It'll be interesting what she'll do now, after the KS got cancelled. In her interview, she didn't seem to know who Randi or Zoe were or what GG was. She herself said she doesn't care about the gaming community and her main concern seemed to be why Quinn was so eager to shut down her kickstarter to the extent of lying about being contacted from anti-bullying groups. Ralph ofc just sat there and provided no info even when she said she knew GG from wikipedia only and seemed to be trying to push his on view of ZQ onto her.

The fight will be interesting. Good to know GG won't be involved much.

It's an unethical, incoherent, dogpiling, abusive, harassing site naming and shaming journalists (and a whole lot of other people that aren't journalists) while using their fotos without any kind of permission. An entry on deepfreeze essentially means "we think this person is against gamergate", and it has nothing to do with journalist ethics whatsoever. A three digit number of unsuspecting people are only on that list because their name was found on a completely normal journalist mailing list. Meanwhile, excessive ethical violations by actual journalists reporting on games and gamergate are ignored if said journalists have spoken out in favor of gamergate.

It's an unashamed McCarthyist hitlist.
An express product of callout culture that only exists to foster abuse.

And don't get me started on SJWlist.com. They essentially filled that thing up with data from express nazist "Jew Watch" websites. Not kidding. The SJWlist is a literal Nazi hitlist. Which certainly isn't a surprise coming from Vox Day.

We have to stop the shitty hitlists, OK? And we don't want another one regardless of content.

It's all in the Kickstarter, really. She wants to "break the internet", not being aware that the internet has been running on the fuel of this kind of organized harassment at full speed for years. If you look up the definition of "misguided" in a dictionary, you will find a description of Social Autopsy.

WTF? Where'd you read that?

Sure, Quinn and 4chan are best friends. Ignore e.g. the Yiannopoulos article on the Kickstarter. Ignore the predating long evaluations from basically every journalist or blogger on whatever side stating what a shitty idea that is. Ignore how Ralph et al. picked the story up way before that call.

I say gamergate is factually named after her harassment campaign. Not sure if you ever actually watched the "Burgers & Fries" video that Adam Baldwin linked to. I assure you: the sick abuse doesn't miraculously stop after its name.

I have a very clear cut idea as to where the movement turned to afterwards, and it isn't favorable, but even if for some reason the abusive harassers that undeniably were the founding fathers of gamergate have left the movement for good, I'll say Zoe Quinn would still get to warn people about gamergate, and there's nothing whatsoever suspicious about that.

Well then, time for you to actually watch what she said before the UN. You could not have wished for a more fervent defender of online anonymity, and you could not have hoped for anyone who would protect gamer interests as explicitly (neither Quinn nor Sarkeesian mentioned 'gamergate' or 'games' at all). Quinn has some great and most of all philantropist ideas how to fix this mess, and they don't focus on naming and shaming, they don't focus on legislation, they expressly forbid that online anonymity be infringed. Quinn's is essentially the effort to stop dehumanization and foster the opposite direction.

Through the things she has said and written this past year, I've come to appreciate her opinion on the matter. And I will pre-order the Crash Override book eventually. It's only just an opinion, a perspective, sure enough.

After Quinn's "friends" called Kickstarter and got Owens' project cancelled, I assure you, it wasn't Quinn who fell into a vengeful mood. Quinn and Cie. basically had to first overcome their impression that the Kickstarter was some kind of hoax by 4chan. You know, the guys who brought you freebleeding.

Meanwhile, you can see how Owens, whom I have immense pity with, is posting increasingly erratic, hateful and vengeful messages on twitter. It's Ralph rhetoric, basically, he just has to type it down. :|

And she can not understand what she's doing. Because for her, it's all righteous wrath for having been wronged. Harassment justified because her harassment tool isn't on Kickstarter any more.

Lists are bad, I totally agree with this, and they should just be out of there, but sadly you people started this, and what is definitevely even worse, you did it with a BIG platform, yes with TWITTER, and with your beloved Anita Sarkeesian in the head of it.

Didn't yet see a hitlist on twitter, whoever "you people" is supposed to be.

Meanwhile, Owens wants to relaunch, well, something tomorrow. Maybe she has ironed out the many ways her platform could be abused drawing on an impressive, but rather incomplete list Randi Harper compiled for her.

But even then she's creating a tool for harassment.

It's .it you dolt. Give the OG Fascists some credit.

You mean the literally figurative list of people who will be sent to gulags?

1.You still don't use concrete terms man. ''Dogpiling'', ''unethical'' etc aren't really well defined, especially to be used in an argument. What is factually wrong with deepfreeze exactly? Its a compilation of the thical breaches that can be found anywhere else, but through more time consuming searching. You say it means people on there are there for disagreement and how exactly did you find this out? The guy running it takes info from people who link alleged breaches and classifies any that are found under the categories. What exactly is illegal about that? Defamation?

