Yes. I read "I will never understand people who prefer violence over sex" as "I will never understand people who prefer simulated violence over simulated sex." Simulated sex cheapens real sex, in my opinion. It makes it less enjoyable, makes you want it less (there's tons of stats showing porn-addicted men having terrible sex lives).

Simulated violence does not make me, personally, more violent. More often than anything, it can make me excited or sad.

I would love a world where people had lots of sex with their spouses and there was no violence. But as far as story-telling goes, more violence and less sex is more interesting to me.

Human sexuality, of course, goes into stories. Braveheart's violence would mean nothing without the very-human intimacy portrayed with Wallace's wife (they could skip boobies, but it wasn't the end of the world -- they could have skipped bleeding missing legs, but it wasn't the end of the world).

If clarification is needed, let me know what part.

It's likely a cultural difference, though.

Basicly: Sex is great with a spouse. Sex isn't great with the spouse if I'm thinking about some raunchy thing I saw. So I choose not to see raunchy things.

And simulated violence is the best thing ever invented ever and everyone should be violent. (the last part was a joke)

I hope you meant that without irony (I'm sorry my irony detectors are out of order at the moment)

I agree, these double standards are somewhat objectionable.

I like both things in videogames, but if I had to chose between violence+murder and boobies+sex I always would chose the second one, especially in real life.

So, are you saying that playing games that have sexual material can cause one's sexlife to deteriorate? How on earth it can "detract your commitment to your wife"?

I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. Can you... elaborate?

Sure. My view is hardly single. A simple googling of "pornography and its effect on marriage" yields tons of phrases and keywords like "devestating," "pernicious", "destroyed marriage" and "negative." There's one link where lay people argue about pros and cons. The rest is all negative on the first page.

I don't know your married state, so I'll assume you're a teenager. That's not to be offense, I just want to cover all bases (though I'll try to be brief).

When a man and woman get married, they begin a sexual journey together. They are more open with each other than anyone else. In fact, in a healthy marriage, they are completely open.

Most women do not like to admit it, but they are very critical and judgmental about themselves. They see themselves as ugly and unworthy of love. One of a husband's primary tasks is to assure her that she is beautiful and deserving of the best kind of love.

When a woman learns of her husband's viewing erotic material (porn, sexual material in a game or television), many women will feel shame. Their husband would prefer to look at someone else. Their husband would prefer to love someone else and spend their sexual energy with someone else. This makes many women feel unloved and ugly.

So, as a husband, I try to honor my wife by abstaining from things that may sexually excite me. I want the only stimulant to be my wife. That process brings us closer together and maintains a very healthy relationship between us.

I'm by no means perfect. I've seen pretty much all there is to see. And it's taken a long time to unsee those things. I try hard to guard myself from seeing them more.

I still don't get it. Perhaps I'm simple and all, but I just don't see how playing a game that has erotic material can affect in your marriage...

I'm really sorry, I know you tried to explain but I cannot comprehend this at all.

YES ! I want MANHUNT ! And RAPELAY ! And KNIGHTS OF XENTAR !
And PORNTRIS too !

Stopped reading right there.

Just say you don't like porn because of your religious views, I can respect that.

And most cases when a marriage is devastated because of pornography is when one side is a porn addict or when one party can't stand the other is watching porn.

I'd like some anime/doujin inspired AO games on here, like xchange, a kiss from the petals, and the PC version of fate/stay night. Some of them are pretty interesting to play, really.

But again I'm a weirdo like that.

I don't think a game like sexy beach, or artificial girl would work on a site like this, but hey, who knows.

Edit: Oh yeah, Knights of xentar is a pretty cool classic hentai RPG from back in the day, which would be great on here.

I didn't see religion mentioned anywhere in the post, though?

I assume Keeveek read it as such because Talima put the joined sexual journey within the confines of marriage.

This, but to be honest, the entire post seemed like a preacher man (saying what's the role of the husband and all that) saying it, so I assumed.

And I wouldn't have a slightest problem with that.

Scientifically, psychologically, it doesn't hold much sense though.

This is not only a US mindset. Here in Germany games have been ridiculed and gotten really bad ratings from magazines if they had boobs in em. On game forums people freak out if there are boobs posted somewhere, even from screenshots of games, although there is nothing in the law or even youth laws that prevents the showing of them. The Playboy magazine has no age restriction here. Big daily newspapers have regular boob sections, sometimes even on the frontpage. For some reason this is also no problem in movies and TV. It seems like german videogamers are extreme prudes.
I'm sure it's similar in Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan, not only the US.

Now, I am a Christian. But that detracts from my statements.

I am utterly confused about how you don't see marriage as beginning a sexual journey together. The most obvious defining thing about a marriage are sexual commitments. You're not becoming life-long roommates. You're becoming sexual partners for life -- at least, that's usually everyone's hope.

And there we begin to see the source of our mutual confusion -- we have different presuppositions.

My wife and I discussed this forum thread last night and she agreed with me. She even said any wife who says that porn doesn't affect them negatively is lying -- to their partner and/or themselves. Now, I cannot point a finger and call someone a liar, but you can see through her statement just how passionately she feels about how pornographic material negatively affects her. And so I choose to love my wife better by doing what I can to keep pornographic material out of my house and to keep my own temptations to a minimum.

And I should also note that for me that porn drops my libido significantly. So I tend to have a much better time without it. Much, much better time. :D

What I find particularly curious is why a few people seem shocked that I try not to view AO material and try to stay away from AO advertisements. Is it just this weird violence/sex artificial dichotomy that must be somehow reconciled in only one way: abstain from watching violence (which, if I dig just barely beneath the surface, wasn't really the statement; really it was, if I may take a small liberty, "If you watch anything violent, then you should subject yourself to watching anything and everything" [apologies for the run-on parenthetical sentences :D])?

I value personal choice and freedom. That's why GOG could, at its choice, be an AO distributor. But, assuming the adverts become in-my-face or the temptation feels to great, I'd also have the choice to not use the service at all. Because it harms my wife, my libido, and in turn, my marriage. That much is easy to grasp. Just ask my wife (which I did and she confirmed).

Because it's usually not as much a beginning as a confirmation that the beginning was good enough to warrant a continuation?

And right there is the only valid reason, in my opinion, for why to abstain from (or indulge in) anything - personal opinion and experience.

Now that part is, more or less, true. I don't think only Christians or religious people value abstinence, but is a rarity in many parts of the world today. I personally have many friends who waited until marriage -- all are Christians.

Thanks for the clue for the confusion. I figured that those who did not wait still saw marriage as a type of beginning. I can see how that would seem foreign.

Thanks!
Right on. That was my point from the beginning.

Of course, some experiences can ruin a person. So perhaps wisdom should be thrown into the mix somewhere.