Dischord: 1. I don't buy the Ukraine "civil war" spin.
2. I am sorry that the Russian people are, once again, being placed into a shitty position.
3. I am aware that the majority in Russia are behind their leader.
4. I am sorry that their leadership has failed them to where they need expansionist policies to feel good about themselves.
5. I don't understand why they need to gobble up neighbors, as they have plenty of land and resources.
6. I can understand their strategic insecurities, but I can't see why it would be in their interest to isolate themselves.
1. Would you buy "ukrainian oligarchs fight by using private armies"?
2. Still better than 90th.
3. Nope. Majority understands that he is puppet of oligarchs. Thing is, alternative - revolution. And Russia has bad experience with them. 1917, 1993... People, which CAN and DO work on making Russia better place slowly overtake - opposition won mayorship in Yekaterinburg and Novosibirsk (biggest Russian cities). People, which call for revolution - dumbasses. It never made things better. Mostly, they blame their faults on surrounding.
4,5. Russia secured its naval base from this
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=2bb691b61c59be3a68180bd8c614a0cb 6. It is the US, which tries to break bonds between EU and Russia. Overtaking over billions/year trade routes is a big deal.
apehater: where does this avatar come from?
looks like dr. zoidberg in real, i love dr. zoidberg.
It is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Hyneman Love his show.
eRe4s3r: aye, I meant European citizens with that. It's true that Kiev is not playing very nicely at the moment and EU gov is still talking with Russia. But what the EU does is based on elections, and public opinion is a powerful weapon.
2 things
Euro being weak is a huge economic boon for Germany. Never forget that ;)
I don't think it'll ever be a 2nd Vietnam for the West (At this point I have to ask, who is the west to you?
What EU does is based on intentions of EU business. Remember, Miller was saved from sanctions?
About your 2 things:
1. I'm ok with strong Germany.
2. West in this context for me - people, which live in the same media area. It took some time for people to get the true sight on situation in Georgia in 08-08-08. Think about it - shooting in Ukraine also started during Olympic games on national ground. More so, same people, which aired Saakashvili's hoaxes, aired Kiev's hoaxes. And Saakashvili himself visits Kiev. I don't see much difference between generic folks in EU, USA, or even Russia. We all want stable life and possibility to do things we like.
Currently, I see politic as a big theater. Governments do everything to show that borders still mean something. But, really, there are companies which can buy and sell countries as a whole. Who has more power - Chief of Lockheed or Jr. Bush as president?
How important color of paper on political map? Why humankind doesn't cooperate and use high unemployment rate of graduates in USA and abundance of Siberian resources to go into space?
Yeah, because selling weapons and natural resources makes some(count on one hand) people wealthier. And that's all.
XenSavage: Dude, i'm not sure what photos are you talking about but it's kind of a fact that plane was shot down from territory that was controlled by terrorists. How the f#ck they could be ukrainian ?
Overall, it's just sad how this "USA is the one to blame for everything" kind of shit that goes from Russian media is overtaking the minds.
1. Ukrainian Buks, satellite photos
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/21/launchers Dispatchers rerouted plane, Buks moved in, shot down plane, moved out. They are mobile, after all.
2. One of the biggest weapon exporters isn't trying to make new markets? Paint me skeptical.