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Linko90: So just to give an overview of the review situation:

1) A number of reviews were posted that exclusively consisted of political rants with no mention of the game's quality or lack of. This is not a review

2) Fake reviews that were both pro and anti-Brexit were posted, they were both deleted equally.

3) The only two review left are reviews that talk about the game and what the game consists of. These are fine, as they're actually reviews.

4) All of the fake reviews were posted by users who did not own the game.

We understand the game is political by nature. Whether you are pro or anti is irrelevant, the key factor is leaving an actual review of the game.

I hope this clears things up.

Your post was locked due to me explaining why reviews were deleted. There was no other value to be gained from it. As for classy, when you refrain from spouting out expletives while ignoring replies to your concerns, you can then talk about classy.

Please act a little more civil. I don't want to be enforcing moderation on people for such things.
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dark___devil: Interesting that all the deleted ones were with one star and pro brexit. When a game is political,criticising the political views of the game are valid reviews in my book. I don't mind the deletion of reviews that didn't own the game....more or less. That is fare,still i kind of doubt it.

Also be kind enough to define "civil" as i didn't insult you in any way.
This isn't your book, however.

I would point out there was an anti-Brexit 5-star review which was also deleted for the reason as the others. This was not simply a case of deleting all pro-Brexit reviews. This was a case of deleting false reviews that were nothing more than political rantings.


As for being civil - 'Fuck you GoG!'

Do I really need to explain how this is not a civil approach?
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dark___devil: Interesting that all the deleted ones were with one star and pro brexit. When a game is political,criticising the political views of the game are valid reviews in my book. I don't mind the deletion of reviews that didn't own the game....more or less. That is fare,still i kind of doubt it.

Also be kind enough to define "civil" as i didn't insult you in any way.
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Linko90: This isn't your book, however.

I would point out there was an anti-Brexit 5-star review which was also deleted for the reason as the others. This was not simply a case of deleting all pro-Brexit reviews. This was a case of deleting false reviews that were nothing more than political rantings.

As for being civil - 'Fuck you GoG!'

Do I really need to explain how this is not a civil approach?
Yes it is not my book,but the money i give to buy games are!

As for the 5 star review that you deleted...i don't really know and i also kind of don't believe you. Seeing how a 5 star popped up with more than 50 approved users in a instant is kind questionable.

The "fuck gog" was from a different thread that you locked. Most like it is a good excuse for locking it. Also since when is insulting a corporation viewed as personal insult?
Ooh. It's gettin' ugly in here. REAL ugly. I'm outa here. Later Goglodytes!
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Wouldn't the situation be solved by gog limiting reviews to people who actually purchased the game? I'm no script-wizard but it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to write something that'd check a person's inventory for said game before they can start to write a review.
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mm324: @Linko90

Wouldn't the situation be solved by gog limiting reviews to people who actually purchased the game? I'm no script-wizard but it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to write something that'd check a person's inventory for said game before they can start to write a review.
After several years feeling differently I'm now all for this, but do you really think it would stop this guy from doing what he's doing now? :P

However I also think that it's too early.

Eventually someone who actually bought/played it and hated it is going to write a review. Until then the resident alex jonesians are going to scream "BIAS!"

TBH, if I was of their mindset and saw the current state of the reviews for it, I might consider that a possibility. Of course after a few seconds I'd come to my senses and realize how insane that is.
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mm324: @Linko90

Wouldn't the situation be solved by gog limiting reviews to people who actually purchased the game? I'm no script-wizard but it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to write something that'd check a person's inventory for said game before they can start to write a review.
Take it one step further and require some play time, but one does not always want to log play time with a corporation.
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mm324: @Linko90

Wouldn't the situation be solved by gog limiting reviews to people who actually purchased the game? I'm no script-wizard but it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to write something that'd check a person's inventory for said game before they can start to write a review.
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Tcharr: Take it one step further and require some play time, but one does not always want to log play time with a corporation.
Yeah that kind of kills it for someone like me who doesn't use Galaxy.

In this case I think we'd be okay with no proof of play time because I seriously doubt anyone is going to plunk down $18 just to rant.
Why are they asking almost €17? It looks rubbish.
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Ziemowiterkens: Why are they asking almost €17? It looks rubbish.
Maybe the developers want to get rich and buy a nice big house for themselves and their families? I don't think anyone forces you to buy that game. I will not buy this, because I too find it to expensive and will wait for a lower price.
This gets into something pretty interesting that should be discussed.

What constitutes a "fake review"?

Here, we should talk about game design, game audiences, and what it means to not be in the target audience.

It is clear that this game has an intentionally polarized target audience... it is hard to say that intentionally spiting your potential purchasers is a good thing; but not being a member of the target audience is a valid point. I do not believe a person who hates FPS Shooters should leave a review saying "All you do is run around shooting people, there's no quests, no experience, no swords... this game sucks."

This game is, however, banking sales based on having a highly polarized fanbase. Take a look at Hatred, I know next to nothing about the game except that the game became much more popular ONLY because of the controversy surrounding it.

If I were to make a game called "Some-Political-Subject Simulator" which sets up strawmen situations which intentionally anger one side, while making another side laugh with joy... all for the sake of sales... it seems fitting that the scoring system should receive negativity.



