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Breja: I agree there is a story in RoboCop, but it's buried beneath the tiresome attempt at satire, instead of the story being put first, and the satire being subtly hidden beneath it.
What do you call satire, in Robocop, apart from short glimpses of a stupid tv show setting a cultural background, and a couple of silly tv news before the actual newsflashes that do advance the plot ?
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Ixamyakxim: Didn't it even have dear old Ripley herself?
Jamie Lee Curtis ≠ Sigourney Weaver

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As for the current discussion, I confess I'm not refined enough to detect the variations of degrees in Superman lameness. :-(
Post edited March 28, 2015 by Telika
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Elmofongo: I have seen alot of people bashing too much on Man of Steel.

Moviebob, Screen Junkies, Cinemasins, Nostalgia Critc AND Chick, ItsJustSomeRandomGuy, Sams Channel.

Speaking with such rhetoric that this is the worse Superman movie ever.

Even though Superman has been in WORSE than Man of Steel.
The opening scene was increadibly well done.
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l0rdtr3k: The movie was well done. I'd say it's underrated.
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tinyE: Superman 3 and 4 were so bad they reached out of the screen and slapped you.
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l0rdtr3k: Superman 4 IS the worst Superman movie not Man of Steel.
Perhaps But Superman has been WORSE things outside of movies. This comic book of Superman just leaves a hole in the part of my brain the handles logical thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WpE1MScgT8
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l0rdtr3k: The movie was well done. I'd say it's underrated.

Superman 4 IS the worst Superman movie not Man of Steel.
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tinyE: I didn't think Man of Steel was that bad. I thought the fight sequences got a tad repetitive but I thought Russell Crow did a nice job and it was a beautiful looking movie.
Superman 64 is also worse than Man of Steel.
Post edited March 28, 2015 by Elmofongo
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tinyE: I didn't think Man of Steel was that bad. I thought the fight sequences got a tad repetitive but I thought Russell Crow did a nice job and it was a beautiful looking movie.
I thought it was very meh and got tiresome after a while but at least is not Supes 3 or 4.
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Elmofongo: Perhaps But Superman has been WORSE things outside of movies. This comic book of Superman just leaves a hole in the part of my brain the handles logical thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WpE1MScgT8
Superman 64 is also worse than Man of Steel.
Silver Age Supes,that is all. Thank God the Crisis happened.
Post edited March 28, 2015 by l0rdtr3k
My own favourite, Dark Star, Dan O'bannon on a retake of an already B movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkjiDJUHPHM

franchised to buggery.

What is most important about interstellar travel? Alien life forms or how do you wipe your ass when the bog roll compartment de-pressures?

It did one thing right, peeps don't get on well together in space.
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Telika: What do you call satire, in Robocop, apart from short glimpses of a stupid tv show setting a cultural background, and a couple of silly tv news before the actual newsflashes that do advance the plot ?
Pretty much everything. OCP and all the characters working there, the level of violence and the way it's shown, ed 209... there is precious little in that movie that is not blunt force trauma satire.

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Elmofongo: Even though Superman has been in WORSE than Man of Steel.
It's not hard to be in something worse than Man of Steel as it is a very good movie. Pretty much all the critics who hate it complain about things that make me think they didn't actually watch the movie. Either that, or they are just brain-dead.
Post edited March 28, 2015 by Breja
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Telika: What do you call satire, in Robocop, apart from short glimpses of a stupid tv show setting a cultural background, and a couple of silly tv news before the actual newsflashes that do advance the plot ?
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Breja: Pretty much everything. OCP and all the characters working there, the level of violence and the way it's shown, ed 209... there is precious little in that movie that is not blunt force trauma satire.
Hmm, 'kay. I kinda take all this at face value, on my side. As in any scifi/anticipation action movie of the era.
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tinyE: I didn't think Man of Steel was that bad. I thought the fight sequences got a tad repetitive but I thought Russell Crow did a nice job and it was a beautiful looking movie.
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l0rdtr3k: I thought it was very meh and got tiresome after a while but at least is not Supes 3 or 4.
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Elmofongo: Perhaps But Superman has been WORSE things outside of movies. This comic book of Superman just leaves a hole in the part of my brain the handles logical thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WpE1MScgT8
Superman 64 is also worse than Man of Steel.
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l0rdtr3k: Silver Age Supes,that is all. Thank God the Crisis happened.
People criticizing Man of Steel grew up with the Pre Crisis Silver Age :P (Or at least in some form like the Superfriends TV show)

Like the dudes at Screen Junkies criticizing the new look for Aquaman because it too bland and grey and want the classic Green and Orange suit because its recognizable even though:

A. Its just that one image and happens to be in a more dull grey, we don't know how it will look in the movie.

B. One of the big criticisms against Aquaman and why he is treated as a joke these days is because of the colorful suit.

But who am I kidding here Screen Junkies is a bunch of bias Marvel Cinematic Universe fanboys. The MCU fanboys are just as bad as the worse of Brony fandom.

