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I still can't believe you guys let Rod live through day 3! @#^@#^@@
I still can't believe how many times I had to lie to get you to lynch me! F#^@%*!
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Typhoon45: I still can't believe how many times I had to lie to get you to lynch me! F#^@%*!
I just thought you were a meanie. :(
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Typhoon45: I still can't believe how many times I had to lie to get you to lynch me! F#^@%*!
I should have just let them lynch you, rather than try to defend you!
The only reason I killed Quad, rather than investigate Orry is that I didn't think I would be able to survive 2 days of voting!
So that worked out really well!!
Grrrr!!!
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Typhoon45: I still can't believe how many times I had to lie to get you to lynch me! F#^@%*!
I should have been more selfish and not put that claim in to get you lynched as I knew you were a jester after that deputy claim, It was so obvious that you wanted us to get you killed. With the whole jester stuff from day 1 thought that people would have seen it coming and avoided it.

The I forgot to lodge a kill on night 1 couple with a few tidbits from day 2, When it got to lylo you just jumped in with that beforehand confirmed it. The way you acted on night 1 I should have just put the kill in myself.

I was hoping rod would investigate me and twist this flavor of mine to look like I was being commanded as it can easily be interpreted as that

"The March Hare points, you hit. Your life is simpler and more enjoyable than it ever was, and you hope it will remain that way forever"

Being an idiot I had a feeling I would felt like I would have had instructions and had a feeling they would appear on my death.

With LYLO I was confident he could just get orry lynched and kill one of the others to win the game, he played well but maybe over-talked about nmillar being what got him killed.

Truth be told I also panicked when Rod claimed cop after jess's death I mean would a town really have 2 cops out of 9 town players? Especially as Jesskitten was a default cop?, I saw something in one of her posts that pointed to me, something with the voting chain I think and/or that occams razor quote.

I saw that I had a jester and a cop thats blatently mafia and had a crappy work shedule coming out so I made the claim I did

We knew from our actions and who claimed who was pretty much who so the last 4 was purely deliberate.

I'll take the blame for the loss for helping ty(who didnt do us any favors) and leaving rod high and dry as I felt I had to smokescreen him to keep him alive.
Yeah my macho cop was unprotectable grr. Thanks for the try though Quad :) And why were you Mafia trying to kill me day 1 as well as 2?? Meanies. Don't worry though, Typhoon also failed to send in a night action for us Mafia back in GM3. :P

@Vitek, and re: the breadcrumb, I figured it would get me caught, but as it was my first cop one I wanted to do one of the more common bresadcrumbs. Usually when an experienced player flips cop after D2 (ie they probably got at least one investigation off and got to talk about it), you go back and look for breadcrumbs in their posts, especially in their first few posts of D2. This was my breadcrumb, which may not be formatted well:

My first post of Day 2 (#249):
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jesskitten: Very interesting selection. I wonder why they picked him. Of all the townies to pick from, wasn't keeping him alive a huge case of wifom? Looking back, one wonders if maybe they latched onto fexen's idea that he was fake-claiming miller to hide a stronger power role or something. A jester wouldn't even have had a threat to them - it's not like they lose if he was a jester and gets lynched/wins, so if that was the main reason they picked him it would be rather selfish, so i doubt it. That and counterproductive for them, because as a claimed miller, town would have had to lynch him sooner or later. Or else lylo would be incredibly wifomy (and mafia of course would have to get to, and win, some form of lylo to win the game). Robb being killed makes no sense to me, unless they thought he was hiding a pr, because even his vote at the end of the day was on fexen (where mine would have been too if i were around - sorry fexen! :X)

I think my vote is going back where it was at the end of the last day, as re-reading it during night doesn't make him look any less scummy to me. So: vote: orryyrro

Strange that two of the three major wagons yesterday are already dead, though. Considering from a metagame sense if orry is scum, mafia just killed all the other competing wagons from near the end of the last day, so naturally he'd get a lot of attention at the start of this day. Unlikely that really means anything as that makes him no less likely (or more likely) to be Mafia, though, except they got rid of his 'buffer' (as well as a big headache for us town!).
Bolded letters -> ViolatorX is Scum

However be aware that breadcrumbs are dangerous for town, due to 2 things:

a) When you're known to do it, Mafia often look for it as well, so it can be dangerous because if it's too easily found, Mafia can detect a cop/doc and killed it. Apparently this was not the case here though, but still.. Sometimes breadcrumbs are just there so you can "prove" later in lylo that you did do it when you said you did it, but they're not meant to be easily findable.
b) Mafia do it sometimes too to start to set up fakeclaims. For example! Look at the post just before mine by Typhoon (#248):

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Typhoon45: Let's take a look at what happened: Everyone "knew" that Robbeasy was a miller. Then, someone suggested that he may have been a jester. So now, we know that he was telling the truth, and that this jester crap is all a load.

Logically, we have to assume that this will be the same for everyone in the game, not just Robbeasy, who claims. You guys have to see how this is going to tear the town apart! Now that one has gone, (NK'd), can we just drop it once and for all? Can't we assume that the mafia panicked when they heard "jester" and went from there? How would you have reacted if you had heard it?