2.No I meant, she says it can't be abused. How does she intend to do that? ''running on organized harassment for years............'' yeah sure.

3.Owens said it in her interview with Ralph.

4.I wasn't claiming that she did or that she didn't. I say that what happened shouldn't be overlooked. Journalists had been reporting before Quinn called her, and the harassment only started after she called. Ie, fact unclear, situation should not be dismissed.

5.Quinn can warn people all she wants. She's free to do it. Its suspicious when the warned people receives harassment less than an hour later on her private email address she allegedly shared with Zoe. I didn't make concrete statements, because all the facts aren't out. Feel free to do so if you'd like, but it do any good.

6.I don't care what other people think about her. I don't trust her based on the fact that she recieves patreon money and that is likely to increase with her appearance in the news and that she lied to Owens about being contacted by anti bullying organizations, which are the two most recent stuff. Then ofc the harassment of TFYC thats always swept under the rug.

7.Ralph was just existing in that interview. The most she said that can cloud Owen's mind is about ZQ being some kind of ''Queen Bee''. But yeah, she had her kickstarter taken down after journalists reported and nothing happened, then this unknown girl calls her up and talks about ''ruining everything'' and asking her expressly to shut down her project and then she receives harassment and her project is taken down. It could've been for any number of reasons it was taken down, but she associates it with Zoe for some reason. She said she'll be preparing a report, so all we can do is wait and see to what extent she believes ZQ tried to sabotage her.
Its the GGautoblocker. It lists twitter accounts that disagree with SJWs. People who are blocked don't even know they are. They aren't contacted and they can't appeal or ask why they were placed there.

Then we'll see GGers on it. And the harassers will be SJWs.

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This is gold : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWYCc4OOABw

ShadowStalker already replied you, seems you are pretty uninformed for some things, or pretend to be <--- and this last thing is what it really makes you much worse than any of the supposed completely out of sense "nazi" behaviors stupid quotations you did several times in this thread, as you people, yes you people, are really hardcore fans of Goebbels.

Hello abusive person, deepfreeze.it and sjwlist.com are two actually different websites. The ties I mentioned above concern the sjwlist, not deepfreeze. These ties are actually factual.

Quoting actual ad hominem racist abuse for posterity.

I reserve the right to personally find you representative of the gamergate movement.

The modes of abuse are still very much in the process of being defined by hopefully concrete terms, I agree as much. I think we're getting there in a few years.

As to factual incorrectness on that site? I just went to that site, I clicked the first person on that hitlist, the first instance that caught my eye, and I find that Leigh Alexander has supposedly denied being on the gamejournopros mailing list. Interesting. I click the link to the supposed proof. I find that Alexander has denied being on a "secret mailing list" of the "gaming journalism elite" that "decides the fate of the world". Well, everyone would deny that, because such a list doesn't exist. :|

So, caught in a misrepresenting distortion, one that I consider a blatant lie, on first click – impressive. I could go through that list bit by bit, find a few truths but mostly half-truths and actual, unashamed distortions like the one above. In gamergate's most favorite case of 'collusion', which is the most normal mailing list that has ever existed, some people thankfully debated journalist ethics, i.e. talked about whether to report on gamergate and therewith drag Zoe Quinn's private life into the limelight even more. Many agreed they'd rather not report on it. So that's what the fate of the world was destined to be according to the "gaming journalist elite": No reporting on gamergate. Leigh Alexander famously did. See, she can't even adhere to the absolute decisions of that super-secret society she has evidently sworn a blood oath on. Great, that's another deepfreeze achievement for the lady! Contradictory achievements make her climb to the top, sure, but fuck that.

deepfreeze.it is only just a shitty and entirely unethical hitlist, OK?

She can't, she simply can't, I guess we agree on that.

I've been on her twitter account, and my level of compassion for Owens is somewhat still on the rise. Harper has managed to extract the data of 140 persons from the site, data supposedly not publicly available. Owens claims she has thousands of files and the site that data was extracted from wasn't the real site actually. Unfortunately, those 140 persons already are actual, real people.

So apparently a few thousand known, verified, proven online harassers are supposedly lying somewhere on the hard disc of a person that two weeks ago didn't know how harassment works online, who Zoe Quinn was or what gamergate was. Oooookay.

Owens may or may not already have uttered a blatant lie, but she's definitely neck deep in morally questionable argumentation.

She said many things in that interview apparently. Is there a transcript anywhere? Because I sure as hell can't access it.

Then again, Owens has shown the tech knowledge of a Milo Yiannopoulos, i.e. none at all whatsoever. She has shown zero knowledge of the modes of privacy violations that exist. I wouldn't be surprised if people can google that "private" email adress.

The way she describes her conversation with Quinn, I find it very surprising Owen would give her a private email address anyway ...

In any case, the kind of conspiracy theory that KiA and cohorts are now concocting (i.e. all the harassment that "gamergate" supposedly did was actually Zoe Quinn [and her secret army of online abusers, I guess]) is just laughable.

