So... what are we going to do? At least one of us is lying.

Initially I thought Zchinque's plan looked pretty solid, but a) I'm easily impressed by logic that I have trouble following, and b) as Baron, Primal and Damnation have pointed out, it does involve potentially killing four people in one go (Double-lynch with the bomb, Jefe's compulsive vig, and an NK.) Having had some time to think about it, I take back my attack on Baron about win vs information.

Things I'm thinking about:

A way to nullify Jefe's kill, if we needed to, would be to agree that he targets whomever Baz or Baron protects... Or have Baz doc-block him again.

Myself and nmillar can potentially get flavour information for two more people tonight.

SPF... I dunno what to do here. It seems either we should lynch him now and use the hammer vote to take out a suspect (if we can agree on one), or as nmillar suggested keep him alive till the endgame. He's basically invincible to the NK because of the semtex.

Worst case scenario, two people will die in the night.

My reads have gone all screwy... I don't have any strong scummy suspects right now (cos I'm gullible like that).
Leaning Town: Baz, Jefe, SPF
???: Zchinque, Damnation, Baron, nmillar

But if he is both a vengeful bomb and scum, not lynching him can very easily get us into an endgame situation in which town cannot possibly win. And as I've said before, even though I'm now inclined to believe this is a townie/3rd party role rather than a scum one, we can't rule out the possibility.

As others have pointed out, Robbeasy had the 'Hammerer' role; SirPrimalForm as the Vengeful Bomb is therefore a town role - it makes no sense otherwise.

Are you so sure about that you're willing to bet the whole game on it?

(And to be honest, I'm not sure I understand that argument. Why couldn't one mafia have a hammerer and the other a vengeful bomb? Or even one and the same mafia?)

I suppose that's a possibility, but the mafia wiki confirms that it's definitely a town aligned role. We're unlikely to reach that end-game situation in any case, unless the remaining mafia get extremely lucky.

Jefequeso appears to be telling the truth, but his alignment still remains a question. He's probably town aligned too considering his lover was killed by the mafia.

So, the most likely mafia suspect for me is Zchinque, hence my vote.

If that turns out to be wrong, then Red_Baron would probably be next on the list.

After that, I'm pretty sure it'll be game over since I believe everyone else to be town aligned.

@NFY If we both survive the night, I suggest I post my information first.

Aha. Didn't consider that one... In that case it looks like he should be lynched to be on the safe side, and hammered by a vanilla.

@nmillar, sounds good to me. I'm not sure who best to target though... One of yourself, Zchinque or Baron, I think.

I also can't shake the feeling that the remaining mafia might be a redirector. That's the 4th possibility for the no-kill: that the SH guy redirected the G kill onto either Vitek or Jefe. We should probably bear this in mind if something goes funny during the night...

Tip: Don't tell me who you're targeting. I think you should understand why ...

I understand Baz's doubts, so if I must be lynched my vote is for Zchinque as hammerer. Going down this road would mean we'd possibly be down to 4 people tomorrow though.

I am missing the understanding of the short-forms. What does SH and G stand for?

Ah wait, shattered hand and Gambiani of course. But still that would require quite a bit of a luck shot and why redirect to point at those two if they even got lucky enough. I would consider it more likely they redirected the kill to themselves or something. But No, I personally don't really see that happening, yet I agree I don't really see much reason for the lack of a mafia night kill. Of course Twilightbard could have roleblocked, but according to the knowledge we have, he did not.

I am also for Zchinque being the hammer. Last considerations is if Jef should kill someone. I guess that must be and understanding based upon the results from the hammer. Like say, if Zchinque is town then kill whomever.. If he is not and town haven't won ->Kill whomever matches that.

I would be likely to protect nmillar since he would then get the info, unless being protected by Baz would not prevent him from receiving his info (which by the way should be coordinated with NFY for the eventuality that NFY's theory is correct).

Well if Jef doesn't then (s)he'll commit suicide so we'll lose a player either way. Of course, it's up to Baz what he wants to do.

Wait...why should Zchinque be the hammerer? Wouldn't it be better for Damnation to do it, since that'll give us at least a little info about Nmillar?

I'm just finding Zchinque really scummy today.

In that case, If we lynch Primal and Zchinque/Damn, I'd be tempted to suggest we muzzle Jefe for tonight to be on the safe side. Maybe Baz could doc-block him again? I don't think he should suicide because that leaves us with the same problem of two nightkills meaning 4 players alive on D5, meaning potential mafia win.

New plan!

Lynch Primal with Zchinque/Damn hammering (6 alive)
Baz doc-blocks Jefe
Baron tracks remaining vanilla
Frenchie investigates XXX.
Mafia nightkill YYY (5 alive)

nmillar gets file on ZZZ.

Problem is that we need to protect nmillar for this to make sense. If mafia kills him we don't get any new file and he is the most liable info source - of course if your theory is correct it makes for even better info, since you could then test the theory out to see if it fits by cooperating. So yes, I could track someone and get a reliable info, but if we lose nmillar we lose that info, so Zchinque got a good point about me using my protect in that case.

Its simply really - We have already pretty much confirmed nmillar's ability and getting results from this night will mean that he will most likely be able to confirm himself (that is, his ability) that way again.

Zchinque suggested the plan and as such it makes for a better strategy that he hammers, since if he is the remaining mafia that plan can be taken as a smart plan to get a winning chance. And unlike Damnation he is more unknown and a suspect to more people if I count correct.

There is a danger though, that prescribing who Baz should doc-block (hmm, I like that) means that the mafia could very easily kill Baz. I don't think we should make plans that rely on Baz doing a specific thing because what he chooses should remain private in order to make the mafia's decision of who to night kill more difficult.