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FrostburnPhoenix: But there already are warnings for 17+. (But not as far as I'm aware 16+.)
Oh, there are? That's news to me! Do you happen to have a link to one of those? I've only seen the "This game contains mature content recommended only for ages 18+" warning page.
If a 17+ warning exists, then I really don't see why they're not using that instead for Senran Kagura.


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FrostburnPhoenix: The problem is anime prejudice, and GOG staff have confirmed this by responding to me, saying that they use "their own standards".
:(

Anime prejudice makes me sad. We've had translated games released worldwide for what... over 2 decades now? I don't understand how people can still misunderstand so much after all this time.

But... Based on GOG's behaviour on the whole, I don't think they themselves are prejudiced? Given the no-fuss releases of titles that Steam rejected, and some pretty out-there games too, I'd say GOG is on our side.
I reckon it's because they're overly wary of certain prejudiced customers, possibly even payment processors. You can see that from how GOG overreacts to certain countries' policies, and outright blacklist those citizens from accessing some games.
But that's just what I figure, from my position as an outsider and observer. I'm probably full of shit lol


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FrostburnPhoenix: What type of content are you referring to? That would be great for certain things, if they were actually marked properly.
I wasn't referring to any specific content, just more a blanket warning "These games are NSFW" (but don't contain 18+ content, hence they're 16/17+) and "These games contain 18+ content" (18+ content being whatever content rating boards use to classify as such)

I don't want them to get any deeper into specifics though. I fear if GOG gets deep into age ratings, inevitably that leads to people demanding they list individual contents/warnings/triggers/whatever. *That* becomes endless.
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milkyhighway: Anime prejudice makes me sad. We've had translated games released worldwide for what... over 2 decades now? I don't understand how people can still misunderstand so much after all this time.

But... Based on GOG's behaviour on the whole, I don't think they themselves are prejudiced? Given the no-fuss releases of titles that Steam rejected, and some pretty out-there games too, I'd say GOG is on our side.
I reckon it's because they're overly wary of certain prejudiced customers, possibly even payment processors. You can see that from how GOG overreacts to certain countries' policies, and outright blacklist those citizens from accessing some games.
But that's just what I figure, from my position as an outsider and observer. I'm probably full of shit lol

I don't want them to get any deeper into specifics though. I fear if GOG gets deep into age ratings, inevitably that leads to people demanding they list individual contents/warnings/triggers/whatever. *That* becomes endless.
The double standards are just sickening:

https://i.postimg.cc/cLpwQ19h/CB001.png
https://i.postimg.cc/vBznFrQ2/CB002.png
https://i.postimg.cc/1zD6MxbQ/SV001.png
https://i.postimg.cc/501zR7MF/SV002.png

It's not like Shinovi Versus is a new indie game or something, counting the original Japanese Vita release, it's almost a decade old, it's not like they couldn't Google the ESRB rating. If I was working at XSEED/Marvelous or Tamsoft, I'd be insulted.
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Arinielle:
Put the link directly into the post without the url tags. I Believe the url tags work like this [urlgoeshere=]linktextgoeshere[/url] but I think I messed it up the only time I tried using it so don't take my word for it.

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milkyhighway: Oh, there are? That's news to me! Do you happen to have a link to one of those? I've only seen the "This game contains mature content recommended only for ages 18+" warning page.
If a 17+ warning exists, then I really don't see why they're not using that instead for Senran Kagura.
https://www.gog.com/game/death_end_request
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milkyhighway: But... Based on GOG's behaviour on the whole, I don't think they themselves are prejudiced? Given the no-fuss releases of titles that Steam rejected, and some pretty out-there games too, I'd say GOG is on our side.
I reckon it's because they're overly wary of certain prejudiced customers, possibly even payment processors. You can see that from how GOG overreacts to certain countries' policies, and outright blacklist those citizens from accessing some games.
I Was probably overreacting about that.
Okay, yeah, that's bullshit then.
The amount of nudity and the tone/context in both games is not the same. SK does have some pretty risque outfits but they're not straight-up nudity or even in a sexual context (I mean, yes it is sexualised, but they're not attempting intercourse) unlike in CP2077.

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FrostburnPhoenix:
Thanks for the link. Didn't realise Der;Q doesn't have a warning at all. These decisions are making less and less sense :v
And you're fine, I don't think it was an overreaction at all.

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Arinielle:
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FrostburnPhoenix: I Believe the url tags work like this [urlgoeshere=]linktextgoeshere[/url] but I think I messed it up the only time I tried using it so don't take my word for it.
Ah, that should be [url=http://url goes here]link text goes here[/url] if you want manual control over the tags.
Post edited August 11, 2022 by milkyhighway
I'd like to make some things clear regarding the ongoing discussion in this thread.

First of all let me point out the fact that there's no ESRB rating for the PC release of the game in question. Legal-wise, it's not as easy to say the rating is 17+ on PC just because it was 17+ on PSV.

Secondly, the content warning on the product page is there to protect those who are not keen on seeing sexual content while browsing the store. Comparisons to other titles without content warning (or with a lower one) are pointless when screenshots clearly indicate what the focus of the game is.

