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Shadowstalker16: Liberals vs. Progressives : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0mPfR-K2U
It's a good thing I ended up in Political Science. I can also learn things from the Political side of Sargon of Akkad.

And my goodness Bernie Sanders being pushed aside, TWICE, and why are these people even following Sanders?
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hedwards: I'm not much of a patriot personally, but American refers to citizens of the United States of America. At least in English, I couldn't care less what the similar words in Spanish and Portuguese mean.

This is an education problem, you have people being educated to think of the super-continent and all the people in it as being Americans. But, how often can one honestly make an assertion about all the people in the super-continent that's actually accurate? Even just restricting it to North, South and Central America still makes it difficult to make any meaningful assertions. In the north you've got Canada, the US and Mexico and a total of 3 different languages being spoken (officially) and a pretty wide range of cultural values.

South America has a bunch of languages that are recognized, and even if you stick to the majority language, you're still talking 2 and a bunch of different cultures as well.
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noncompliantgame: Patriotism is a "con" for "laser" fodder. That's not to say one can't admire aspects of ones nationality (to placate the right wing lynch-mob emerging over the hill) - which of course by nationality I include all aspects of society (to placate the left wing lynch-mob emerging over the other hill). However I don't believe it's just a matter of education - altho it's the education [re: indoctrination] system that's been beating everyone over the head with the blunt implement of political correction for 20+ years, it has more to do with the fact that the PC insanity is being thoroughly ramped up. But personally I don't view us as different races, just all members of the human race. No ... wait ... um ...
I can't speak for other countries, but in the US the "patriots" are the ones that seem to be the most likely to hate American values. It's rather disturbing how gung ho they are about making other people suffer for patriotic reasons rather than the patriots having to actually do some suffering for what they believe.
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noncompliantgame: Patriotism is a "con" for "laser" fodder. That's not to say one can't admire aspects of ones nationality (to placate the right wing lynch-mob emerging over the hill) - which of course by nationality I include all aspects of society (to placate the left wing lynch-mob emerging over the other hill). However I don't believe it's just a matter of education - altho it's the education [re: indoctrination] system that's been beating everyone over the head with the blunt implement of political correction for 20+ years, it has more to do with the fact that the PC insanity is being thoroughly ramped up. But personally I don't view us as different races, just all members of the human race. No ... wait ... um ...
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hedwards: I can't speak for other countries, but in the US the "patriots" are the ones that seem to be the most likely to hate American values. It's rather disturbing how gung ho they are about making other people suffer for patriotic reasons rather than the patriots having to actually do some suffering for what they believe.
What's that saying about tyranny being wrapped in the flag?
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Shadowstalker16: I remember Vain saying 'diversity' was some ancient principle. He couldn't provide a source of course.
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Vainamoinen: Oh, where do we start. Say, English literature?

That middle age guy? OBSESSED with diversity. Hmmm. What should I do for my life's epic work? Some thing about kings and princesses and great battles, as is the norm nowadays? Oh, no, wait, how about 29 people of common origin telling stories. Outcasts, dirt poor, women, gay people, what have you.

Or, hey, that renaissance guy? OBSESSED with diversity. Hmmm. What's my protagonist going to be... whoohoo, let's take some black guy for a change. Oh, and hey, let's have two women kicking ass in a courtroom.

You could think of your own examples if you had a brain.
You said it was an ancient principle. Like some virtue only preserved in the past. The examples only show such 'minorities' were INCLUDED and not that this inclusion was any sort of virtue or rule to stick to. They were included for their different perspective they could offer at the time and one certainly cannot say for certain whether they were included because the writers felt some sudden urge to be ''inclusive''.
And what happened to context? If inclusion was such an obsessive element of medieval or renaissance culture, are any of the other traditions? Like slavery and racism and many other stuff.
It seems you're thinking there was a quest for diversity in those time periods solely based on the fact that the minorities were portrayed in art from the time. Which is kinda nonsense since why they were included cannot be ascertained. Ie there can be many reasons; so why this and not something else beyond sheer want of thinking society went backwards?

