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Is their care about what the user think, the first thing that their are to make, is to stop making those oversized UI's for the desktop. How their pretend that people use UWP apps if theses need twice of screen space to show the same amount of data that their Win32 counterparts?
On the survey at the 40% mark, there was a textbox option to write "GOG" in there. But I have no idea if MS will actually read the survey...
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IronArcturus: On the survey at the 40% mark, there was a textbox option to write "GOG" in there. But I have no idea if MS will actually read the survey...
i did
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timppu: I guess that's the problem in itself (and that it costs money). Not sure why, but many Linux distros seem to suggest turning secure boot off.
It cost 99$, once, not exactly the costliest of investment even for a small sized distro.

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timppu: Also, doesn't it cause issues if you want to e.g. run installed Linux from an external USB device (e.g. a flash drive or USB hard disk)?
Depends of the "bios", if the UEFI support "legacy" boot options for CD/USB then will boot anything, even with secure boot enabled. All the UEFIs I have played until now (from cheap laptop to DELL servers) have the option, but again it's up to the manufacturer whenever or not the legacy boot option is be available.

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timppu: It shouldn't be left to the manufacturer as many will get lazy and just drop the ability to disable it.
Maybe but how is it Microsoft responsibility ? If the manufacturer gets lazy they could also decide to remove the option to boot from an UBS key or on a CD or stop supporting UEFI incompatible OSes, it wouldn't be Ms fault either.

If Ms was forcing manufacturers to remove the option then I would agree that it would be a dick move, but here it's just them no longer making this option mandatory now that they no longer officially sell an OS not supporting secure boot (i.e. Windows 7)

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timppu: At least there is no option to disable (nor enable) anywhere in the options anymore, or then they have made it very complicated how it is done.
Asus are usually pretty got a giving a lot of options in their bios, I doubt they would have removed this option, especially on a gaming laptop and even more on an older laptop. I suspect they probably just changed the layout of the menu and move this option somewhere else. Often it's either on the "boot" or "security" section.
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Gersen: All the UEFIs I have played until now (from cheap laptop to DELL servers) have the option, but again it's up to the manufacturer whenever or not the legacy boot option is be available.

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Maybe but how is it Microsoft responsibility ? If the manufacturer gets lazy they could also decide to remove the option to boot from an UBS key or on a CD or stop supporting UEFI incompatible OSes, it wouldn't be Ms fault either.

If Ms was forcing manufacturers to remove the option then I would agree that it would be a dick move, but here it's just them no longer making this option mandatory now that they no longer officially sell an OS not supporting secure boot (i.e. Windows 7)
Secure boot is a requirement issued by MS for MS certification since W10 on x86.
Secure boot permanently ON is a requirement issued by MS for MS certification since W10 on non-x86.

Certification means discount for OEM preinstallations. No certification = regular W. price = manufacturer out of business in MS area.

This is the same thing as with DirectX and you are using the same braindead excuse.

In the area they have over 50% of market, they issue price reductions on permanent basis.
They demand getting you in bed for said price reduction.
If you refuse, you are out of the market.
If you agree, they will screw you as they see fit.

This includes NDAs and new "certifications".
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Gersen: UEFI secure boot doesn't make it any trickier to install non-Windows OSes... it only make it trickier to install OSes who don't have a valid UEFI secure boot key. Several Linux distro (e.g. Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat entreprise, etc...) supports secure boot out of the box, for the others it's a one time 99$ fee for the license IRC.
It does. The key check is done by hardware and can't be removed, the master private key is available only to MS. The RedHat(Fedora/RH) and Canonical (Ubuntu) were pushed into the schema by force or they would be out of the market. This "license" is useless, because it restricts the way what software END USER can run. This is a hardware DRM invented and pushed by MS.
What Microsoft inserted was a trigger for ETW. ETW which is the local low level even logging used by Window to monitor applications since... well... since Windows NT. ([url=https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb968803(v=vs.85).aspx]https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb968803(v=vs.85).aspx[/url]) Most Windows drivers, components and programs uses ETW.

