speak English feel angry over public affirmations of linguistic plurality because they feel like it's an "attack" on their own privilege as native English speakers.
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Posted February 15, 2014
Is it weird that I came to this thread after reading some people from Murican be upset about Facebook having 50 different gender options? Some days...
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Posted February 15, 2014
I had a feeling you might enjoy that! I toyed with Libertarianism years ago and while there are some parts that may be appealing, it always left me with a sense of terrible feelings of unmitigated greed.
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monkeydelarge: I found this video very entertaining because I'm the opposite of a Libertarian. Thanks. :)
swaimiac: I had a feeling you might enjoy that! I toyed with Libertarianism years ago and while there are some parts that may be appealing, it always left me with a sense of terrible feelings of unmitigated greed. VABlitz
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rampancy: In this case, people who speak English feel angry over public affirmations of linguistic plurality because they feel like it's an "attack" on their own privilege as native English speakers.
swaimiac: I know what you are referring too, but the name of the study fails me. Of course, that very attractive Puerto Rican girl with the Big, Beautiful...eyes sitting beside me didn't help me pay attention to that hag of a teacher I had in 8th Grade.
And whatever moron thought it was a good idea to wait until the 8th grade to start teaching a second language. The latest that should start is 6th grade, and yes for our country Spanish is the proper second language.
Post edited February 15, 2014 by jjsimp
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monkeydelarge: Official language being English doesn't = those who do not speak English get kicked out of the country or crucified or are incapable of being a part of society or are not allowed to speak whatever language.
Why did you reply to me and then say something completely unrelated to my post? No one said anything about kicking people out or stopping them from speaking. What was discussed was American language norms being locally decided and driven, not mandated by the State.
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monkeydelarge: Official language being English doesn't = those who do not speak English get kicked out of the country or crucified or are incapable of being a part of society or are not allowed to speak whatever language.
StingingVelvet: Why did you reply to me and then say something completely unrelated to my post? No one said anything about kicking people out or stopping them from speaking. What was discussed was American language norms being locally decided and driven, not mandated by the State.
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infinite9: Let me make this clear to you:
If you're going to have a commercial featuring a patriotic song, you do so in the language it was meant to be in. If you want to know why my statements should not come across as racist or bigoted, imagine the South Korean national anthem getting sung in Russian. I know that "America the Beautiful" is not the official US national anthem but it is still one of the patriot songs (anthems) of the United States so don't bring it up. Also, imagine any other patriotic song (anthem) of any other country being sung in any other language than the official language or languages of that country.
Would that make sense to you? I ask because it wouldn't make sense to me just as having a US patriotic song sung in any other language other than English doesn't make sense. If the United States is to be a melting pot, then it must have a common language for people to understand each other. If legal immigrants wish to maintain their native languages, they can do so in private but when they are doing business with other Americans especially natural born ones, they should be expected to speak English kind of like how someone who immigrates to France should be expected to speak French or someone who immigrates to Russia should be expected to speak Russian.
That is what the complaints are about. That commercial was bullshit. The Coca-Cola advertising department is filled with dumbasses if they really thought that was a good idea not to mention that the commercial itself had nothing to do with the product which is another complaint in itself.
Also, if I worked hard for my place and I don't feel any urgency to give it up, then I'm not giving it up because, last time I checked, someone else is not suppose to have the special privilege of pushing me out just so that he/she can have an easier ride.
swaimiac: That Coke chose to do this is not an assault on English or some multicultural conspiracy. Coke is emphasizing the diversity of the USA, that it is a melting pot of ideas as well as people. Yes, even a melting pot of language. If you're going to have a commercial featuring a patriotic song, you do so in the language it was meant to be in. If you want to know why my statements should not come across as racist or bigoted, imagine the South Korean national anthem getting sung in Russian. I know that "America the Beautiful" is not the official US national anthem but it is still one of the patriot songs (anthems) of the United States so don't bring it up. Also, imagine any other patriotic song (anthem) of any other country being sung in any other language than the official language or languages of that country.
Would that make sense to you? I ask because it wouldn't make sense to me just as having a US patriotic song sung in any other language other than English doesn't make sense. If the United States is to be a melting pot, then it must have a common language for people to understand each other. If legal immigrants wish to maintain their native languages, they can do so in private but when they are doing business with other Americans especially natural born ones, they should be expected to speak English kind of like how someone who immigrates to France should be expected to speak French or someone who immigrates to Russia should be expected to speak Russian.
