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MartiusR: I'm sorry you're so upset that people are phrasing their opinions - both about game in general and about content of this game. It must be very hard for you to stand that people are complaining on something, you're not complaining. I have hope it didn't cause you too much pain.

*being serious - I know internet is nowadays filled with various opinions and judgements, involving those on the boarder of being ludicrous and based on lies - but despite that, I'm still for allowing everybody to share every kind of opinion, no matter if it's about free game or big AAA title for 80$, so saying "don't share that you're upset about this game/giveaway" is not causing my enthusiasm
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MarkoH01: Nope, it is not hard for me at all - imo it's just ridiculous that there are still people out there complaining about a few pixels on a screen, that's all. It is also just an opinion but I thought we all would agree that a videogame never hurt anyone.
All right, I can understand that point of view - I personally don't agree with it though (seeing how many people are completely skipping reading any reliable books/publications* about historical/sociological/etc topics, I am personally convinced that even such "silly" stuff as video games, youtube videos etc is shaping people's vision of world).

*And finding reliable books/publications is becaming more and more hard - e.g. Judy Batallion's books, full of misinformation and unbased thesis, yet very popular.
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MarkoH01: Nope, it is not hard for me at all - imo it's just ridiculous that there are still people out there complaining about a few pixels on a screen, that's all. It is also just an opinion but I thought we all would agree that a videogame never hurt anyone.
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MartiusR: All right, I can understand that point of view - I personally don't agree with it though (seeing how many people are completely skipping reading any reliable books/publications* about historical/sociological/etc topics, I am personally convinced that even such "silly" stuff as video games, youtube videos etc is shaping people's vision of world).

*And finding reliable books/publications is becaming more and more hard - e.g. Judy Batallion's books, full of misinformation and unbased thesis, yet very popular.
Internet vs tv, tv vs radio, radio vs newspaper, newspaper vs book... That's what's going on, there. Somehow, the old liars are always more reliable than the new liars.
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kohlrak: Ok, so strong on the strawman, i see.
Firstly, you've conveniently missed my reply to your reply to me, where you naively want to know if any right-wing FPS exist. I provided evidence and proof of them in my reply to you, in post number 217, above. There is a tsunami of right-wing FPS out there. Like a shark, you've detected a left-wing FPS drop in the ocean of right-wing FPS.

Secondly, you're replying to my reply to somebody else. If you read it literally, you'd have noticed that my comment does the exact opposite of equating Conservatiism to militarism. Actually, I make no distinction between which American major political party is or is not a supporter of militarism.

Thirdly, I've provided links to sources and articles which support my position. Your approach is:

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kohlrak: I have some sources telling me elsewhere that they believe the reason Japan attacked pearl harbor was because communists in Japan felt that Roosevelt were in the whitehouse when Japan inevitably got hammered they could make Japan communist
Can I assume that your "sources" are some of the more reputable tin foil hat brigade which still live in their parent's basement? Evidence, please, otherwise your comment that

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kohlrak: the rest is history
is bizarre.

If our conversation can be likened to a FPS game, I'm the one with a musket and you are wielding a plastic spoon. The most you can upgrade that plastic spoon is wrapping some tape around the handle.

I'm guessing that you're a teenager or something. It would be sad if you're an adult, as you seem like one of those Americans who got duped by Russian propaganda in recent US elections. The Russians just spouted all sorts of nonsense without evidence and gullible Americans just swallowed it, maybe even swinging the result in the way that Russia wanted.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time in this thread, so I might not continue this discussion with you. Just try being a bit more critical. Just because a random dude in a You Tube video spouts a conspiracy theory, doesn't make it true. Ask for evidence. Make that "credible evidence". Breitbart News might not qualify on that front.

Lastly, as far as your Japan story goes, I only found one 'source' which I got a hit for when trying to 'research' this subject. I can't say how credible the source is but the gist of the article was that an American who was a Soviet agent made WW2 with Japan inevitable. The American was a significant figure in history and Wikipedia confirms some sort of link between him and helping Russia but I'm not going to give the article that I found a free kick as Wikipedia lists the source of that article as being "far-right".
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kohlrak: Internet vs tv, tv vs radio, radio vs newspaper, newspaper vs book... That's what's going on, there. Somehow, the old liars are always more reliable than the new liars.
That's uncritical cynicism. Critical scepticism is a healthier alternative. From what I've seen in the news, Russian trolls and their fake media are big on muddying the waters so that people think that everything is a lie, so, in the case of America, people don't vote, undermining and subverting democracy as a result.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/video/russia-us-election-disinformation.html
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pearnon: A lot of apologia in this thread being made by German posters. Weird. Wonder if you'd be so equanimous if it were a game about, say, a crypto-AFD kicking economic migrants out of the country in a cartoony way.
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Arundir: The former minister of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Mr. Maaßen, was recently interviewed by the Epoch times. He stated openly, which was quite baffling, that Germany is facing a leftist(communist) takeover. He was mentioning the silent revolution and the march through the institutions of the '68 generation and that the western liberal democratic values made it possible..