The only difference was that before, for CPP program build with VS, it was an opt in feature, you had to link the ETW libs yourself, but starting with VS2015 Update 2 automatically linked some ETW libs. (It was removed with the recently released Update 3)

What it means was that if somebody was running an ETW listener (e.g. PerfView) on the same computer than the one running said CPP program he would be able to listen to said triggers and tell when the program was starting, stopping, crashing, etc...

For information, .NET uses ETW internally, so every single .NET programs running on Windows send tons of events to ETW. ([url=https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd264810(v=vs.110).aspx]https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd264810(v=vs.110).aspx[/url])
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Gersen: UEFI secure boot doesn't make it any trickier to install non-Windows OSes... it only make it trickier to install OSes who don't have a valid UEFI secure boot key. Several Linux distro (e.g. Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat entreprise, etc...) supports secure boot out of the box, for the others it's a one time 99$ fee for the license IRC.
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Lin545: It does. The key check is done by hardware and can't be removed, the master private key is available only to MS. The RedHat(Fedora/RH) and Canonical (Ubuntu) were pushed into the schema by force or they would be out of the market. This "license" is useless, because it restricts the way what software END USER can run. This is a hardware DRM invented and pushed by MS.
The master key that is only available from Microsoft IS Microsoft master key; it's like saying that Verisign master key is only available from Verisign.

Ms doesn't have the exclusivity on master keys, technically anybody could have its own master key installed by default given of course that they convince manufacturers to do it.

If they use Ms key it's mostly because it's easier and much cheaper than buying your own master key and then convince every single "bios" manufacturer to include it.

But saying that secure boot in itself is "DRM" is silly, it's like saying that SSL is also a DRM because you have to rely on some external trusted root key before you can sign anything.

Where I do kind of agree however is that all bios should have the option to let users install they own master keys for secure boot in the same way that most OSes let you install you own root key if you want to use self sign certificate or simply don't want to buy a key from Verisign.

At least there should be a list of certificate authorities able to issues key that would then be included by default in all UEFI bios but we are not there yet.
Post edited July 10, 2016 by Gersen
I hope you all used the chance to ask MS to release Freelancer on gog ;)
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anothername: I hope you all used the chance to ask MS to release Freelancer on gog ;)
Release anything actually... But good luck with that.
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anothername: I hope you all used the chance to ask MS to release Freelancer on gog ;)
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Cavalary: Release anything actually... But good luck with that.
I don't think it will do anything, but at least I tried. Since I also called Win10 an attention seeking leghumper it will end up on the blind side on whomever from MS goes trough these polls anyway.

In all seriousness I don't know what kind of marketing ploy this is supposed to be. The MS I know has a plan about global household dominance, everything connected & complete control over it. To whatever goes against it, (mostly) no matter the resistance, they are in complete denial and try to "brute" their way. Thats the reason why we can have such hilarious situations like the humiliating X-Bone One presentation but also why we have this disgustingly desperate Win10 alert on Win7/8 PCs. They don't care about short term loss unless its too much to be denied like when they back-paddled on some of the XB1 stuff.

Would Freelancer or any other Game from when MS also made games be nice on gog? Hell yeah, they had quite some talent and all their games where rock solid. But unless something in MS company philosophy changed gog stands for everything MS does not. I'd rather expect a scheme in which they offer Win10 versions of their old games as a streamed only games for "free" if you get win10.
GRWX

(Get Rid of Windows 10)

:)
They adressed a issue with LED on x1 controller being to bright in darker setting for X1, but that issue is prevalent for W10 on pc. Furthermore wireless and elite x1 controller can be configured with Xbox Accessories app but not wired.
Yet they have the gall to claim "W10 - best windows for gaming".
Post edited July 10, 2016 by ZeroDrm
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nightcraw1er.488: ... Never seen the point in tablets/surface ...
That is of course your right. Just wanted to answer the question if there are products that Microsoft has been working on and improving them. For me they have.