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sethsez: Sure did. That makes it more difficult, but doesn't change things like bland design or inertia on ship movement.

Have you played anything from Cave, Psikyo or Raizing, or even classics like Darius Gaiden, Rayforce, Raiden II, Gradius or R-Type?
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Darvond: Sure. Gradius has slow and awkward movement, Darius eats quarters for lunch despite being a console game, R-Type is slower than Tyrian at times.

I've played Gradius I-III, Parodious 1-2, one of the Darius games, and R-Type Super and III. And if we're talking about bland design, then how about the boss recycling of Gradius or how most of the enemies are nothing more than flying circles?

As for games by Cave, nope. I've barely even heard of them.
I'll acknowledge that Gradius and R-Type have slow movement (though they both have speedups) but I don't see what's awkward about the former, and Darius, barring a couple terrible SNES games, is not a console series, it's an arcade series. It's also perfectly possible to complete on a single credit.

But fair enough, if you're not a fan of the genre you're not a fan of the genre. But that doesn't mean GOG should skip releasing games for those of us who are.
Post edited November 20, 2015 by sethsez
GOG doesn't like arcade games in general so it's not surprising......
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sethsez: I'll acknowledge that Gradius and R-Type have slow movement (though they both have speedups) but I don't see what's awkward about the former, and Darius, barring a couple terrible SNES games, is not a console series, it's an arcade series. It's also perfectly possible to complete on a single credit.

But fair enough, if you're not a fan of the genre you're not a fan of the genre. But that doesn't mean GOG should skip releasing games for those of us who are.
I like games that give you a chance, and Tyrian has a massive advantage in that department, I can think of only one game that is even close to as lenient, and that would be Raptor: Call of the Shadows.
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sethsez: I'll acknowledge that Gradius and R-Type have slow movement (though they both have speedups) but I don't see what's awkward about the former, and Darius, barring a couple terrible SNES games, is not a console series, it's an arcade series. It's also perfectly possible to complete on a single credit.

But fair enough, if you're not a fan of the genre you're not a fan of the genre. But that doesn't mean GOG should skip releasing games for those of us who are.
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Darvond: I like games that give you a chance, and Tyrian has a massive advantage in that department, I can think of only one game that is even close to as lenient, and that would be Raptor: Call of the Shadows.
To me, shmups are like pinball: if they're easy, they're boring. They're measures of skill, and the entire point is to practice and get better. They don't have stories, they don't have a ton of variety, so they're best when they're short and difficult, like most other games of skill tend to be. Tyrian and Raptor are two of the easiest shmups ever made, and because of that I find them intolerably boring. A hurdle is supposed to be something you leap, not something you step over.
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catpower1980: GOG doesn't like arcade games in general so it's not surprising......
Doesn't make it any more acceptable.

GOG is a storefront, they should be delivering a wide variety of things to serve as large a userbase as possible. Acting like PC genre elitists like this is extremely offensive and it hurts everyone in the end.
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sethsez: To me, shmups are like pinball: if they're easy, they're boring. They're measures of skill, and the entire point is to practice and get better. They don't have stories, they don't have a ton of variety, so they're best when they're short and difficult, like most other games of skill tend to be. Tyrian and Raptor are two of the easiest shmups ever made, and because of that I find them intolerably boring. A hurdle is supposed to be something you leap, not something you step over.
I happen to be in the camp that agrees with Ross Scott (Of Freeman's Mind Fame), and beg the question, 'What am I supposed to do, insert more coins into the computer?'
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catpower1980: GOG doesn't like arcade games in general so it's not surprising......
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ReynardFox: Doesn't make it any more acceptable.

GOG is a storefront, they should be delivering a wide variety of things to serve as large a userbase as possible. Acting like PC genre elitists like this is extremely offensive and it hurts everyone in the end.
When was the last time you walked into a dollar store and purchased a Rolex?
Post edited November 21, 2015 by JDelekto
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ReynardFox: Doesn't make it any more acceptable.

