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lukaszthegreat: did i miss anything? I just don't see how even remotely what valve collects can be compared to what FB collects. Especially since I have greater control over what steam collects than FB...
You missed the part where you gave that information out freely and are now having a cry like they somehow sifted through your personal belongings and stole it.
Isn't Sony or someone else developing similar tech that also looks promising?
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lukaszthegreat: did i miss anything? I just don't see how even remotely what valve collects can be compared to what FB collects. Especially since I have greater control over what steam collects than FB...
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Cormoran: You missed the part where you gave that information out freely and are now having a cry like they somehow sifted through your personal belongings and stole it.
what information? how does steam contain almost as much information on me as FB? which I barely use? which was not provided with my info by me?
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Dzsono: Isn't Sony or someone else developing similar tech that also looks promising?
yes. Morpheus.

and im more excited for them than OR at the moment...
Post edited March 26, 2014 by lukaszthegreat
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JustSayin: There is a huge difference between Facebook and Valve/Sony. Sony and Valve are not trying to get as much information from people as they can. If they are, they do a better job of hiding that fact than Facebook.
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Cormoran: They do a better job at hiding it.

Their main business is to sell you games, for that to be done optimally they need your information. Facebooks main business is social networking, so of course it's more difficult to hide the fact that they have access to a lot of personal information.

However my Steam page, particularly recently with the revamp, contains almost as much info on it as my Facebook page, and I use it to communicate far more than I do Facebook.

The same can go for Sony and Microsoft (which I notice you neglected to mention, I'm guessing because you agree that they're equally bad). Getting you to think otherwise is the result of good marketing and nothing else. Sony, who currently has a 'for the gamer' image has only just taken away it's HDCP restriction on it's PS4, something they should never have had in the first place. Valve, well, just take a look around these very forums if you want to see what people think of their shenanigans.
I left off Microsoft because they are as bad as Facebook with data mining. That leads me to believe you think using some form of DRM is the same as trying to get all of your data and sell it. It isn't. Sony and Valve jsut hurt the customer. Microsoft and Facebook wants your data to push ads on you. Also, my Steam page has nowhere near the information Facebook wants.
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Cormoran: You missed the part where you gave that information out freely and are now having a cry like they somehow sifted through your personal belongings and stole it.
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lukaszthegreat: what information? how does steam contain almost as much information on me as FB? which I barely use? which was not provided with my info by me?
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Dzsono: Isn't Sony or someone else developing similar tech that also looks promising?
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lukaszthegreat: yes. Morpheus.

and im more excited for them than OR at the moment...
Reread my post, I said MY steam page and MY facebook page. you have chosen to give facebook a bunch of information that you didn't give steam, that's your choice, don't cry about it. You can put just as much info on steam, which I have done.

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JustSayin: I left off Microsoft because they are as bad as Facebook with data mining. That leads me to believe you think using some form of DRM is the same as trying to get all of your data and sell it. It isn't. Sony and Valve jsut hurt the customer. Microsoft and Facebook wants your data to push ads on you. Also, my Steam page has nowhere near the information Facebook wants.
I was pointing out their shoddy business practices and how their marketing has managed to have people consider it to be okay, hence why I said they are better at hiding it.

these are all big companies, they aren't in it for you, they dont have the warm fuzzies for you, they're there to make profit, lots of profit. Neither is any better than the other.
Post edited March 26, 2014 by Cormoran
Man, I feel for the Kickstarter backers, 9,000 people back him with 2.4 million to start his VR company, 15 months later he sells said company for 2 billion. I know KS isn't an "investment" but holy shit.
Post edited March 26, 2014 by Crosmando
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Cormoran: Reread my post, I said MY steam page and MY facebook page. you have chosen to give facebook a bunch of information that you didn't give steam, that's your choice, don't cry about it. You can put just as much info on steam, which I have done.
im not crying about anything mate.

I believe there is some issue in communication here and not sure whose fault is that:

Justsayin is sayin that there is a big difference between FB and Valve/Sony
then you say that valve is just better at hiding it.... which seems like you are disagreeing with Justsayin...

which i called a bollocks statement because FB is more intrusive in general. Which makes it worse than valve. which makes your statement about vlave not being better an incorrect one.

i pointed out list of information FB collects on me. Just because i shared it willingly is not important. I can go to deviantart and post my pictures, my cc info, my account details etc but it won't mean that deviantart collects more info on me than FB....

so what i share or not is not the issue here but what the company tries to collect on you.

so yes.
Valve is better choice than FB as FB is more intrusive, demands more info from you, has wider goals than Valve has, has less respect for your privacy and many more reasons.
Post edited March 26, 2014 by lukaszthegreat
Wait... wasn't Oculus VR a kickstarter project??

LOL @ all the idiots who donated to the project and were used to be stepping stones for someone else to become billionaires by selling out to Facebook.
Post edited March 26, 2014 by ktchong
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Cormoran: Reread my post, I said MY steam page and MY facebook page. you have chosen to give facebook a bunch of information that you didn't give steam, that's your choice, don't cry about it. You can put just as much info on steam, which I have done.
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lukaszthegreat: im not crying about anything mate.

I believe there is some issue in communication here and not sure whose fault is that:

Justsayin is sayin that there is a big difference between FB and Valve/Sony
then you say that valve is just better at hiding it.... which seems like you are disagreeing with Justsayin...

which i called a bollocks statement because FB is more intrusive in general. Which makes it worse than valve. which makes your statement about vlave not being better an incorrect one.

i pointed out list of information FB collects on me. Just because i shared it willingly is not important. I can go to deviantart and post my pictures, my cc info, my account details etc but it won't mean that deviantart collects more info on me than FB....

so what i share or not is not the issue here but what the company tries to collect on you.

so yes.
Valve is better choice than FB as FB is more intrusive, demands more info from you, has wider goals than Valve has, has less respect for your privacy and many more reasons.
We'll have to agree to disagree. IMO You gave your info willingly, that makes it your fault if you don't like what it gets used for, not facebooks. Take some responsibility for your actions.
Also, the other co-founder of Oculus Rift died in a traffic accident last year

*tinfoil hat*
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Cormoran: We'll have to agree to disagree. IMO You gave your info willingly, that makes it your fault if you don't like what it gets used for, not facebooks. Take some responsibility for your actions.
it is not about what we give out. it is what company collects. Valve does not collect as much info as FB. even if you share that info on your steam page valve is not using it.
if you write that you went to pizza hut on george st, sydney on your steam page.... that info is not going to be used by valve in anyway. they don't have the ability to capture that info anyway from your steam account.
FB tough? yes. it will.
what valve collects is not even remotely similar to what fb collects on you...
Post edited March 26, 2014 by lukaszthegreat
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Crosmando: Man, I feel for the Kickstarter backers, 9,000 people back him with 2.4 million to start his VR company, 15 months later he sells said company for 2 billion. I know KS isn't an "investment" but holy shit.
Invisible backers now, that's all they are.
I can see it now, Facebook in virtual 3D. Personally, after seeing "The Social Network" I hope whatever he has planned fails miserably.
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oldschool: I can see it now, Facebook in virtual 3D. Personally, after seeing "The Social Network" I hope whatever he has planned fails miserably.
Now, you can not only follow your friends, you can watch their every move!
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Crosmando: Man, I feel for the Kickstarter backers, 9,000 people back him with 2.4 million to start his VR company, 15 months later he sells said company for 2 billion. I know KS isn't an "investment" but holy shit.
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scampywiak: Invisible backers now, that's all they are.
I almost swear I could the inventor woo-hooing from here. What a fucking sell-out.