That is what the complaints are about. That commercial was bullshit. The Coca-Cola advertising department is filled with dumbasses if they really thought that was a good idea not to mention that the commercial itself had nothing to do with the product which is another complaint in itself.
Also, if I worked hard for my place and I don't feel any urgency to give it up, then I'm not giving it up because, last time I checked, someone else is not suppose to have the special privilege of pushing me out just so that he/she can have an easier ride.
I don't get the anger, it simply does not make sense to me. No one is asking anyone to 'give up their place' that they 'worked hard for'. It seems to me that a lot of people are getting their knickers in a bunch over absolutely nothing. I have yet to see a response that does not conjure up visions of lily white bigots wrapped in the flag and waving bibles in the air to ward off evil unpatriotic spirits. I am not saying this is you, but the attitude in the post drips of the vitriol that permeates most tweets on the topic, it is hard not to see it.
This is the same group who oddly and quite ignorantly called the recent Miss America a terrorist. And said that a natural born american should not sing the actual national anthem because he is of Mexican descent. And don't know that Puerto Rico is part of the USA. The attitude is earth-shatteringly sad, especially since it seems to come from a lot of young people.
That people who immigrate here should learn to speak English is a no-brainer. If you want to do business here, sure. English is not official, though it is the dominant language, no one disputes that, not even Coke Corporate. A new immigrant in their 30s and 40s may have a hard time becoming proficient enough to satisfy the people who look for anything to be outraged about. Their kids however will, they will speak very well, without an accent and in time they will have kids who speak English-- who will also likely know their native language and perhaps even speak it just as well.
It is ironic that while these people will criticize the commercial over the use of languages other that English, it is obvious that they barely have a grasp of it themselves while that vomit hatred over Twitter and Coke's Facebook page. Most also apparently had no idea the song is not the national anthem.
All of the singers and people in the commercial were American, but they were not the special definition of American held in the minds of the detractors. I think that speaks volumes of the attitude displayed by those who disliked the commercial because of the 'language'. The whole 'English' angle smacks of a code, a double speak for 'brown people'. Their criticism appears to be entirely born out of misguided, racist "white pride" from under-educated yahoos who think everyone should speak English-- 'as Jesus intended'.
There are far greater and more serious things to get angry about. If these angry people could devote that energy to something useful, perhaps we can solve some serious problems in this country. But they won't, because they are too busy raging against people who look and sound different than them.
Also, most of the complaints were never intended to be big deals. The vast majority of the people who complained about the Coke ad, including myself, are more concerned with US national debt, inflation, underemployment, unemployment, and defending what's left of our constitutionally-protected individual liberties. Your claim against the complainers is a built upon a strawman. The only people who were making a big deal of it were those defending Coke's leadership and making personal attacks against the complainers. In other words, the race-baiters; the real racists (look at the ones who despise black conservatives and black Republicans); the "blame America first" types; the illegal immigrant sympathizers (the ones who welcome illegals but then bitch about higher costs, overpopulation, and depressed earnings); and the fake historians (the ones who go on and on about the ethnic Native Americans while forgetting how they waged wars against each other constantly or the atrocities committed by Mexican settlers) were the real troublemakers. I've seen plenty of them on Facebook.
By the way, "white pride" just means dispelling "white guilt" and embracing a culture that traces back to European origin. It's no more racist or worse than "black pride" or "Hispanic pride." Just throwing that out there.
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infinite9: You apparently have really poor judgment. There is nothing hateful about saying that an American patriotic song should be done in English. There is nothing bible-toting about it especially since it's a non-religious (secular) statement and I'm not just talking about my own statement.
Also, most of the complaints were never intended to be big deals. The vast majority of the people who complained about the Coke ad, including myself, are more concerned with US national debt, inflation, underemployment, unemployment, and defending what's left of our constitutionally-protected individual liberties. Your claim against the complainers is a built upon a strawman. The only people who were making a big deal of it were those defending Coke's leadership and making personal attacks against the complainers. In other words, the race-baiters; the real racists (look at the ones who despise black conservatives and black Republicans); the "blame America first" types; the illegal immigrant sympathizers (the ones who welcome illegals but then bitch about higher costs, overpopulation, and depressed earnings); and the fake historians (the ones who go on and on about the ethnic Native Americans while forgetting how they waged wars against each other constantly or the atrocities committed by Mexican settlers) were the real troublemakers. I've seen plenty of them on Facebook.