OR

You say the diversity in those works then answered the same call for diversity we have now. Which also is stupid because those works would've angered some people at least for portraying the minorities then and they would've demanded their removal but it wasn't removed and it survives to this day. Anyhoo, I tried to find the original post but couldn't so feel free to clarify.
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sasuke12: Plus, spending time learning musical instruments is a waste of time unless you plan to make a career out of being a musician.
I disagree. I find that playing in community bands (and an orchestra) to be fun and a great way to meet people. Also, I get exposed to wonderful music, some of which most people have never heard of.
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hedwards: I can't speak for other countries, but in the US the "patriots" are the ones that seem to be the most likely to hate American values. It's rather disturbing how gung ho they are about making other people suffer for patriotic reasons rather than the patriots having to actually do some suffering for what they believe.
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noncompliantgame: What's that saying about tyranny being wrapped in the flag?
Pretty much. The GOP is unapologetically fascist, but they get offended if you suggest that the nationalism, corporatism, xenophobia and fear-mongering don't add up to a fascist agenda.

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Klumpen0815: snip

In the end, that's why I'm reading philosophy and science, training in martial arts as well as building and playing musical instruments on a regular basis on several occasions. Sadly, that doesn't fit too well in modern standards and is seen as a waste of time. I'll be looking like an ancient Greek statue again soon as I did two years ago while playing dancing tunes on my old fashioned accoustic instruments and teaching people some old folk-dances. Oldschool ftw!
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sasuke12: I did all that to make myself a better person and improve the way people look at me and interact with me rather than treating me like some kind of ordinary street dog.

Sadly, you can train a lot in martial arts, but the guy who is jacked up on steroids and bench press 200 pounds will be more famous and surrounded by people rather than someone who does healthy martial arts or studies philosophy.

Plus, spending time learning musical instruments is a waste of time unless you plan to make a career out of being a musician.
Not really, it does depend a bit on the instrument, but many instruments require cross body coordination which is excellent for the brain. Stringed instruments and percussion are particularly good for that whereas brass instruments tend to involve little if any.

If you've been studying martial arts and can't handle that steroid injected gym rat, I'd recommend getting your money back. Steroids make you stronger, they don't make you faster or more agile. In fact, the growing of large muscles greatly reduces the amount of flexibility you have and introduces a ton of weak points as your connective tissues are increasingly vulnerable to the kind of stresses that most martial arts practitioners are taught to exploit.
Post edited September 04, 2015 by hedwards
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noncompliantgame: What's that saying about tyranny being wrapped in the flag?
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hedwards: Pretty much. The GOP is unapologetically fascist, but they get offended if you suggest that the nationalism, corporatism, xenophobia and fear-mongering don't add up to a fascist agenda.

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sasuke12: I did all that to make myself a better person and improve the way people look at me and interact with me rather than treating me like some kind of ordinary street dog.

Sadly, you can train a lot in martial arts, but the guy who is jacked up on steroids and bench press 200 pounds will be more famous and surrounded by people rather than someone who does healthy martial arts or studies philosophy.

Plus, spending time learning musical instruments is a waste of time unless you plan to make a career out of being a musician.
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hedwards: Not really, it does depend a bit on the instrument, but many instruments require cross body coordination which is excellent for the brain. Stringed instruments and percussion are particularly good for that whereas brass instruments tend to involve little if any.

If you've been studying martial arts and can't handle that steroid injected gym rat, I'd recommend getting your money back. Steroids make you stronger, they don't make you faster or more agile. In fact, the growing of large muscles greatly reduces the amount of flexibility you have and introduces a ton of weak points as your connective tissues are increasingly vulnerable to the kind of stresses that most martial arts practitioners are taught to exploit.
Hilary's gonna be next US Prez anyway. With Iran being off limits at least in the short to mid-term and Syria more or less fucked up without a "proper war" they don't need the big war starting party at this point in time, plus they want to push the PC, "left-wing" Marxist etc agenda as far as they can, in that aspect they're attempting to push tradcons over the edge and the return of the Cuckservatives to power would give 'em a false sense of security, almost certainly impeding all those particular efforts they've put into driving various demographics to the edge of violence and madness.
Post edited September 04, 2015 by noncompliantgame
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Shadowstalker16: Liberals vs. Progressives : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH0mPfR-K2U
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Elmofongo: It's a good thing I ended up in Political Science. I can also learn things from the Political side of Sargon of Akkad.

