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Sogi-Ya: I usually just read threads, but I thought your views were worth replying to. You don't have to like the show, but please try to be fair. Consider the following.
Regarding Badger: Would you please inform me which ethnic groups are permitted to have mobsters? A mobster has to come from somewhere.
Regarding Jubal Early (who is named after a Confederate military leader--so much for glorifying the South): must black actors only be cast in special "black" roles, or can they play anyone--good, bad, or indifferent? Firefly has both white and black actors in both good and bad roles--Shepherd Book and Jubal Early, Atherton Wing and Malcolm Reynolds (well, he's all right), and so forth.
Regarding the Reavers: I grant that they are an obvious stand-in for the "indian savages" of many old Westerns. But look at what they actually are. They are people driven insane by government experiments. This allows them to serve the powerful narrative role of the scary unknown in the wild, while providing a legitimate basis for showing them behaving in inhuman ways. Just because the show copied a narrative role that was racist in its origins doesn't mean all possible beings placed in that role are racist stereotypes.
Regarding Niska and Jewish stereotypes: you may have a point. I didn't think of him as Jewish, but I also have been fortunate enough to mostly avoid encountering negative Jewish stereotypes in my life.
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bvguthrie: Sogi-Ya: I usually just read threads, but I thought your views were worth replying to. You don't have to like the show, but please try to be fair. Consider the following.
Regarding Badger: Would you please inform me which ethnic groups are permitted to have mobsters? A mobster has to come from somewhere.
Regarding Jubal Early (who is named after a Confederate military leader--so much for glorifying the South): must black actors only be cast in special "black" roles, or can they play anyone--good, bad, or indifferent? Firefly has both white and black actors in both good and bad roles--Shepherd Book and Jubal Early, Atherton Wing and Malcolm Reynolds (well, he's all right), and so forth.
Regarding the Reavers: I grant that they are an obvious stand-in for the "indian savages" of many old Westerns. But look at what they actually are. They are people driven insane by government experiments. This allows them to serve the powerful narrative role of the scary unknown in the wild, while providing a legitimate basis for showing them behaving in inhuman ways. Just because the show copied a narrative role that was racist in its origins doesn't mean all possible beings placed in that role are racist stereotypes.
Regarding Niska and Jewish stereotypes: you may have a point. I didn't think of him as Jewish, but I also have been fortunate enough to mostly avoid encountering negative Jewish stereotypes in my life.
Might want to have some mild spoiler tags in there, just in case.

Regardless, I agree with everything you said.
Post edited October 23, 2012 by jefequeso
the point is that every bit of it had no real lore backing it up to justify the "environmental" excuse that gets spit out wherever I bring these elements up. most every other Sci-Fi space series incorporates racism, but they always make damned sure there is a lore precedence for it before they cast a minority actor for an objectionable role.

yes, yes; I hear you loud and clear that this is a "space" western ... well fuck that horse shit, the only reason this show didn't have the NAACP (along with every other civil rights activist group) burning effigies of Wheadon is because they don't pay attention to Science Fiction like they do the other types of fiction.

go ahead, try to make Firefly as an actual Western with every Science Fiction element swapped out for a western equivalent (space ship -> steam boat) while leaving everything else exactly the same and, what kind of nuclear shit storm erupts.
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anjohl: Agreed. There is enough Star Trek out there for everyone. I don't know why people waste their time with shows that weren't even good enough to last on the air for 4 episodes.
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jefequeso: I'm not agreeing with you. I'm pointing out how ridiculous your statement is.
Actually, you are, you just don't realize it yet.