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omega64: Fair enough, By the way it would be a dutch address not Netherlandsian. :P
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timppu: Yes but Netherlandsian sounds way cooler, "dutch" is me sneezing.
I would say Dutch is confusing as german is deutsch.
Post edited February 18, 2016 by omega64
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hedwards: AFAIK those are cases where one government or another banned the game and Mr. Gog turns a blind eye to people that buy copies for use in those regions.

I don't believe there are any games like that. Games like that wouldn't be made at all as the publishers are the ones that usually make those decisions. The government isn't legally allowed to ban games due to the 1st amendment.
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Gnostic: https://banned-videogames.silk.co/page/The-Guy-Game-United-States
That game wasn't banned, they lacked the permission to use the footage they took. That's completely different from what you're implying here.
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timppu: No, because I can still install the DRM-free game installer from my USB flash drive even in Germany. If the installer would refuse to work on German Windows or because the system has a German IP address, then that would be DRM, at least if the purpose really is to prevent the installer from working on a German PC.

That again is similar to that I could ask my game to be delivered from the store to my Netherlandsian address, but not my German address. It is part of the delivery service, not using the product itself (usage includes also the installation of the product).
Ok, another example. I buy a game while I'm in the USA and download it just fine. Then I move to Germany and the game gets a patch. Like so often I have to redownload the whole game to get the patch, but GOG won't allow it, because I'm in Germany now. That's not DRM?
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hedwards: That game wasn't banned, they lacked the permission to use the footage they took. That's completely different from what you're implying here.
Well... the issue was that one of the girls flashing the camera turned out to be 17, so they could no longer sell it. That would make it illegal in the US.
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timppu: No, because I can still install the DRM-free game installer from my USB flash drive even in Germany. If the installer would refuse to work on German Windows or because the system has a German IP address, then that would be DRM, at least if the purpose really is to prevent the installer from working on a German PC.

That again is similar to that I could ask my game to be delivered from the store to my Netherlandsian address, but not my German address. It is part of the delivery service, not using the product itself (usage includes also the installation of the product).
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PaterAlf: Ok, another example. I buy a game while I'm in the USA and download it just fine. Then I move to Germany and the game gets a patch. Like so often I have to redownload the whole game to get the patch, but GOG won't allow it, because I'm in Germany now. That's not DRM?
I don't think so because you still have the game itself and can play it with no issue. What you are describing is still just regional restriction. DRM would be if you went to Germany and you were prevented from even using the game.
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synfresh: I don't think so because you still have the game itself and can play it with no issue. What you are describing is still just regional restriction. DRM would be if you went to Germany and you were prevented from even using the game.
I would say it's a little more than regional restriction. In the case I describe I might be cut off from (new) content or in case of important fixes even from the ability to play the game (without issues). Or what happens when there's a new OS and I can't redownload the game, because of the so-called regional restriction? In that case they would take away my possibility to play the game.
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synfresh: I don't think so because you still have the game itself and can play it with no issue. What you are describing is still just regional restriction. DRM would be if you went to Germany and you were prevented from even using the game.
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PaterAlf: I would say it's a little more than regional restriction. In the case I describe I might be cut off from (new) content or in case of important fixes even from the ability to play the game (without issues). Or what happens when there's a new OS and I can't redownload the game, because of the so-called regional restriction? In that case they would take away my possibility to play the game.
If you live in Germany but went somewhere else where it is not banned to buy it, you effectively were trying to go around the regional restriction. Nobody is going to feel sorry for you. Your options at that point would be VPN I guess.

Perhaps someone can shed light on what if this happens if you live in a country that has banned a game, but you were gifted it instead of buying it (assuming there is no gift ban). How would you get game updates in that sense? Does the distributor still not allow you to get anything if the game is in your library?
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synfresh: If you live in Germany but went somewhere else where it is not banned to buy it, you effectively were trying to go around the regional restriction. Nobody is going to feel sorry for you. Your options at that point would be VPN I guess.
That's not what I said in my example. There are many reasons why you would move to another country. You could be a citizen of the USA and move to Germany for a job.
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synfresh: If you live in Germany but went somewhere else where it is not banned to buy it, you effectively were trying to go around the regional restriction. Nobody is going to feel sorry for you. Your options at that point would be VPN I guess.
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PaterAlf: That's not what I said in my example. There are many reasons why you would move to another country. You could be a citizen of the USA and move to Germany for a job.
Right but traveling to the USA and buying something there and then going back is the same thing as using VPN, you are just physically doing it. I always understood region restriction based on country of origin, not what your citizenship is. If you live in a country you are supposed to follow their rules (in this example Germany). I still don't think that's DRM.

Think of it like customs. There are certain things that are banned from entering the country. If you go abroad and buy something that is banned and then travel back, customs will not allow you to bring it in.
Post edited February 18, 2016 by synfresh
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synfresh: Right but traveling to the USA and buying something there and then going back is the same thing as using VPN, you are just physically doing it. I always understood region restriction based on country of origin, not what your citizenship is. If you live in a country you are supposed to follow their rules (in this example Germany). I still don't think that's DRM.
You do understand that it is completely legal for Germans to buy most banned games in the USA, don't you? Using a VPN to circumvent them detecting where you are when purchasing seems like a very different legal matter to me.

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synfresh: Think of it like customs. There are certain things that are banned from entering the country. If you go abroad and buy something that is banned and then travel back, customs will not allow you to bring it in.
But they aren't, that's the point. We are allowed to own and import almost all games, the exceptions are largely the same as in any other western society.

Anyway, it may or may not be considered DRM, but it is unacceptable and once I've bought a game intolerable.
No. GOG shouldn't accept more games with regional restrictions!
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Impaler26: No. GOG shouldn't accept more games with regional restrictions!
Why not? How do you feel about the current games GOG sells that you're currently restricted from purchasing? Whether GOG is legally prohibited to sell a game in a particular region or publisher prohibited, the end result is still the same to the customer left out in the cold. Also, it's not as if every publisher is twirling their evil mustaches looking to exclude people. Often times they are legally bound by regional agreements they've signed with big box stores selling physical copies or their games are console exclusives in say Japan because there is less of a PC market.
Post edited February 18, 2016 by Barry_Woodward
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PaterAlf: Ok, another example. I buy a game while I'm in the USA and download it just fine. Then I move to Germany and the game gets a patch. Like so often I have to redownload the whole game to get the patch, but GOG won't allow it, because I'm in Germany now. That's not DRM?
No, it is just GOG putting restrictions on the delivery of the patch, just like they did with the original game you have on the flash drive. The patch still doesn't have DRM, but it has delivery restrictions.

It is the same that if you bought a vacuum cleaner and the store delivered to your USA home address. Then you move to Germany with the vacuum cleaner and the store informs your that your vacuum cleaner got a box of disposable dust bags for free, but they won't deliver it to Germany because of German's disposable dust bag ban.

Grazy Germans. I don't know why they make stupid bans like that. Maybe because they are grazy.
Why are we talking about download restrictions? That's not something GOG does.
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Barry_Woodward: Why are we talking about download restrictions? That's not something GOG does.
We are talking theoretically. Once you'll bring more regional restricted games to GOG, you'll need a system to really enforce what the publishers want. Download and gifting restrictions or regional blocks would be a logical consequence.