He also said that Mr. Bezmenov was not the only defector, there were several, talking about the plan to destabilize western democracies.

interview

PS Yeah, vote down facts...there is a link to the interview and I am answering to a user, Not making a statement about the game..
Maybe you should also state, that Mr. Maaßen was fired after he publicly commented (this alone is quite unusual for his former position) about a violent racist incident (people were cased through the city by a mob) and intentionally stated that it never happened. At this time there was already video evidence in the media, alaothe local police was investigating and assured those events happened. Although Mr. Maaßen was quite important in his former position, he isn't the best source for political analysis, especially as he is now a candidate for the German parliament.
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kohlrak: Internet vs tv, tv vs radio, radio vs newspaper, newspaper vs book... That's what's going on, there. Somehow, the old liars are always more reliable than the new liars.
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BartonFink: That's uncritical cynicism. Critical scepticism is a healthier alternative. From what I've seen in the news, Russian trolls and their fake media are big on muddying the waters so that people think that everything is a lie, so, in the case of America, people don't vote, undermining and subverting democracy as a result.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/video/russia-us-election-disinformation.html
And you cite NYTimes of all papers which is currently in a lawsuit where a judge has ruled against them in a libel charge.

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BartonFink: Firstly, you've conveniently missed my reply to your reply to me, where you naively want to know if any right-wing FPS exist. I provided evidence and proof of them in my reply to you, in post number 217, above. There is a tsunami of right-wing FPS out there. Like a shark, you've detected a left-wing FPS drop in the ocean of right-wing FPS.
No, i saw it, and the other person adequately responded that militarism is not conservatism. SO i didn't need to respond.
Secondly, you're replying to my reply to somebody else. If you read it literally, you'd have noticed that my comment does the exact opposite of equating Conservatiism to militarism. Actually, I make no distinction between which American major political party is or is not a supporter of militarism.
Except the implication of the evidence you provide suggests that militarism is conservatism...
Thirdly, I've provided links to sources and articles which support my position. Your approach is:

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kohlrak: I have some sources telling me elsewhere that they believe the reason Japan attacked pearl harbor was because communists in Japan felt that Roosevelt were in the whitehouse when Japan inevitably got hammered they could make Japan communist
Can I assume that your "sources" are some of the more reputable tin foil hat brigade which still live in their parent's basement? Evidence, please, otherwise your comment that
I'll pass. I could certainly drudge them up, or rather their sources, but it'd be easier to wait ('cause i'd have to go through weeks of logs) until theirs is published, and i doubt you'd particularly care anyway. You won't take my word for it, but we know no one ever listens to the other side in a gog post. In reality, this is about the others reading the post, who are much more likely to try to follow up on this themselves and will likely find something.
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kohlrak: the rest is history
is bizarre.

If our conversation can be likened to a FPS game, I'm the one with a musket and you are wielding a plastic spoon. The most you can upgrade that plastic spoon is wrapping some tape around the handle.

I'm guessing that you're a teenager or something. It would be sad if you're an adult, as you seem like one of those Americans who got duped by Russian propaganda in recent US elections. The Russians just spouted all sorts of nonsense without evidence and gullible Americans just swallowed it, maybe even swinging the result in the way that Russia wanted.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time in this thread, so I might not continue this discussion with you. Just try being a bit more critical. Just because a random dude in a You Tube video spouts a conspiracy theory, doesn't make it true. Ask for evidence. Make that "credible evidence". Breitbart News might not qualify on that front.
Nice try, but not goin' for it. This ain't my first 5 seconds on the internet.
Lastly, as far as your Japan story goes, I only found one 'source' which I got a hit for when trying to 'research' this subject. I can't say how credible the source is but the gist of the article was that an American who was a Soviet agent made WW2 with Japan inevitable. The American was a significant figure in history and Wikipedia confirms some sort of link between him and helping Russia but I'm not going to give the article that I found a free kick as Wikipedia lists the source of that article as being "far-right".
My sources are Japanese, and their side's a little more interesting. I'm hoping they get it translated to english, since, other than the one guy's bias towards christianity and america itself, there's alot of really, really interesting implications. It would probably bore you, though.
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kohlrak: What FPS is right wing? Even Duke Nukem is left-wing.
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squid830: Wait, what? How exactly is Duke Nukem "left wing"?!?
I just saw your edit. I've seen another article or two, before, but this is the only one i could pull out to back up this claim right now: duke himself.