GOG is a storefront, they should be delivering a wide variety of things to serve as large a userbase as possible. Acting like PC genre elitists like this is extremely offensive and it hurts everyone in the end.
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JDelekto: When was the last time you walked into a dollar store and purchased a Rolex?
Which is a unrelated example since GOG is a gaming store and declines good games. Arcade is a pretty old genre with an existing fanbase, even if niche today. And while Mushi isn't as old as other stuff here, 11 years should fit into Good "old" games.

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Darvond: I happen to be in the camp that agrees with Ross Scott (Of Freeman's Mind Fame), and beg the question, 'What am I supposed to do, insert more coins into the computer?'
I watched that vid just no. Not completely cause I seriously noticed that his and my view are really different.
Yes, a lot of people like these games because they require perfection. It needs some time, but just 1CC'ing them isn't as impossible as he says. A good amount of them have difficulty levels for newer players, though some are still much harder or easier than other due to game mechanics.
And I actually prefer Bullet Hells over the usual Shmup because surviving these screen filing Barrages one after another is just what makes this so fun. When I took up my first bullet hell, I didn't get past the first level without creditfeeding. But It was still somehow fun and I just tried till I managed to 1CC the hardest difficult. Sure it was one of the easier ones and the thing that kept me going innitially was the soundtrack, but it made me nonetheless a shmup/bullethell fan who likes their challenge. Even though I still suck horribly.

You aren't supposed to put more coins into the PC, thought that's how this genre was created on arcades. A lot of people play these to learn the bullet patternin in and out, learn how to survive them and then getting the most score out of them. Or just trying to survive all of this till the last boss.
If you don't like this, no problem. There are games like Tyrian that bring you it. But it seems that a good amount of the shmup community likes it with one hit=death.
Post edited November 21, 2015 by Naszrador
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JDelekto: When was the last time you walked into a dollar store and purchased a Rolex?
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Naszrador: Which is a unrelated example since GOG is a gaming store and declines good games. Arcade is a pretty old genre with an existing fanbase, even if niche today. And while Mushi isn't as old as other stuff here, 11 years should fit into Good "old" games.
OK, on that, I tend to want to agree with you however:

a) what good games are being declined;
b) what licencing agreements existing between those 'old' games?;
c) what have you done to get the game you wish adopted here DRM free?

There are conditions to get a game here, and aside from copyright laws, permissive use licences, ecliptic of the moon, etc, etc., if you can't get someone to play ball, you'll have to play with your own.
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JDelekto: OK, on that, I tend to want to agree with you however:

a) what good games are being declined;
b) what licencing agreements existing between those 'old' games?;
c) what have you done to get the game you wish adopted here DRM free?

There are conditions to get a game here, and aside from copyright laws, permissive use licences, ecliptic of the moon, etc, etc., if you can't get someone to play ball, you'll have to play with your own.
a) The very first post here includes a list of shmups publishers wanted DRM free on GOG. But it seems GOG didn't want them for being to niche. But I'm not working for any publishers or GOG, so I may just be spouting misinformation. But at least Degica wanted Mushihmesama which GOG didn't think of as profitable enough and want's to wait it out. And it wouldn't be hard to call Mushi one of, if not the best Shmup currently licensed in the west on PC. Developed by THE company for Bullet hells.

b)I'm just your average joe, no Idea. I only now Degica and others wanted them here but GOG declines.

c)Nothing but voting the wishlist. What could I?
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Darvond: I happen to be in the camp that agrees with Ross Scott (Of Freeman's Mind Fame), and beg the question, 'What am I supposed to do, insert more coins into the computer?'
Thanks for recommending this guy, his Testdrive 3 video is really funny. :^)
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Naszrador: c)Nothing but voting the wishlist. What could I?
That's probably your best bet!
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Strijkbout: Thanks for recommending this guy, his Testdrive 3 video is really funny. :^)
And Test Drive III is still quite awful but amazing!
Meanwhile, be sure to check and also [url=http://www.locomalito.com/gaurodan.php]this.
Or anything from that awesome guy really.
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javihyuga: Meanwhile, be sure to check and also [url=http://www.locomalito.com/gaurodan.php]this.
Or anything from that awesome guy really.
Locomalito is super talented. Maldita Castilla, in particular, was a fantastic take on a GnG-style game.