By the way, "white pride" just means dispelling "white guilt" and embracing a culture that traces back to European origin. It's no more racist or worse than "black pride" or "Hispanic pride." Just throwing that out there.
Poor judgment is what those who were outraged about the ad were quite plainly and clearly displaying, for many different reasons I will point out below. Also, most of the complaints were never intended to be big deals. The vast majority of the people who complained about the Coke ad, including myself, are more concerned with US national debt, inflation, underemployment, unemployment, and defending what's left of our constitutionally-protected individual liberties. Your claim against the complainers is a built upon a strawman. The only people who were making a big deal of it were those defending Coke's leadership and making personal attacks against the complainers. In other words, the race-baiters; the real racists (look at the ones who despise black conservatives and black Republicans); the "blame America first" types; the illegal immigrant sympathizers (the ones who welcome illegals but then bitch about higher costs, overpopulation, and depressed earnings); and the fake historians (the ones who go on and on about the ethnic Native Americans while forgetting how they waged wars against each other constantly or the atrocities committed by Mexican settlers) were the real troublemakers. I've seen plenty of them on Facebook.
By the way, "white pride" just means dispelling "white guilt" and embracing a culture that traces back to European origin. It's no more racist or worse than "black pride" or "Hispanic pride." Just throwing that out there.
The ad aired during the superbowl, almost immediately Twitter exploded with racist cacophony, you can see a sample here: Bigots
Reading over the tweets, I doubt very many of them are concerned about the debt, employment or inflation beyond what they hear on Fox News. Even fewer of them have actually read the constitution, much less understand it, who wrote it or where parts of it originated. This much is gleaned from their benighted (and I am being generous here) statements broadcast for the world to see, very publicly and proudly and most assuredly in the mindset they are in the majority. That many of them have turned on Twitter location services has made for some interesting maps of the country in the past.
You began your missive, in the second sentence of the first paragraph after your statement of clarity, defining why your statements should not be taken as bigoted. I am defining for you why not only your statements, but all the others, in fact do come across as bigoted. The people who came out against the ad were exposing an extreme amount of ignorance about their own country and the people in it, many were not even attacks against Coke, but pointed barbs at the very American actors in the commercial. These people are like fish baiting their own hooks, it was curious to watch so much idiocy occur at once, and also so sad.
I suggest you move your education a little further beyond Facebook. As an Archaeologist, I can tell you about the relations between pre-European contact Indigenous American groups. Hint: they were just as human as anyone else and acted against and for one another in the manners any other group of humans have around the world. My Historian friends could tell you far more about colonization of the Americas and relations between the many indigenous and colonial groups. Hint: Pretty much the same as above. What you have heard from "fake historians" is little more than opinionated sound bites from people with specific agendas.
Pride is one's ethnic group is as outmoded as extreme nationalism is in solidifying a group of people. They are simply artifacts of history which are dug up for political or social gain generally by racists or nationalists. Be proud of the accomplishments of one's country or world for the good things that it has done. Or proud in one's self because of what was accomplished for the public good. Being proud because one can trace their ancestry back to a plot of land or culture is nothing short of foolishness; studying the historical context or prehistoric record is a far more rewarding experience and tells a lot more about humanity.
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infinite9: You apparently have really poor judgment. There is nothing hateful about saying that an American patriotic song should be done in English. There is nothing bible-toting about it especially since it's a non-religious (secular) statement and I'm not just talking about my own statement.
Also, most of the complaints were never intended to be big deals. The vast majority of the people who complained about the Coke ad, including myself, are more concerned with US national debt, inflation, underemployment, unemployment, and defending what's left of our constitutionally-protected individual liberties. Your claim against the complainers is a built upon a strawman. The only people who were making a big deal of it were those defending Coke's leadership and making personal attacks against the complainers. In other words, the race-baiters; the real racists (look at the ones who despise black conservatives and black Republicans); the "blame America first" types; the illegal immigrant sympathizers (the ones who welcome illegals but then bitch about higher costs, overpopulation, and depressed earnings); and the fake historians (the ones who go on and on about the ethnic Native Americans while forgetting how they waged wars against each other constantly or the atrocities committed by Mexican settlers) were the real troublemakers. I've seen plenty of them on Facebook.