Games should give the illusion of choice, if you force the player to side with your ideology to enjoy the game, there are going to be negative reviews based on that alone. The game's description makes it sound like you cannot choose to support the evil tyrannical dictator... if you know there are going to be people who want to do this, why not allow it?

Heh, I doubt the game has anything interesting that would happen if played the opposite way it is intended... I often enjoy playing choice games again to see what would happen if I reversed roles and did things much differently but only if it actually has a cool change in the outcome.

What does constitute a "fake review"
As I said before, this is an interesting topic when you're willing to think about it. The tone changes all the time based on whether you agree with the views expressed by the "fake reviews" or disagree with them. Should it not be up to the individual to determine if a review is fake or not?

I, for instance, find the review that moonlighter does not have mouse support to be a valid point... even though it has little to do with the game and that the individual likely didn't play it long. Whether the problems in a review are applicable to you can only be decided by you, and you alone!

It is hard to ignore that this game is trying to take advantage of the polarized market to reap lots of $$$$, I find those type of antics to be disgusting. Other people don't like the lack of Polish support... other's don't like needing DRM for online play.... others don't like the lack of diversity... others don't like lots of things. Who are we to say that those topics do not deserve mentioning?
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Merranvo: This gets into something pretty interesting that should be discussed.

What constitutes a "fake review"?

Here, we should talk about game design, game audiences, and what it means to not be in the target audience.

It is clear that this game has an intentionally polarized target audience... it is hard to say that intentionally spiting your potential purchasers is a good thing; but not being a member of the target audience is a valid point. I do not believe a person who hates FPS Shooters should leave a review saying "All you do is run around shooting people, there's no quests, no experience, no swords... this game sucks."

This game is, however, banking sales based on having a highly polarized fanbase. Take a look at Hatred, I know next to nothing about the game except that the game became much more popular ONLY because of the controversy surrounding it.

If I were to make a game called "Some-Political-Subject Simulator" which sets up strawmen situations which intentionally anger one side, while making another side laugh with joy... all for the sake of sales... it seems fitting that the scoring system should receive negativity.

Games should give the illusion of choice, if you force the player to side with your ideology to enjoy the game, there are going to be negative reviews based on that alone. The game's description makes it sound like you cannot choose to support the evil tyrannical dictator... if you know there are going to be people who want to do this, why not allow it?

Heh, I doubt the game has anything interesting that would happen if played the opposite way it is intended... I often enjoy playing choice games again to see what would happen if I reversed roles and did things much differently but only if it actually has a cool change in the outcome.
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What does constitute a "fake review"
As I said before, this is an interesting topic when you're willing to think about it. The tone changes all the time based on whether you agree with the views expressed by the "fake reviews" or disagree with them. Should it not be up to the individual to determine if a review is fake or not?

I, for instance, find the review that moonlighter does not have mouse support to be a valid point... even though it has little to do with the game and that the individual likely didn't play it long. Whether the problems in a review are applicable to you can only be decided by you, and you alone!

It is hard to ignore that this game is trying to take advantage of the polarized market to reap lots of $$$$, I find those type of antics to be disgusting. Other people don't like the lack of Polish support... other's don't like needing DRM for online play.... others don't like the lack of diversity... others don't like lots of things. Who are we to say that those topics do not deserve mentioning?[/i]
I explained what makes a false review. I'll say this again, to be crystal clear -

The reviews were posted by people who do not own the game. The reviews consisted of pure political views, not a mention of the game, be it gameplay, language support or controller/mouse support.

These reviews offer no value. They do not reflect the quality, or lack of, of the game itself. They do not express a view on what the game does well, or what it fails to do.
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I can understand the desire to keep reviews relevant, but "relevant" is going to differ from person to person. Furthermore, censoring reviews is a dangerous game because where, really, do you draw the line? If the person leaving the review thinks that the game's overt political stance is a reason to warn others away from it, is that really so bad? The game is deliberately political, so would political commentary not be relevant? With that said, I can't really get behind people abusing the review system to engage purely in political soapboxing, either. I don't like the idea of GOG becoming yet another political battleground.

I like the idea of making reviews possible only to purchasers of the game, but that could have its own issues. GOG's focus on retro titles means that people will sometimes be leaving legitimate reviews for games they've played in the past but haven't purchased through GOG, and I find that information valuable. Still, restricting reviews to purchasers would be better, I think, than going down the road of removing them for their content, because again, where is the line drawn?
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tinyE: Yeah that kind of kills it for someone like me who doesn't use Galaxy.

In this case I think we'd be okay with no proof of play time because I seriously doubt anyone is going to plunk down $18 just to rant.
Especially on multiple fake accounts. Even if they do, GOG and the game dev win and get the sales, so... IT seems reasonable.
I agree with those who say that only people who own the games should be able to write reviews. I understand that GOG's userbase used to be small so any kinds of reviews were welcome, but I hope this has changed.
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Linko90: These reviews offer no value. They do not reflect the quality, or lack of, of the game itself. They do not express a view on what the game does well, or what it fails to do.
False because they describe the politically loaded qualities of the game; particularly of a politically loaded game.

But we all know what GOG.com's SJW employees are doing here: trying to drum up sales for a shitty indie developer that shares their toxic ideals; likely at a push from the ridiculous anti-gamer journalists they love like VG24/7 - see the Postal incident for another example of how cancerous GOG.com has become.

The lesson is simple: do not buy games on GOG.com. Get woke? Go broke.
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