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The comments section the video is astonishing. So many people are butt-hurt over a game that's just an excuse to show boobs bouncing around. The fact that this caught the ire Carl Benjamin of all people is just the icing on the cake.
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ryannaughton1138: The comments section the video is astonishing. So many people are butt-hurt over a game that's just an excuse to show boobs bouncing around. The fact that this caught the ire Carl Benjamin of all people is just the icing on the cake.
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It's not about the game, it's about the outrage, the outrage against a company until the company feels they have to limit their own audience & then that outrage being directed at another company for being inclusive to that original audience.

I do not play DOA games but at this point if I was able to get this game (PC, no DRM) I would buy it to see just what is so offensive about it that NO ONE should have a choice about getting it or not.

And who are you to demonize physical femininity anyway?
Not trying to start anything here but just out of curiosity, has ryan ever posted in any other threads? :P
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tinyE: Not trying to start anything here but just out of curiosity, has ryan ever posted in any other threads? :P
I'm guessing ryan is an alternate for someone else who does not want their rep tanked on their main account for daring to post in this thread.
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Shadowstalker16: snip
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Brasas: They didn't lose to the Athenian navy. They won the war against Athens pretty decisively - at least the one that really counted - the Peloponnesian War. Sure enough that was aided by Athenian strategic errors, but still.

Things still went up and down a bit with the subsequent Corinthian war. But it was Thebes that knocked down Sparta a peg even later. All of this was in the runnup to Phillip's Macedonian Hegemony, which would lead to Alexander, etc...

You're right the normal view of Sparta is somewhat underwhelming, but that's because most people think of Thermopylae and Leonidas, which was way earlier and in fact represents the birth of Sparta as a power so to speak. It was a mostly symbolic thing, though given that battle's importance in the Greek mythos a pretty big symbol.

The historical reality of Sparta however is not underwhelming at all. They pretty much had hegemony over Greece as a consequence of the Peloponnesian war. They perhaps were not really into being overtly imperialistic though. And I guess in a way that's a very realpolitik lesson: restraint usually does not pay off, unless your concerns are more ethical than political.
After the battle of Pylos, in which 120 spartiates were captured and Sparta's soft underbelly (the helot slave territories) was left exposed, Sparta sued for peace. Unfortunately Cleon and the war party in Athens refused to accept it. Sparta, for once, decided to play in smart; she developed a navy (with Persian help) and started going after Athens' empire. Of course, after the debacle at Syracuse, Athens was finished. Our world would perhaps be very different if the Athenians weren't so foolish.
In the end, Sparta left nothing behind but the reputation she won at Thermopylae, a society with no other purpose than war.
Post edited December 01, 2015 by Cbob60
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tinyE: Not trying to start anything here but just out of curiosity, has ryan ever posted in any other threads? :P
Not too many. I have a theory that Ryan just actually posts here because going to this forum is part of some diversity/sensitivity training program. Some college or instructo-con lesbian social worker is fanning his penchant for prolific political proselytizing and feels he needs time interacting with knuckle dragging me-soggy-kneeists from a bygone era who will probably one day be relocated to Der Frau Furher's concentration camps.
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Cbob60: snip
Are you disagreeing or expanding on what I posted? :) That's what I said pretty much... the Syracuse stuff was the foolish error Athens did in the Peloponnesian war. Sparta won the war decisively due to it and did not lose the war at sea while winning the war in the land. It won both pretty much. Shadow's initial post on this was a popular view, which is based on the strategic focuses of the two city states, but ends up being in error if generalized as he did.

Then in the end, by which I understand a commentary on historical legacy, the other stuff I mentioned happened. For example despite its hegemony, Sparta was very lenient towards Athens - this was also despite Sparta's allies wanting to punish Athens much more severely, which would have been perfectly normal back then.* And further on Sparta's imperialism was very soft and checked by Thebes mainly, at Leuctra I think. Despite being militaristic they were quite non interventionist so to speak - counter intuitively for what the modern perceptions are.

Which I guess is the only point we maybe disagree on. Because your final sentence is a slight misrepresentation. Sparta was no more single minded for war as any other Greek city state. They just went about it differently than most. Still, you kind of make my point that normal perception of Sparta is one thing (war! war! war! Thermopylae!), whereas the underlying reality is somewhat subtler than the greek origin mythos will lead one to believe.

So by the time of Philip, Athens was the main imperialistic rival to Macedon's expansion, which is not to say it had managed to reverse its position vis a vis Sparta. But certainly Athens's colonies were some of the main victims of early Macedonian expansion in the North, and then Athens was the engine trying to counter Philip's progression south. Sparta pretty much sat all of this out - being in the boondocks of it all so to speak. I don't think anyone will argue this is evidence that Sparta didn't count - they chose not to count - which they did often because that's what they believed in - I referred to their ethics earlier.

They were never as imperialist as Athens, and our perceptions of Athens as democratic, therefore the "good guys" whereas Sparta as militaristic therefore "the bad guys" are pretty much ahistorical, and almost reversed IMO. Sure Athens was democratic and Sparta militaristic. But in the context of the era Sparta can be argued to have been the force keeping the expansionist imperialist Athens in check, and therefore the good guys helping the underdogs so to speak.

Until Philip came along and became top dog of it all. As mentioned I don't think they even fought (seriously at least) at all. Certainly by the time Macedonians would get to Sparta they would have had to already control Thebes, Athens and Corinth... the writing was in the wall by then. And by the way, if anyone is into innovative RTS games. The Hegemony series is very nice. I'm playing the first one, set precisely in this era, and having a blast.

* I remember being quite surprised reading Thucydides at the cruelty that was normal towards what we would call prisoners of war, as well civilian populations. The fact we owe the Greeks the word barbaric and they applied it only to foreigners is fortunate for them. In reality they were quite barbaric themselves - per the modern sense.
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Vainamoinen: BAM, gamergaters going full SJW. :) :)
What about your alt accounts? Or my rep that's been going down from 250 ever since I started posting out of your approval? Or the fact that your rep never goes down more than 5 points even if a post is low rated? Either way, nice satire video. Light on dangerous and thought provoking facts and high on snark and smug, just how SJWs like it.
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Vainamoinen: BAM, gamergaters going full SJW. :) :)
No, SJW's go out of their way to take others' rights away to set us all up to fall, giving up your rights gives other's power over you. And I choose not to squander the precious gift that so many have fought & died for.

these are SJWs in action
The 2015 Student Protests
Post edited December 01, 2015 by Rusty_Gunn
More SJ in action : http://i.imgur.com/JO6tT2P.jpg
Here comes a new challenger, Christine Cabanos, Marie Rose's VA in DOA5, weighed in on the DOAX3 controversy: https://twitter.com/ChristineMCVA/status/671509842004054016
And now Koei Tecmo have made an official statement: https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/671690313912598528
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Shadowstalker16: More SJ in action : http://i.imgur.com/JO6tT2P.jpg
I'm currently reading the Peanuts bundle from HB and stumbled upon this yesterday:
http://static04.gog.com/upload/forum/2015/12/e69a8eff3db3e181f0f46e9da12dc53d0627a66e.jpg
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Post edited December 01, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Come to think of it, English version needed English speaking voice actresses. Now that mommy made the muh soggy knees go away, their voice actresses won't be hired for the English version. lol SJWs driving women out of the industry.
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Gonchi: Here comes a new challenger, Christine Cabanos, Marie Rose's VA in DOA5, weighed in on the DOAX3 controversy: https://twitter.com/ChristineMCVA/status/671509842004054016
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