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Kristian: I have never claimed that EVERYONE has the required negotiation power to pull it off, but that some fence sitters/bigger developers that prior to this deal would have been persuadable are no longer persuadable. Even 1 game that would otherwise have come to Linux is too high of a price for this bundle existing as a Humble Bundle.

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Gyrocoptor, you are taking the content of this bundle as a given. An alternative would have been for Humble Bundle and THQ to agree on releasing a different set of games DRM free and cross-platform.
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Profanity: Fence sitter/Bigger developers WOULD have been persuadable and now they aren't. I'm just curious, where are you pulling this crap out of? You really seem sure of it.

Right, so THQ just dropping a load of their games DRM-Free plus adding cross-platforms even if they weren't in such a shithole as they are now, so that's an alternative, yet you dismiss alternatives less crazy than this.
Your position requires that there is NO company out there that was persuadable but isn't any longer. Why are you so certain that there is NO such company. That is what is required for this to be any kind of good thing. Never mind trust issues and the new found meaninglessnes for the Humble Bundle brand. It used to be a guarantor of DRM free, cross-platform gaming now it is not. The Humble Bundle name/logo can no longer be used as a seal of approval on games. It means nothing. Now it could be any game for any platform with any kind of DRM. There used to be limits and exclusivity. Now there isn't, they have entered the same market as Green Man Gaming. There is literally nothing distinctive about the brand any more.

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htown1980: Can someone please bookmark this thread so they can give Kristian a massive I TOLD YOU SO when the next multi platform DRM free indie bundle comes out?

I can't be bothered with people like this.

(and for the record, i too am disappointed that this particular bundle isn't multi platform and drm free, but i have a huge backlog and a less crazy view of the universe so I realise it isn't a big deal)
Pay attention to what I am saying, that wouldn't be an "I told you so" moment for you guys at all. I have NEVER EVER said there won't be any more such bundles.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by Kristian
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Kristian: Pay attention to what I am saying, that wouldn't be an "I told you so" moment for you guys at all. I have NEVER EVER said there won't be any more such bundles.
So you're right and this will seriously hurt DRM-free and multiplatform movement, unless it doesn't, in which case you're also right. I like your unwavering position of being right.
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Kristian: Pay attention to what I am saying, that wouldn't be an "I told you so" moment for you guys at all. I have NEVER EVER said there won't be any more such bundles.
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Fenixp: So you're right and this will seriously hurt DRM-free and multiplatform movement, unless it doesn't, in which case you're also right. I like your unwavering position of being right.
No, if it didn't hurt it in the long run I would be wrong. Simple as that. But I nowhere said the regular bundles would stop. Only that this would hurt Humble Bundle's ability to get developers otherwise skeptical about DRM and cross-platform releases and that it will in turn hurt GOG's chances with the major players.
Some other big name publishers might decide to deal with humble, and if the games are good enough humble will not insist on DRM Free for them either.

I don't see any numbered humble indie bundles showing up without the DRM Free option though. Ever.
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Neobr10: Blaming Humble Bundle for the censorship in Germany is kind of stupid.
This.

This is ALL on Steam and whatever the hell that censorship agency in Germany is called.
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kalirion: Some other big name publishers might decide to deal with humble, and if the games are good enough humble will not insist on DRM Free for them either.

I don't see any numbered humble indie bundles showing up without the DRM Free option though. Ever.
"Some other big name publishers might decide to deal with humble, and if the games are good enough humble will not insist on DRM Free for them either. "

and some of those may eventually have caved. Now they wont that is the probem. GOG has shown that getting major publishers to go DRM free on some games IS possible. But Humble Bundle has now hurt that possibilty.
That's a pretty sweet overreaction you've got there, is all I can really say anymore, without getting deeper into answering speculations with speculations just to get more speculations in return.

As much as I like circles, I'd rather not start running in one. bitches never end
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htown1980: Can someone please bookmark this thread so they can give Kristian a massive I TOLD YOU SO when the next multi platform DRM free indie bundle comes out?