My understanding was that it was supposed to be satire on the right wing. And it failed so hard the left won't stop punishing it. Keep in mind the era in which duke 3d was released, too. I could've been reading too much into it, though, but i vaguely remember reading something like that.
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squid830: I've played through the game multiple times. Yes you CAN play as a progressive - but you can also play as a proper Conquistador (token mixed-race chick notwithstanding). BTW although I kept the mixed race chick and even rescued her from the bastards who wanted to sacrifice her, I then sold her to the evil temple guy in the next map
The mixed race background of Isabella is pretty believable imo, the conquistadors were mostly men and entered into many sexual relationships with native women (well-known example is Cortes and Malinche who served as an interpreter for the conquistadors and later became the wife of one of Cortes' officers).
What isn't believable is that she's a soldier, and the number of female soldiers/hunters in the game is pretty silly and ahistorical. Some dialogue options also seemd a bit too influenced by modern sensibilities for my taste. But for me that's a minor criticism, I agree that Expeditions:Conquistador is a very good game, and not in any way propaganda for a particular political point of view.
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Ueber: Maybe you should also state, that Mr. Maaßen was fired after he publicly commented (this alone is quite unusual for his former position) about a violent racist incident (people were cased through the city by a mob) and intentionally stated that it never happened. At this time there was already video evidence in the media, alaothe local police was investigating and assured those events happened. Although Mr. Maaßen was quite important in his former position, he isn't the best source for political analysis, especially as he is now a candidate for the German parliament.
That event was recounted by the woman who recorded the short video and ran counter to the media narrative.

Mr. Maaßen was right and got fired for daring to speak out against the mainstream media narrative and the chancellor.

Hase
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Unbelievably I missed this free game ... the first free one for quite a while that I didn't already have.

I had to go to sleep early Friday night due to a big day Saturday. It was so big, I did not even get to turn my PC on, and only made it to GOG late tonight (Sunday) and just missed the game, as it was provided during that window ... incredible, especially as it is rare for me not to visit GOG every day or at least within 36 hours ... alas the game was only available for 48 hours.

Been so busy lately dealing with the disaster of a ceiling collapse in the carport section of my house, and because one of the ends of the carport is not enclosed, the rest of the house ceilings are at risk, so while waiting for insurance to fix things, I have been busy enclosing that open end. Very tiring and physically taxing for an unfit old bugger like me with a bad back. I also did not want to let down my oldest son who lives interstate, as we were meeting his future in-laws there, for the first time later this week, and the wife had booked time off work to do that. Marriage later in the year. So the pressure's on.
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Hey GOG staffers, look at the main page. Remember when you threatened to ban me when I made the pun "Paradicks Entertainment" (whopps I did it again)?

And when you said "no politics allowed"? Isn't that time to ban some users here for serious violations so that maybe sane people can enjoy some civil discussions once more? Thank you.
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Enebias: Hey GOG staffers, look at the main page. Remember when you threatened to ban me when I made the pun "Paradicks Entertainment" (whopps I did it again)?

And when you said "no politics allowed"? Isn't that time to ban some users here for serious violations so that maybe sane people can enjoy some civil discussions once more? Thank you.
If GOG is going to give away a blatantly political game, they'd be acting like hypocritical cowards if they banned political discussion in the thread about it.
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Enebias: Hey GOG staffers, look at the main page. Remember when you threatened to ban me when I made the pun "Paradicks Entertainment" (whopps I did it again)?

And when you said "no politics allowed"? Isn't that time to ban some users here for serious violations so that maybe sane people can enjoy some civil discussions once more? Thank you.
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ReynardFox: If GOG is going to give away a blatantly political game, they'd be acting like hypocritical cowards if they banned political discussion in the thread about it.
Maybe that was the plan all along. Let the users whip themselves into a mad frenzy over a silly meme game over the weekend and start the great purge of "No politix allowed!"-violators on Monday.

See y'all in the gulag, sweeties!
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pearnon: It's an "incredibly important" day in many European cultures because it's an ancient festival of spring. Don't conflate it with its appropriation by socialists and communists.
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Z_Zhukov: Sorry, but you are wrong. The date was chosen to commemorate the Haymarket massacre, not because ancient festivities. Although the massacre was May the 4th, 1886, the strikes and rallies for achieving the eight-hour work day started the 1st, all across the USA.
The date is a date because of ancient festivities, and that's why it's still important, as even a cursory glance here illustrates. Doesn't matter the reason why socialists and communists subsequently appropriated it for their own purposes. You even point out the event transpired on a different day altogether.
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BartonFink: Isn't pretty much every Western FPS a 'right-wing violence simulator' propaganda which is called a 'game'?
Not really. Unless you ascribe mindlessly shooting people/aliens/monsters to any particular ideology, which would be an interesting definition to say the least.

This situation is akin to right-wing, Ruper Murdoch dominated news media landscape
Your reading of current events is rather quizzical. Either that, or you're overly stuck on the outdated left/right dichotomy.

complaining about those lone, isolated voices which take a different perspective.
You mean like all the delisted, deplatformed and defunded independent outlets? Or the social media purge of dissenting or critical voices?

In other words, one 'leftie' FPS and that's all too much for some people. A million right-wing war propaganda FPS games and it's a case of 'Nothing to see here. Move on'. I'd say that this demonstrates that violence and propaganda are only a problem for some people if it's not by their political team.
All it demonstrates is that you're confused and have your definitions all mixed up.