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Kind of funny... I don't see the point really. My big question is "what's in it for me?" To tell Microsoft the things they want to know that is. Will they pay me money for my information? No. What do I get out of it? I don't buy Microsoft games for Windows or Xbox and have no interest in them in general. Not only that, but come 2020 I plan to not use Windows anymore so it's kind of a moot point for me. Spend my time to fill out a survey that contributes to helping Microsoft make more profit? Naw, personally I hope they crash and burn.
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skeletonbow: Kind of funny... I don't see the point really. My big question is "what's in it for me?" To tell Microsoft the things they want to know that is. Will they pay me money for my information? No. What do I get out of it? I don't buy Microsoft games for Windows or Xbox and have no interest in them in general. Not only that, but come 2020 I plan to not use Windows anymore so it's kind of a moot point for me. Spend my time to fill out a survey that contributes to helping Microsoft make more profit? Naw, personally I hope they crash and burn.
It's a wonder people are not suposed to pay them to answer their survey. I mean, we do live in the times of people paying the developers to beta test their games :P
Post edited July 09, 2016 by Breja
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mechmouse: I'm fully aware how poor UWP apps perform compared to standard windows programs, however

Windows Store will allow 10 concurrent uses of a license

Steam will (by default) only allow a one game from an entire library at any time.
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Gilozard: And that single issue is enough for you to say that MS cares more about gamers? Despite everything else they've done and continue to do?

Well you do you, but don't be surprised when people disagree.
I think VALVes attitude to legitimate license usage is indefensible
VALVe does not care about gamers, it cares about money.
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phaolo: Wait, even Microsoft wants to start gambling now? :P
They already have. Last month Microsoft bought LinkedIn for $26 billion. You can't get more of a gamble than that.
The only thing Microsoft has done on the subject of PC gaming in the past decade is say "we're really going to try and get around to doing something this time. No really. This time we mean it. Promise!" right before going back to doing nothing. Well, nothing other than GFWL.. which was an abomination.
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mechmouse: VALVe does not care about gamers, it cares about money.
That, I assure you, is the case everywhere. It's only a matter of a)how well is the company in question hiding it, and b)what is their particular strategy of making money.
If they care about PC gaming, why don't they just stop fucking with it?

Edit: Okay, took the survey and told them what I think would make the PC gaming experience better.

"Get rid of DRM. Get rid of region blocks. Get rid of the Windows Store."

I wonder what they're going to do with my sage advice...
Post edited July 09, 2016 by Randalator
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Randalator: "Get rid of DRM. Get rid of region blocks. Get rid of the Windows Store."

I wonder what they're going to do with my sage advice...
This is paraphrased from memory so nevermind my mistakes.


Just imagine someone going into the enlisting office and singing 'you can get anything you want, at Alice's restaurant' and walking out? What if two of them came in and sang in harmony? Ten people a day; You'd get enough people and you'd start a movement, and most of them wouldn't be old enough to know what a movement was - Arlo Guthrie
If Microsoft really cared about PC gaming then they would stop screwing people out of playing their older games on Windows 10. Certain games that use the Starforce Protection (like Pariah) point blank wount run on 10 as they removed a needed driver for it (which was disabled on 7/81, but could be re-enabled) due to "security".

So now we have to mess about with patches to remove the protection (and even then not every patch does remove it, so it can take a bit of time.)
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Randalator: If they care about PC gaming, why don't they just stop fucking with it?

Edit: Okay, took the survey and told them what I think would make the PC gaming experience better.

"Get rid of DRM. Get rid of region blocks. Get rid of the Windows Store."

I wonder what they're going to do with my sage advice...
I did that too, why they are not bringing games that are over a year old and cracked over to GoG? Since the game DRM is already cracked.
Yeah, I'd prefer if MS would stop its obvious attempts to lock down the Windows platform into a console platform, bit by bit.

On the same note, I don't like how UEFI Secure Boot makes it trickier to install alternative (non-Windows) OSes to the system, and last I heard MS is even dropping the requirement for "PC" vendors to offer a way for the user to disable it. A blatant attempt to make PCs Windows-only platform, curbing Linux, SteamOS and such.

The more MS does this, the more I start wishing Android platforms become the next "PC". Google openly allows alternative app stores to operate in the system (e.g. Humble Bundle's store and app), and more and more Android devices let users to install Cyanogen mods or such (alternative OSes), without the need of rooting the device. Then again, some things have become more restricted in newer Android versions I think, like the usage of the external SD memory...

Anyway, maybe in the future people will be running some Windows emulator on Android devices and playing old Windows games there... :)
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Gilozard: Are you high? Or have you just not followed the debacle of games from the MS store?
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mechmouse: I'm fully aware how poor UWP apps perform compared to standard windows programs, however

Windows Store will allow 10 concurrent uses of a license

Steam will (by default) only allow a one game from an entire library at any time.
Also I don't like much of Valve's tactics, you are wrong with this, Steam by default, allow you to install the client and the games in as many systems as you like, only that you cannot go online in more that one at time, but its allow to "left" the games to other accounts, so their can play the games that you aren't actually playing.
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mechmouse: I'm fully aware how poor UWP apps perform compared to standard windows programs, however

Windows Store will allow 10 concurrent uses of a license

Steam will (by default) only allow a one game from an entire library at any time.
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DalekSec: Also I don't like much of Valve's tactics, you are wrong with this, Steam by default, allow you to install the client and the games in as many systems as you like, only that you cannot go online in more that one at time, but its allow to "left" the games to other accounts, so their can play the games that you aren't actually playing.
I think you meant "LEND" not "left"
and I think you're on about the Family Sharing System.

If so then you are incorrect.

The only way for me to play CIV5 from my library and my daughter to play a different game, is to use Steam in offline mode. And If valve could figure away to stop that I'm sure they would.
M$ listen to user base, since when?
Office - since ribbons has got progressively worse
Hotmail - since outlook.com is now completely broken even on ie
Internet Explorer - worst possible browser for many iterations
Win vista - OMG its so bad
Win 8 - its nearly as bad as vista
Win 10 - spyware, dropped drivers, sneaky installs etc.
gFWL - or dead as you might say
Silverlight - lasted a.few.months
XNA - discontinued
I mean, can anyone think of a single product from them which has improved over the last few years, even with thier "tells us what you think" boxes appearing everywhere?
Funny thing is that Valve collects all the data these guys are asking in the questionaire automatically (i.e. specs of the system, play time, peripherals, genre).

So if Microsoft really wants to find out: programm a client like Steam, Galaxy, Uplay or Origin. Cannot be that difficult.

Oh wait. That's what Universal Apps for Windows is already all about. Ok then. No need to ask really.