Man, that's a lot of people not to trust. I'd rather mistrust the people paid by the moneybags of the game industry, but that's maybe just me.

The ggautoblocker is a tool for personal use, basically employs the mechanics of an adblocker, and blocks twitter accounts that are in the debate around gamergate. Including people arguing against gamergate (selection is automatic if you follow/retweet certain gamergate agitating twitter accounts). I've found plenty of people possessing knowledge of having been blocked; they can appeal or ask why as far as I know. In any case, the privacy of those mostly anonymous twitter accounts is not violated. If we compare that to what Owen's portal is supposed to do – name & shame – I really don't see an easy comparison. But I'm always open to debating privacy concerns here, especially when a list of supposed transgressors, albeit anonymous ones, can be extracted. There has been a lot of great stuff coming from Harper this last year, but ... unfortunately not exclusively great stuff.

1.That just seems like an excuse to not look deeper. I've looked at many entries and all of them have proof of what they say. Do keep in mind the site has gone through several renovations and now doesn't consider being a part of the list alone as any evidence of impropriety, and have stopped adding people solely for that. Deepfreeze is working exactly as it should. All of the links I clicked take me to archived posts / tweets / articles proving that the accusations are factual. You either came across one that slipped through the gaps or you checked them before first the big site updates. Link any nonfactual thing you can still find.

2.That's what she seems to be saying. And she wants this to be editable by anonymous anyones. She's lacking much knowledge in this department, as you mentioned.

3.Its on his youtube channel. Probably was too lazy to write it down, but glad he did at least this. While I think the interview wasn't conducted with proper skepticism from his part, the information is valuable and good on him for doing it.

4.Read the rest. Her patreon becomes public when she becomes public. She isn't some youtuber or something who produces work that can be shared and a link to a patreon is good enough. She is apparently a game developer (ie; taking donation money for making games) and she hasn't made any recently either. Given that and other incidents such as her lying about being from anti-abuse organizations, harassing other devs, etc, I don't trust her.

5.Deepfreeze is too. GG autoblocker automatically adds people without asking. DF adds journos but also contacts them for their side before doing so in hopes of getting theirs side. And DF has been corrected when factually wrong when it was pointed out. GG autoblocker does none of that. They can appeal, but that's like appealing a ban on Ghazi, they don't consider it their duty to give value to your appeals nor consider it their duty to unban you. DF does, and as I said, its been fact corrected many times.

As to what Owens was / is trying to do, I really don't understand. She alludes as to how her db can't be used in malicious nature, but doesn't say how, and Ralph didn't ask her but just nodded when she said something like ''Zoe said it can be abused by that's not how the product works, you know?''.

Holy shit GOG my long ass reply! Fuck it, I'll reply later.

Post limit?

OMG it lives!

Google: Lazarus plugin. Literal lifesaver for 'long ass replies'.

And that won't change, because neither does she.

Apparently you can search for a full RL name in the database, and you will find the data some anonymous snitches have compiled from other online sources together with online identities and supposed screenshot evidence of harassment. That would be doxing 101.

Owens has just released a long, long blog post detailing in surprising detail that she has no experience with online matters whatsoever, doesn't know about the issues, the people involved or the methods employed. At one point she says explicitly that she doesn't understand how people can do such things. Doesn't understand symptoms ... convinced to have cure.

Her evidence for Zoe Quinn's involvement in attacking her essentially is that the attacks seemingly have stopped at one point. I will probably never understand how that part is even meant. I'm certain that Ralph will have his smoking gun. *rolleyes*

Owens brushes aside Quinn's clear cut humanization efforts, i.e. the only thing that may actually save the internet. Owen lives a world of very bad people that need to be called out and shamed and put out of a job. The formerly mentioned fuel the internet runs on. Revenge. :(

plus one of the attack vectors used against Owens was the email address they gave Quinn.

Quinn humanization efforts? Are you talking about in the interview where Quinn basically said harassers weren't horrible & that they shouldn't be outed?

For posterity we have many accusations of fascism by your part, so, and, is you who love Nazi propaganda style here.

Talking about Fascism, so be in a BIG COMPANY LIST, for "your personal use" is much better than a stupid group of people naming and shaming... you see? you been better informed that you pretend to be, so if you think that LIES portrait you as a good example to follow, good luck.

And racist? what is racist? LOL go to cry to a safe space if you see racism here. You should think why nobody here likes you much (And I dont see any NAZI here, not even bad people, as you called us for using the SJW term) so no wonders about your low reputation, you should just consider, maybe, just maybe, if you are so open minded, that you are not our enlighten savior, maybe you are just WRONG, and not even in your goals, but in the way you try to get them and in the people you follow.

Here is Candace Owens own blog account of what happened (archived)

http://archive.is/Yjg0j

Didnt had time yet to check it, tell you something later.