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catpower1980: mmm, even if I follow the French news daily, I don't remember this one. As there ever been a court case to "set an example"? Tu peux balancer les liens d'articles en français ;)
Me neither; granted currently the french news seems to only care about the Fillon/Jupé duel, but still there should have been some mention somewhere especially if it was controversial.
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Gersen: Me neither; granted currently the french news seems to only care about the Fillon/Jupé duel, but still there should have been some mention somewhere especially if it was controversial.
But it is not controversial. All good people agree, and those who don't aren't worth paying attention to.
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catpower1980: mmm, even if I follow the French news daily, I don't remember this one. As there ever been a court case to "set an example"? Tu peux balancer les liens d'articles en français ;)
i sent you PM about it
After some thought I wanted to reply to this directly

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Ganrao: So how come GoG is still OK with leaving a white supremacist movement's / internet harassment and hate campaign's thread up?

I can't fucking believe this, every time I see it.

GG = 4chan and /pol = Stormfront and Nazis = get the fuck off my internet you racist scumfucks.
To me, Gamergate is NOT a hate movement (ie not "white supremacist movement's / internet harassment and hate campaign") it's a HATED movement, big difference. Socjus types have likened culture to a bicycle & if someone rides it, that deprives someone else the experience. Gaming culture though is big enough that it is a fleet of bicycles, trikes & maybe even some four-wheelers of all different colors & options to suit riders of all types. it's truly diverse (not just color) but there are those that are mad that gaming isn't made up of only one type of bike (different colors sure but few other options) so for me GG is a fight against a true case of "cultural appropriation" as opposed to some random person trying on a native-American headdress for a few minutes.
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Ganrao: get the fuck off my internet
like gaming culture, there is enough internet for everyone. So please don't try to appropriate that as well.
Post edited November 25, 2016 by Rusty_Gunn
One of the reasons the forum has gone to shit is because many people cannot force out replies to their own posts. Not taking the effort to reply will obviously stifle discussion. So whoever gets banned and whatever evil-words list comes to make the forum great again, shitty people who can't put in even the minimum effort to continue any discussion will always ruin it.
errata/addition:

here, as it was already the case for public racist or homophobic insults, sexist insults bow added:
6 months jail + 25 000€ fine
source (for those who crave for it) https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F32077
it is a state/official website...

and, YES, that include blonde joke on internet, curse words like bitch or slut (obviously) but also "miss" for that current purpose...

Yep, call a female human "miss" front of people and you can expect up to 6 months of jail and pay 25 000 € (to state, not to her though...)

Gee, i sick less by wanking my meat front of a kid or driving over someone in excess speed with my car (a few years ago, a driver running at 100 km/h in town -limit at 40 usually _ on the pedestrian lane at a bus stop killed a mother and her two daugthers while he was on drugs and drunk... he took "just" 18 months of jail, and of course lost his driving licence...)

So, my fellows, next time you are angry against a woman (for whatever reason), better calm yourself down by running over a pedestrian with your car, it goes cheaper :)
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Djaron:
With "Miss" do you mean Mademoiselle? What the hell is wrong with your country?
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Djaron: here, as it was already the case for public racist or homophobic insults, sexist insults bow added:
6 months jail + 25 000€ fine
source (for those who crave for it) https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F32077
it is a state/official website...

and, YES, that include blonde joke on internet, curse words like bitch or slut (obviously) but also "miss" for that current purpose...

Yep, call a female human "miss" front of people and you can expect up to 6 months of jail and pay 25 000 € (to state, not to her though...)
mmmm, actually the law as read on the government website don't specify the "insults" (thus not including "miss"), ultimately it's up to the judge to decide what's offending and punishable. So it's not really different than from most laws around. It's naturally easier if the plaintiff is backed up by an association like the CCIF or SOS Racisme.
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WBGhiro: What the hell is wrong with your country?
It's a country run by a president with 4% of popularity, what do you expect? :o)
Post edited November 25, 2016 by catpower1980
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Djaron:
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WBGhiro: With "Miss" do you mean Mademoiselle? What the hell is wrong with your country?
exactly, this is "mademoiselle" and right now it falls into "sexist insult" category, penal-wise, thank you very much...

i really decided to go full-psychopath road and adress people around me by the term "meat" or "meat unit", it's perfectly gender neutral and roughly accurate on a strict physical point of view... of course i have to deal with puzzled glances from time to time, but at least i'm not triggering any gender sensibility this way, mind them :)
yes the law doesnt give an exhaustive list of insults (but i clearly heard during assembly debatings that the word "mademoiselle" was now sexist...) and that is why sentences are in the "up to x/y" form, and the judge has to appraise the offense

so of course, unless you ends up being judged by a french anita sarkesian of a judge, you would not get the full 6 month jail and 25 000€ fine, but again it does not only depends on the judge but also the attacking party (if it is a rich and famous person, you can be sure the other guy will get harsher punishment... we had cases with that)
anyway it is a matter of principle, i mean, 6 month jails damnit, and it's penal so it's noted down on your crime record; your wanna be employer will be granted access to your criminal record and that will be on it

welcome to france folks ! :)


we had a "fun" history regarding rich plaintiff managing to get stupid sentences on lower citizens
morano against an internet user commenting on her in humoristic (but truthful) way
former president getting harsh sentence against a guy who publicly yelled "i see you, sarkozy, i see you !" in protest of an occuring police abuse of force
patrick bruel singer getting sentence against someone on internet using his REAL name for defaming him (hey, dude, your REAL name is exactly the one noted down on public website for "legion d'honneur" decoration/medal you were granted for no reason... since when using the name publickly aknowledged by state itself could be diffamation ?)
i could find more weirdass sentences that involved rich/influential arses abusing system and corrupting judge against regular and innocent citizens... last 9 years justice only runs like that here !
Post edited November 25, 2016 by Djaron
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Djaron: errata/addition:

here, as it was already the case for public racist or homophobic insults, sexist insults bow added:
6 months jail + 25 000€ fine
source (for those who crave for it) https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F32077
it is a state/official website...