I grew up with the DCAU man it has much better and serious stories and action than anything MCU churns out. Justice League intro is MIGHTY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXph0arElKs

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Telika: What do you call satire, in Robocop, apart from short glimpses of a stupid tv show setting a cultural background, and a couple of silly tv news before the actual newsflashes that do advance the plot ?
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Breja: Pretty much everything. OCP and all the characters working there, the level of violence and the way it's shown, ed 209... there is precious little in that movie that is not blunt force trauma satire.

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Elmofongo: Even though Superman has been in WORSE than Man of Steel.
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Breja: It's not hard to be in something worse than Man of Steel as it is a very good movie.
I thought it was aa great movie aswell. Zack Snyder is the best in the buisness when it comes to action scenes.

If I have to address the problems with the movie (Aside from the tacky Catholic Priest Scene and the miscast actress for Lois Lane) is that I find the movie kinda rushed. Like Avengers and the MCU became ridiculously successful so Warner Bros. just rushed in the studio to make their own Cinematic Universe with DC. Especially considering it came out a year after the Avengers.
Post edited March 28, 2015 by Elmofongo
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Elmofongo: People criticizing Man of Steel grew up with the Pre Crisis Silver Age :P (Or at least in some form like the Superfriends TV show)

Like the dudes at Screen Junkies criticizing the new look for Aquaman because it too bland and grey and want the classic Green and Orange suit because its recognizable even though:

A. Its just that one image and happens to be in a more dull grey, we don't know how it will look in the movie.

B. One of the big criticisms against Aquaman and why he is treated as a joke these days is because of the colorful suit.

But who am I kidding here Screen Junkies is a bunch of bias Marvel Cinematic Universe fanboys. The MCU fanboys are just as bad as the worse of Brony fandom.

I grew up with the DCAU man it has much better and serious stories and action than anything MCU churns out. Justice League intro is MIGHTY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXph0arElKs
Aquaman's been the butt of the jokes ever since the Superfriends(remember the,thankfully forsaken,twins?). And I liked the new style of the movie. Comic movies shoudn't be exacly like the comics unless it's an adaptation of a work like Watchmen or the DC Animated Universe.
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Breja: Pretty much everything. OCP and all the characters working there, the level of violence and the way it's shown, ed 209... there is precious little in that movie that is not blunt force trauma satire.
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Telika: Hmm, 'kay. I kinda take all this at face value, on my side. As in any scifi/anticipation action movie of the era.
I would also like to point out, that RoboCop (the character) is supposed to be an analogue of Jesus. No, really.

"Director Paul Verhoeven, known for his heavy use of Christian symbolism, states in the documentary "Flesh and Steel: The Making of RoboCop" (featured on the RoboCop DVD) that his intention was to portray RoboCop as a Christ figure. This is represented in Murphy's horrific death, his resurrected return as RoboCop, and the scene at the steel mill in which RoboCop is seen walking ankle-deep in water, creating the illusion of him walking on water."

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Elmofongo: the dudes at Screen Junkies criticizing the new look for Aquaman because it too bland and grey and want the classic Green and Orange suit because its recognizable even though:

A. Its just that one image and happens to be in a more dull grey, we don't know how it will look in the movie.

B. One of the big criticisms against Aquaman and why he is treated as a joke these days is because of the colorful suit.
I Iike how pepole complain about him not looking like he does in the comic, although he pretty much looked like this in comics at one point, and the Justice League animated series.
Post edited March 28, 2015 by Breja
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Elmofongo: People criticizing Man of Steel grew up with the Pre Crisis Silver Age :P (Or at least in some form like the Superfriends TV show)

Like the dudes at Screen Junkies criticizing the new look for Aquaman because it too bland and grey and want the classic Green and Orange suit because its recognizable even though:

A. Its just that one image and happens to be in a more dull grey, we don't know how it will look in the movie.

B. One of the big criticisms against Aquaman and why he is treated as a joke these days is because of the colorful suit.

But who am I kidding here Screen Junkies is a bunch of bias Marvel Cinematic Universe fanboys. The MCU fanboys are just as bad as the worse of Brony fandom.

I grew up with the DCAU man it has much better and serious stories and action than anything MCU churns out. Justice League intro is MIGHTY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXph0arElKs
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l0rdtr3k: Aquaman's been the butt of the jokes ever since the Superfriends(remember the,thankfully forsaken,twins?). And I liked the new style of the movie. Comic movies shoudn't be exacly like the comics unless it's an adaptation of a work like Watchmen or the DC Animated Universe.
I think animations of comic books Superheroes is superior and has always worked better than Live Action.

I say the 1940s Superman Cartoons aged better than even the live action 1979 movie with Christopher Reeves (even though I liked that movie)

Oh and I did mention Superfriends already ;)
Maybe I am preaching to the choir, but I like quite many of the video game-inspired movies, those that "real" movie critics always bash, saying "this is based on a video game, meaning it has unbelievable characters, stupid story etc." (that's e.g. what I just read when there was a Prince of Persia rerun on TV). Yes, big part of my enjoyment becomes from the connection to some game I know, I admit.

The Silent Hill movie was a masterpiece for me, I enjoyed it a lot. It was much better than most other Hollywood horror movies I've seen.