This is a very obvious outcome to a very illogical problem. All of our work will have been for nothing if we can't band together and avoid this crap happening again. Love they way they went for it, though - maybe we could use this to our advantage? Even if they had a real reason, it still came out this way. Running to an age old idea to avoid a loss. Of all of the things that have been suggested so far, I would agree with nMillar, and say that the Mafia is inexperienced. There isn't really anything else to go on right now. However, this could change at any opportunity, so let's keep an eye out.
Bolded letters -> Lets lynch Taleroth

Note he didn't bother with not putting capital letters in the middle of sentences or whatever too, same idea, slightly different technique. That was an awesome coincidence Typhoon. That + the fact that Taleroth later claimed to kill Robb after being pressed by Typhoon, had convinced me by the end of D2 that Typhoon was a tracker or watcher and caught Tale in action. Although I felt Tale was town anyway. I tried to start a first letter of each post conversation with him but he never picked up on it. :P (I think my next post spelled out "Are you cop too" or something.)
Post edited June 23, 2011 by jesskitten
People.... do that? I'm going to just sit here with my jaw on the floor.
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Typhoon45: LETS LYNCH TALEROTH
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jesskitten: Already answered this bit about the jester reaction in my bottom post too, though that was more 'stream of consciousness' so i wasn't directly addressing this. Robb was really no threat to the mafia even if he was a jester, and a real miller is a fairly nice thing for mafia to have alive, so definitely i don't understand why they picked him. Ergo, maybe they used fexen's theory to power role hunt.

You seem to be defending the mafia's course of actions, though. Or else trying to justify their kill and almost apologise for it. Unless i'm reading between the lines wrongly again.

Can you clarify what you mean by the second paragraph? Of what will be the same for everyone if they claim? Pretty sure mafia knows who all the town (or non-mafia, anyway) are, so what's the difference?

Trying to decide what you mean by dropping 'it' once and for all. Orry had a bunch of speculation on the jester role on the first day, by your theory of the mafia panicking when they heard of it, wouldn't that paint a big suspect on him? Opinions?
Bleurgh! Thanks a lot for bringing this up again. Not exactly my finest moment on Wonderland's Most Wanted, although it did end with the same result.

By the way, I've decided that (if I had picked up on it), I just would have said that I was the Godfather in the hopes someone would put me out of my misery.

Oh yeah - note to town: I was only really trying to get myself lynched on that last day. Until then I was a reasonably efficient member of the Mafia. I just wished everybody hadn't decided to jump ship like that at the very end.

I decided that it was either me winning - or none of us.

'Gratz town.
I saw you started with a V and ended with an X and thought you used the other stuff to point out it was either me or nmillar and thought you used the other posts to indicate I was guility by my style of play :(, I re-read it after I posted and saw you spelt it out :(

Didnt see typhoons atall I was going to lynch tale anyway

Why did we want to kill you? you do things like that ^^^^^^^^^ :D
Post edited June 23, 2011 by ViolatorX
Clearly the mafia wanted to lynch me because I'm a terrible threat to them.
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Taleroth: Clearly the mafia wanted to lynch me because I'm a terrible threat to them.
I didn't even see the message!
Perhaps that's why I didn't vote for you?!!?
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Taleroth: Clearly the mafia wanted to lynch me because I'm a terrible threat to them.
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Rodzaju: I didn't even see the message!
Perhaps that's why I didn't vote for you?!!?
Also because I was sucking up to you until I outed you.
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ViolatorX: I saw you started with a V and ended with an X and thought you used the other stuff to point out it was either me or nmillar and thought you used the other posts to indicate I was guility by my style of play :(, I re-read it after I posted and saw you spelt it out :(

Didnt see typhoons atall I was going to lynch tale anyway

Why did we want to kill you? you do things like that ^^^^^^^^^ :D
You wanted to kill her before she started doing that. :P

I'm just thinking - if I hadn't been told that I was unable to protect Jess during Night 1, I probably would have selected her again during Night 2. Imagine how utterly confused I would have been by that stage when she turned out to be unprotectable. :P
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ViolatorX: I saw you started with a V and ended with an X and thought you used the other stuff to point out it was either me or nmillar and thought you used the other posts to indicate I was guility by my style of play :(, I re-read it after I posted and saw you spelt it out :(

Didnt see typhoons atall I was going to lynch tale anyway

Why did we want to kill you? you do things like that ^^^^^^^^^ :D
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QuadrAlien: You wanted to kill her before she started doing that. :P

I'm just thinking - if I hadn't been told that I was unable to protect Jess during Night 1, I probably would have selected her again during Night 2. Imagine how utterly confused I would have been by that stage when she turned out to be unprotectable. :P
Try reading one of her posts at 3am you'll see why :D

Out of all the players she seemed the biggest threat and I hate reading something and then rereading it because it didnt all absorb the first time. Plus post 133 said to me that she WAS the cop. Me questioning the sanity of the cop was rolefishing and wanted to see if anybody picked up on it.
Post edited June 23, 2011 by ViolatorX