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If I were a developer, especially an indie developer, I would be delighted if my creation were the most pirated game for a given week on The Pirate Bay. Why? Because it's an amazing form of advertising and it does generate sales. I don't condone pirating, but it isn't going to go away, so make the most of it, I say.
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Dzsono: it's an amazing form of advertising and it does generate sales.
Correct.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2012/jan/30/angry-birds-music-midem

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6699/125/
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Azrael360: They're (sic video games) a privilege, not a necessity.
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orcishgamer: Culture and gaming appear to be psychologically necessary for our well being. As soon as you are in no danger of starving to death you need stimulation and we've used gaming and other forms forms of culture for this for 10s of thousands of years. The bit of common wisdom you are sharing and that I've quoted has been shown to be incorrect by vast bodies of anthropological, sociological, and psychological study and work.
That is true, but there's a metric crap load of high quality free games out there these days. I've just been playing Tux Kart lately, and it's well designed and polished. Perhaps not the best of the genre, but it holds up well. Same goes for Super Tux, high quality game, completely free.

RPGs can be a bit tougher, at least for the comprehensive ones, but there are still free ones around that are quite good.
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orcishgamer: Culture and gaming appear to be psychologically necessary for our well being. As soon as you are in no danger of starving to death you need stimulation and we've used gaming and other forms forms of culture for this for 10s of thousands of years. The bit of common wisdom you are sharing and that I've quoted has been shown to be incorrect by vast bodies of anthropological, sociological, and psychological study and work.
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hedwards: That is true, but there's a metric crap load of high quality free games out there these days. I've just been playing Tux Kart lately, and it's well designed and polished. Perhaps not the best of the genre, but it holds up well. Same goes for Super Tux, high quality game, completely free.

RPGs can be a bit tougher, at least for the comprehensive ones, but there are still free ones around that are quite good.
What you say is true, though there is value in a shared cultural experience, it's actually a terribly interesting discussion to me (and sometimes I fear, only me). In this case, however, I was just using it to illustrate a false, if extremely common, premise that comes up in these discussions. i.e. the argument "you don't need games" is very probably false in most of the ways that matter to us as a civilization.

The best way to make sure that everyone can engage in culture and shared experience is a whole other road, something that's worth discussing at length, but it'd probably derail this thread completely:)
Post edited November 27, 2012 by orcishgamer
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Dzsono: If I were a developer, especially an indie developer, I would be delighted if my creation were the most pirated game for a given week on The Pirate Bay. Why? Because it's an amazing form of advertising and it does generate sales. I don't condone pirating, but it isn't going to go away, so make the most of it, I say.
I've always said that if I saw people pirating my game, I'd be honored. I've had to resort to TPB to find some obscure games that aren't even on eBay, and apparently they were so obscure that they have a maximum of 1 torrent with like 0 seeders.
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wpegg: You are a brave man, prepare for flaming...
When I read this, I was thinking of the part in Mortal Kombat with the main bad guy saying "it has begun!!!".
Pirating a GoG game?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA...wait, are you serious?
What a hilarious little thread for dirty old me.

Let's forget the debatable or in my humble opinion rather silly piracy issue these days.

Just bear with me for a second.

So someone admits he almost committed crime and expects to gets some scolding for that. Absolution for sins whatever religious or not.

Talking about moral values and stuff - doing what is right and what is wrong etc. Blah blah blah.

Now instead of expected scolding he gets rewarded with the corpus delicti (the body of crime)
- not once - mind you - but twice.

This is absolutely fantastic.

Imagine this:

Husband 1: "I almost cheated my wife, I feel very bad about that!"
Husband 2: "Oh, please don't. Please f*ck mine."
Husband 3: "Yes, go ahead and please do bang my wife as well..."

I probably get bad rep for this but I'm a bad person so I not only deserve it, I'm going to enjoy it. So let's make a far less political correct and more morbid example:

MSPedobear: "I almost wanted to rape that girl. Now my conscience kicks in and I feel lousy."
Moronic Father: "You did the right thing, here I want you to meet my underage teen daughter, she probably asks for it..."

Since I long for the day where our society collapses and our moral systems fail and we all delve further into chaos and anarchy I am deliriously excited to witness these signs in this thread already.

But for those who have some moral values and who believe in philosophical term of justice this must be so horrible. People just rewarded someone for not committing a crime. Twice...
What kind of precedent have you created here?
Post edited November 27, 2012 by Khadgar42
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langurmonkey: Mortal Kombat
Excellent.
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Khadgar42: People just rewarded someone for not committing a crime. Twice...
What kind of precedent have you created here?
That you shouldn't commit crimes..?
Speaking about this i admit i did illegally download Pro Pinball BRUSA GOG version 2 days before i bought the game here last year. So yeah, i was introduced to GOG from a pirate site (unintentionally).
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Khadgar42: But for those who have some moral values and who believe in philosophical term of justice this must be so horrible. People just rewarded someone for not committing a crime. Twice...
What kind of precedent have you created here?
1. Thinking of doing something is not a crime. Yet. I think. So thinking of pirating a game is not a crime.
2. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it is immoral, which you seem to be implying.
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Khadgar42: But for those who have some moral values and who believe in philosophical term of justice this must be so horrible. People just rewarded someone for not committing a crime. Twice...
What kind of precedent have you created here?
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Immoli: 1. Thinking of doing something is not a crime. Yet. I think. So thinking of pirating a game is not a crime.
2. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it is immoral, which you seem to be implying.
Pretty soon thought crimes will be actual thought crimes.

1984 coming at you!
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Immoli: [snip]
1. Thinking of doing something is not a crime. Yet. I think. So thinking of pirating a game is not a crime.
2. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it is immoral, which you seem to be implying.
Good point.

But I never stated that a crime has taken place here. So N°1 is irrelevant for my post methinks. (No offence)

For point N°2 you got me there for a second. But then I looked up the definition of immoral in Merrian Webster's and found this:
"im·mor·al adjective \(ˌ)i(m)-ˈmȯr-əl, -ˈmär-\
: not moral; broadly : conflicting with generally or traditionally held moral principles"
Please feel free to come out with a better definition.

So yes, you are correct. I do imply that criminal means immoral. If you have a somewhat democratic government with decent constitution and laws, that is.
Post edited November 28, 2012 by Khadgar42
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Immoli: 1. Thinking of doing something is not a crime. Yet. I think. So thinking of pirating a game is not a crime.
2. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it is immoral, which you seem to be implying.
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mondo84: Pretty soon thought crimes will be actual thought crimes.

1984 coming at you!
Jequeso's Law is proven once again. :P