and, YES, that include blonde joke on internet, curse words like bitch or slut (obviously) but also "miss" for that current purpose...

Yep, call a female human "miss" front of people and you can expect up to 6 months of jail and pay 25 000 € (to state, not to her though...)

Gee, i sick less by wanking my meat front of a kid or driving over someone in excess speed with my car (a few years ago, a driver running at 100 km/h in town -limit at 40 usually _ on the pedestrian lane at a bus stop killed a mother and her two daugthers while he was on drugs and drunk... he took "just" 18 months of jail, and of course lost his driving licence...)

So, my fellows, next time you are angry against a woman (for whatever reason), better calm yourself down by running over a pedestrian with your car, it goes cheaper :)
I love Indre and Auvergne (in fact most of the music I play is from there), but your politics are at least as screwed up as ours...
Post edited November 25, 2016 by Klumpen0815
yes auvergne has stunning landscapes... one side of my family is from there. at least in those rural areas of the very center of the country, we avoid some of the most annoying issues.

also, yes, our politics is completely nuts...
Post edited November 25, 2016 by Djaron
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WBGhiro: With "Miss" do you mean Mademoiselle? What the hell is wrong with your country?
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Djaron: exactly, this is "mademoiselle" and right now it falls into "sexist insult" category, penal-wise, thank you very much...

i really decided to go full-psychopath road and adress people around me by the term "meat" or "meat unit", it's perfectly gender neutral and roughly accurate on a strict physical point of view... of course i have to deal with puzzled glances from time to time, but at least i'm not triggering any gender sensibility this way, mind them :)
IMHO you're doing good. about the only ones I could see being offended on their own behalf would be plantkin
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Djaron: Yep, call a female human "miss" front of people and you can expect up to 6 months of jail and pay 25 000 € (to state, not to her though...)
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Djaron: yes the law doesnt give an exhaustive list of insults (but i clearly heard during assembly debatings that the word "mademoiselle" was now sexist...)
So, you have no actual source for this? All I could find were old news articles about official forms.
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Djaron: yes the law doesnt give an exhaustive list of insults (but i clearly heard during assembly debatings that the word "mademoiselle" was now sexist...)
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plagren: So, you have no actual source for this? All I could find were old news articles about official forms.
well, if you find somewhere anyone who would have kept an archive of videos from the national assembly live stream from the sessions when the law was debated, you'll spot it somewhere inside...
i already wasted 40 hours of my lifetime watching those monkeys flinging poop and building law that at some point completely breached declaration of human rights, or our constitution, or basic common sense, i though didnt think about recording the live feed, let alone keeping such crap... i'd rather fill my hard drive with feminist frequency videos than with THAT honnestly...

but many people here were rather shicked... many people who are active members of french IT-based websites such as numerama and nextinpact (well, former website changed design, turned into web tabloid and erased its old articles database since then, the later was called "pcinpact" at that time but they kept their articles however... so i think searching by the name of the minister, belkacem, could lead to decent results)

i could try to dig back a couple of years backyard, but it will require more motivation than i have to rumage through all that poop atm...
http://www.caminteresse.fr/economie-societe/pourquoi-les-mademoiselle-vont-ils-disparaitre-113909/
that was the official position of state by april 2008, but in next pgovernement after 2012 the minister on top of the "state secretary of solidarity" changed to Najat Vallaud Belkacem, and in her "great law project" for solidarity and equality, what was an official position of "advice" changed into a mandatory one and the law now forbid the use of the word (the "internal memo" that was passed among the administrations ( http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2012/02/21/mademoiselle-disparait-des-formulaires-administratifs_1646538_3224.html ) earlier was just preparing the ground for that...)
if you need more sources, sorry but, at that point do it yourself or call me liar i really dont care... i invite you to come and live in my country if you want to have some fun, you're welcome

when i vaguely mentioned this here on the forum, it was vaguely as a "joke" to somehow "give an humoristic counterweight of whetever we see in usa or elsewhere, because i use to turn into a sarcasm/joke whatever true fact that really infuriate me... but people had me dig back all those monthes of crap and now it doesnt make me laugh at all anymore and get me angry again... dont even know how.if i'll ever be able to attend my next social activity as initially scheduled next week because atm it's completely unadvisable to let me come near any human being without risk of violence...
Post edited November 25, 2016 by Djaron
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Klumpen0815: I love Indre and Auvergne (in fact most of the music I play is from there), but your politics are at least as screwed up as ours...
If you like traditionnal music from the center area of France, i advise you to look (in youtube for example) for songs by Malicorne, an old (as old as i am) french folk band that started/gathered close to my aera in 1976... They are awesome