Prince of Persia was quite enjoyable, I liked it quite a bit overall.

Doom was pretty ok. I liked how one of the good guys turned into a baddie, etc.

I recall enjoying somewhat some House of Dead / Dead or Alive / Mortal Kombat movies, but those go more to the category that I can't tell them from each other anymore.

I've yet to see the Far Cry movie, I've been meaning to watch it at some point. There are also many other Uwe Boll movies I haven't seen yet.
Post edited March 28, 2015 by timppu
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timppu: Maybe I am preaching to the choir, but I like quite many of the video game-inspired movies, those that "real" movie critics always bash, saying "this is based on a video game, meaning it has unbelievable characters, stupid story etc." (that's e.g. what I just read when there was a Prince of Persia rerun on TV). Yes, big part of my enjoyment becomes from the connection to some game I know, I admit.

The Silent Hill movie was a masterpiece for me, I enjoyed it a lot. It was much better than most other Hollywood horror movies I've seen.

Prince of Persia was quite enjoyable, I liked it quite a bit overall.

Doom was pretty ok. I liked how one of the good guys turned into a baddie, etc.

I recall enjoying somewhat some House of Dead / Dead or Alive / Mortal Kombat movies, but those go more to the category that I can't tell them from each other anymore.

I've yet to see the Far Cry movie, I've been meaning to watch it at some point.
I thought the First 2 Live Action Resident Evil movies were decent. I think the 3rd one is the weakest though.
I have to nominate Colour of the Night. It was a very bad and completely stupid movie and yet it's quite enjoyable (at least when you like Jane March).
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timppu: Maybe I am preaching to the choir, but I like quite many of the video game-inspired movies, those that "real" movie critics always bash, saying "this is based on a video game, meaning it has unbelievable characters, stupid story etc." (that's e.g. what I just read when there was a Prince of Persia rerun on TV). Yes, big part of my enjoyment becomes from the connection to some game I know, I admit.
The problem with some of those movies is not how bad they are, but how much better they could have been. Prince of Persia, Max Payne, Hitman- those are not terrible movies (not very good ones either, but serviceable), but they could have been great. Why Max Payne could not have been a faithful adaptation of the game's plot, instead of the inferior chep knockoff we got? Hell if I know. But when a superb game, and one so seemingly easy to turn into a movie, ends up as a mediocre action flick, it's hard to be overjoyed.

Also, as we're talking about video game adaptations- I think Uwe Boll is overrated. Overrated as "the worst director ever" I mean. His movies are not nearly as spectacularly, awesomly bad as I was led to believe. They are just very boring, bland kind of cheap cash-ins.
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Telika: Hmm, 'kay. I kinda take all this at face value, on my side. As in any scifi/anticipation action movie of the era.
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Breja: I would also like to point out, that RoboCop (the character) is supposed to be an analogue of Jesus. No, really.

"Director Paul Verhoeven, known for his heavy use of Christian symbolism, states in the documentary "Flesh and Steel: The Making of RoboCop" (featured on the RoboCop DVD) that his intention was to portray RoboCop as a Christ figure. This is represented in Murphy's horrific death, his resurrected return as RoboCop, and the scene at the steel mill in which RoboCop is seen walking ankle-deep in water, creating the illusion of him walking on water."

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Elmofongo: the dudes at Screen Junkies criticizing the new look for Aquaman because it too bland and grey and want the classic Green and Orange suit because its recognizable even though:

A. Its just that one image and happens to be in a more dull grey, we don't know how it will look in the movie.

B. One of the big criticisms against Aquaman and why he is treated as a joke these days is because of the colorful suit.
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Breja: I Iike how pepole complain about him not looking like he does in the comic, although he pretty much looked like this in comics at one point, and the Justice League animated series.
The Justice League episode about Aquaman was one of the best. The guy cuts off his own hand to save his kid. That is self sacrifice.

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timppu: Maybe I am preaching to the choir, but I like quite many of the video game-inspired movies, those that "real" movie critics always bash, saying "this is based on a video game, meaning it has unbelievable characters, stupid story etc." (that's e.g. what I just read when there was a Prince of Persia rerun on TV). Yes, big part of my enjoyment becomes from the connection to some game I know, I admit.
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Breja: The problem with some of those movies is not how bad they are, but how much better they could have been. Prince of Persia, Max Payne, Hitman- those are not terrible movies (not very good ones either, but serviceable), but they could have been great. Why Max Payne could not have been a faithful adaptation of the game's plot, instead of the inferior chep knockoff we got? Hell if I know. But when a superb game, and one so seemingly easy to turn into a movie, ends up as a mediocre action flick, it's hard to be overjoyed.

Also, as we're talking about video game adaptations- I think Uwe Boll is overrated. Overrated as "the worst director ever" I mean. His movies are not nearly as spectacularly, awesomly bad as I was led to believe. They are just very boring, bland kind of cheap cash-ins.
Is Hitman even a proper representaion of the games? As in faithfulness? Like some elements of the movie is in the game like the disguises?
Post edited March 28, 2015 by Elmofongo