By the way, "white pride" just means dispelling "white guilt" and embracing a culture that traces back to European origin. It's no more racist or worse than "black pride" or "Hispanic pride." Just throwing that out there.
swaimiac: Poor judgment is what those who were outraged about the ad were quite plainly and clearly displaying, for many different reasons I will point out below. Also, most of the complaints were never intended to be big deals. The vast majority of the people who complained about the Coke ad, including myself, are more concerned with US national debt, inflation, underemployment, unemployment, and defending what's left of our constitutionally-protected individual liberties. Your claim against the complainers is a built upon a strawman. The only people who were making a big deal of it were those defending Coke's leadership and making personal attacks against the complainers. In other words, the race-baiters; the real racists (look at the ones who despise black conservatives and black Republicans); the "blame America first" types; the illegal immigrant sympathizers (the ones who welcome illegals but then bitch about higher costs, overpopulation, and depressed earnings); and the fake historians (the ones who go on and on about the ethnic Native Americans while forgetting how they waged wars against each other constantly or the atrocities committed by Mexican settlers) were the real troublemakers. I've seen plenty of them on Facebook.
By the way, "white pride" just means dispelling "white guilt" and embracing a culture that traces back to European origin. It's no more racist or worse than "black pride" or "Hispanic pride." Just throwing that out there.
The ad aired during the superbowl, almost immediately Twitter exploded with racist cacophony, you can see a sample here: Bigots
Reading over the tweets, I doubt very many of them are concerned about the debt, employment or inflation beyond what they hear on Fox News. Even fewer of them have actually read the constitution, much less understand it, who wrote it or where parts of it originated. This much is gleaned from their benighted (and I am being generous here) statements broadcast for the world to see, very publicly and proudly and most assuredly in the mindset they are in the majority. That many of them have turned on Twitter location services has made for some interesting maps of the country in the past.
You began your missive, in the second sentence of the first paragraph after your statement of clarity, defining why your statements should not be taken as bigoted. I am defining for you why not only your statements, but all the others, in fact do come across as bigoted. The people who came out against the ad were exposing an extreme amount of ignorance about their own country and the people in it, many were not even attacks against Coke, but pointed barbs at the very American actors in the commercial. These people are like fish baiting their own hooks, it was curious to watch so much idiocy occur at once, and also so sad.
I suggest you move your education a little further beyond Facebook. As an Archaeologist, I can tell you about the relations between pre-European contact Indigenous American groups. Hint: they were just as human as anyone else and acted against and for one another in the manners any other group of humans have around the world. My Historian friends could tell you far more about colonization of the Americas and relations between the many indigenous and colonial groups. Hint: Pretty much the same as above. What you have heard from "fake historians" is little more than opinionated sound bites from people with specific agendas.
Pride is one's ethnic group is as outmoded as extreme nationalism is in solidifying a group of people. They are simply artifacts of history which are dug up for political or social gain generally by racists or nationalists. Be proud of the accomplishments of one's country or world for the good things that it has done. Or proud in one's self because of what was accomplished for the public good. Being proud because one can trace their ancestry back to a plot of land or culture is nothing short of foolishness; studying the historical context or prehistoric record is a far more rewarding experience and tells a lot more about humanity.
If you think a handful of remarks represents everyone who did not appreciate that ad or an American patriotic song being sung in various languages, then you are thinking as poorly as Coke's advertising department, some of the posters you mentioned, and the multicultural zealots who I was referring to in my previous statement.
By the way, pride in one's culture is respecting one's culture and origin. There is nothing wrong with it. I am quite proud of my nationalistic roots as an American and my Germanic ancestral roots.
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Nice little comeback. Does that make you feel better about yourself when you're not hiding behind your academic history to cover your own ignorance?
Face it. We who support a common language for the Untied States are way wiser and smarter than you can ever predict.
Nice attempt at trying to cover up your own ignorance and sympathy for the multicultural zealots.
Face it. We who support a common language for the Untied States are way wiser and smarter than you can ever predict.
Nice attempt at trying to cover up your own ignorance and sympathy for the multicultural zealots.