And my goodness Bernie Sanders being pushed aside, TWICE, and why are these people even following Sanders?
Yeah, Sargon sure does have a way to show the big picture.

It looks like they are following him just to deprive him of his freedom of Speech, If you remember @ about 4:50 one called those there "Screaming white racist..." I think to her "White = racist" & by extension so is Bernie Sanders.
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Elmofongo: It's a good thing I ended up in Political Science. I can also learn things from the Political side of Sargon of Akkad.

And my goodness Bernie Sanders being pushed aside, TWICE, and why are these people even following Sanders?
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Rusty_Gunn: Yeah, Sargon sure does have a way to show the big picture.

It looks like they are following him just to deprive him of his freedom of Speech, If you remember @ about 4:50 one called those there "Screaming white racist..." I think to her "White = racist" & by extension so is Bernie Sanders.
What I wonder about is the aggressiveness and hostility with which they approach the podium. It looks like they are one step away from starting a riot and punching people into their faces.
Post edited September 05, 2015 by MaGo72
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Elmofongo: It's a good thing I ended up in Political Science. I can also learn things from the Political side of Sargon of Akkad.

And my goodness Bernie Sanders being pushed aside, TWICE, and why are these people even following Sanders?
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Rusty_Gunn: Yeah, Sargon sure does have a way to show the big picture.

It looks like they are following him just to deprive him of his freedom of Speech, If you remember @ about 4:50 one called those there "Screaming white racist..." I think to her "White = racist" & by extension so is Bernie Sanders.
Him and him alone? Why not deprive people like Rick Perry? Or Mitt Romeny? or hell even Sarah Palin?
http://thegg.net/co-partners/
So I found this nice gaming site from KiA and look who's sponsoring them!
What i don't get is: Why Sanders of all? He's like their best chance, why sabotage him?

Had they done this at a Trump rally i could have understood, but Sanders? I just don't get it
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Shadowstalker16: http://thegg.net/co-partners/
So I found this nice gaming site from KiA and look who's sponsoring them!
They also sponsor TBs E-sports team (Something he has disclosed in the past)
Post edited September 05, 2015 by dragonbeast
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dragonbeast: What i don't get is: Why Sanders of all? He's like their best chance, why sabotage him?

Had they done this at a Trump rally i could have understood, but Sanders? I just don't get it
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Shadowstalker16: http://thegg.net/co-partners/
So I found this nice gaming site from KiA and look who's sponsoring them!
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dragonbeast: They also sponsor TBs E-sports team (Something he has disclosed in the past)
Yea they aren't capable of making the mental distinction between earned privilege and their religion-taught privilege. So they're always be ''if you got something better, you're privileged and I have a right to take it from you''. And this is present in almost all SJ movements, not just political ones.

Yup; at least GOG knows who to pay for getting genuinely interested people.
When you support social justice; keep in mind this is what you're supporting : https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/inside-englands-most-outrageous-college-feminist-facebook-group
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Shadowstalker16: When you support social justice; keep in mind this is what you're supporting : https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/inside-englands-most-outrageous-college-feminist-facebook-group
I know, that the term is mostly used ironically today and most likely also by you, but I'd appreciate if people would stop throwing the term "social justice" around for stuff that is just pure hatred. I've been fighting for actual social justice for some time, mostly for the acceptance of neuro-diversity, not only when it comes to the usual horrific "treatment" of Asperger's Syndrome and ADHD. And I'm often active for animal rights awareness which (to me) is about social justice too. Today I see mostly (neuro)diversity-intolerant, racist, sexist and speciecist people calling out for social justice (while sometimes attacking me) and it's making me sick.

It's like a few years ago when many people in Germany started throwing around the term "platonic love" to use it for "friendship+" which is the exact opposite of what it actually means, but since not many people know the story of Sokrates and Alkibiades behind it (I did actually read Platon in university), it went on for a long time and I'm always horrified by such redefinitions into the opposite meaning. Please don't support this by using the terms as they do and give them their actual meaning back.
At this point, I'm waiting for the day when water is called "fire".
Post edited September 05, 2015 by Klumpen0815