I can't be bothered with people like this.

(and for the record, i too am disappointed that this particular bundle isn't multi platform and drm free, but i have a huge backlog and a less crazy view of the universe so I realise it isn't a big deal)
With predictions like this he'll probably take the place of Roman 5 here on the forums.
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htown1980: Can someone please bookmark this thread so they can give Kristian a massive I TOLD YOU SO when the next multi platform DRM free indie bundle comes out?

I can't be bothered with people like this.

(and for the record, i too am disappointed that this particular bundle isn't multi platform and drm free, but i have a huge backlog and a less crazy view of the universe so I realise it isn't a big deal)
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Neobr10: With predictions like this he'll probably take the place of Roman 5 here on the forums.
Predictions like what?
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Profanity: As much as I like circles, I'd rather not start running in one.
Iunno, I hear it's a good way to lose weight and improve your physical condition.
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Kristian: more words
What if the next 5 indie bundles are all DRM free?

Will that be an I told you so moment?
I am torn, I often support bundles even if they only have Steam keys, but HIB was always special, it always had multiplatform, even freeing great games, like Braid and Limbo, from Steam and Windows platform restriction. They used to say in their advertising not, "This bundle is multiplatform AND DRM free" instead saying, "As always this bundle is multiplatform and DRM free."

They are supporting one charity I like (Childs Play, fuck the Red Cross, personal, you don't have to hate them), there's nothing wrong with providing THQs games in a bundle, etc.

I own all these games... multiple copies of most of them, I'd basically be donating to charity and for soundtracks. I think THQ has made shitty decisions and they're in trouble, still, even though they've fucked me over a bit more than I thought was "okay" recently, I don't want them to evaporate.

So I originally thought, "I'll just give it all to Child's Play and there ya go."

I have never stiffed the HIB guys, ever, I love what they do. But I want to say to them somehow that I am conflicted about this one, because it's them, because of how they work. I'm aware of their statements as to their reasons and they are even good reasons. I'm just not sure I can give a whole hearted "hurrah" at this point.

So, I'd love to support HIB and THQ in this, what they're doing is not by any means "bad" (at least by any reasonable definition), but at the same time I want to say something about this bundle and say it with my donation.

So right now all of it will go to Child's Play, if someone could give me a well reasoned (not ranting) reason to do otherwise, I'd actually like to hear it.
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Kristian: Why would the devs that are on the fence with regard to cross-platform and DRM free gaming not demand to be treated equally with THQ? Also your arguments concedes that the Humble Bundle has now made it impossible to ever get a AAA dev or publisher to agree to a cross-platform, DRM free release. Something they may well have achieved otherwise.
I could actually see it make it harder to convince devs that have done really well with games like Braid, Bastion, and Limbo (just examples, not saying these devs are bad apples in any way, just examples of the level of success I'm speaking of) to do the multiplatform work and rip out all the Steam DRM hooks on the PC version. If they're kind of in the middle of the road success-wise they might simply opt to not be part of any DRM free bundles and wait and see if they can get in on a DRM bundle.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by orcishgamer
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Kristian: more words
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htown1980: What if the next 5 indie bundles are all DRM free?

Will that be an I told you so moment?
No, he's not saying that there won't be more DRM free bundles. He's saying that developers on the edge won't be able to be convinced any longer. I don't personally agree with him, but many of you guys are arguing against things he never said.
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htown1980: What if the next 5 indie bundles are all DRM free?

Will that be an I told you so moment?
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thebum06: No, he's not saying that there won't be more DRM free bundles. He's saying that developers on the edge won't be able to be convinced any longer. I don't personally agree with him, but many of you guys are arguing against things he never said.
Agreed.
As mentioned above the bundle is a good one but the non drm free bothers me. I use it like voting. Charity wins you get nothing. If you want money do it right or else you are just a bargain bin and I pay as little as possible, this time I paid more but again all to charity.