Lastly, the subject was consulted with our legal department and due to game's aforementioned themes and main focus, it has been decided that this was the best path to take. So yes, the content warning is correct in our opinion.
Post edited August 12, 2022 by Clownski_
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Clownski_: Secondly, the content warning on the product page is there to protect those who are not keen on seeing sexual content while browsing the store. Comparisons to other titles without content warning (or with a lower one) are pointless when screenshots clearly indicate what the focus of the game is.
Except you use the 17+ warning for games with the clearly same focus that also don't have PC ESRB ratings.
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FrostburnPhoenix: Except you use the 17+ warning for games with the clearly same focus that also don't have PC ESRB ratings.
Unless I missed such a release, I don't think we're using 17+ warning for other games that also depict damage by the deterioration of young looking girls' outfits.
In any case, that's the furthest I'm gonna delve into this subject.
Post edited August 12, 2022 by Clownski_
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Clownski_: I'd like to make some things clear regarding the ongoing discussion in this thread.
Are you able to say anything about about whether or not XSeed's other Senran Kagura games are coming to GOG?

And/or are you able to say anything about whether or not XSeed's other Senran Kagura games will be coming to GOG will be dependent upon how many copies of Shinovi Versus are sold on GOG?

Or if you would need XSeed's permission before you can say anything about that, then could someone from GOG please consult XSeed behind the scenes, and then GOG and XSeed can issue a mutually-approved statement about whether or not XSeed intends to release the other SK games on GOG, and what, if any, will be the contributing factors to those decisions?

A lot of the reason for why many GOG customers are making a big deal out of the warning on the GOG storepage is because we are worried the warning might decrease sales of the game due to the stigma, and in turn, maybe cause the other SK games never to appear on GOG.

But if there is a good chance that the other SK games will be coming to GOG regardless of Shinovi Versus' sales numbers on GOG, then that would allay most of the concerns from GOG customers that we might be stuck unable to get the other SK games on GOG due to GOG's warning page.

In other words, if GOG & XSeed together are able to give GOG customers any kind of reassurance that they both have a strong intention to release all of the SK games on GOG that XSeed has the rights to, then that reassurance would make the heated discussion about the warning page become a mostly moot point that doesn't matter...which would be a win/win for everyone.

So, if there is any means by which GOG & XSeed can be transparent & forthright with GOG's customers about what's up with the other SK games coming to GOG, or not ... then please do so.
Post edited August 12, 2022 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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Clownski_: Unless I missed such a release, I don't think we're using 17+ warning for other games that also depict damage by the deterioration of young looking girls' outfits.
In any case, that's the furthest I'm gonna delve into this subject.
Yes, you actually do. And they aren't just young looking they're legitimately mostly in the 16-18 range.

And why would you make such a big deal of clothing destruction when there are T-rated games with clothing destruction. (Although I don't believe you can destroy underwear in them)
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: A lot of the reason for why many GOG customers are making a big deal out of the warning on the GOG storepage is because we are worried the warning might decrease sales of the game due to the stigma, and in turn, maybe cause the other SK games never to appear on GOG.
I'm just pissed about how anime is treated, myself.
Post edited August 12, 2022 by FrostburnPhoenix
Doubt you'll reply to this, but here goes anyway:

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Clownski_: I'd like to make some things clear regarding the ongoing discussion in this thread.

First of all let me point out the fact that there's no ESRB rating for the PC release of the game in question. Legal-wise, it's not as easy to say the rating is 17+ on PC just because it was 17+ on PSV.
Legal-wise? PC store front have no obligation to display any ESRB/PEGI rating, this only applies to console games. And while I do agree that only the Vita version was rated by the ESRB, you could have simply asked XSEED/Marvelous legal letter asking if anything was changed from the PC to the Vita version which could have changed the potential rating (answer is no BTW).

Also, 3 games are rated by the ESRB on the PC as M for Mature: SENRAN KAGURA Burst Re:Newal, SENRAN KAGURA Reflexions and SENRAN KAGURA Peach Ball. If by any chance XSEED/Marvelous still want to bring their titles after what you did, we'll see if your excuse holds true to that.

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Clownski_: Secondly, the content warning on the product page is there to protect those who are not keen on seeing sexual content while browsing the store. Comparisons to other titles without content warning (or with a lower one) are pointless when screenshots clearly indicate what the focus of the game is.
No Senran Kagura titles have any full nudity (breast or genitals) or sexual scenes period! These are not Hentai games like the ones you've been stuffing your store front in the past year, they are fan service action games, pure and simple. Meanwhile, your Witcher games are about an old guy running around having sex with women and getting partially naked cards of them as a trophies, hypocrite much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io783rnjRN0

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Clownski_: Lastly, the subject was consulted with our legal department and due to game's aforementioned themes and main focus, it has been decided that this was the best path to take. So yes, the content warning is correct in our opinion.
(◔_◔) right, sorry, but I don't believe for a second that you paid your legal them for such a thing. It's clear to most Japanese game fans here that you don't put as much effort into bringing or advertising Japanese games as you do for Western games, may they be triple AAA or indies. I don't know if it's xenophobia or you think that Japanese games should stay in their console lane, but either way, you're running out of options.

You'll never get a new EA or Ubisoft games, most Triple AAA Japanese companies want nothing to do with DRM-Free and you're getting to the bottom of the barrel for vintage games. Most of the stuff you've been releasing this year is Western indies and porn games, so if I were you, I'd put whatever grudge you have against Japanese games and make better courtship with smaller companies like XSEED/Marvelous, NIS, SNK, etc. and beg them to bring you more titles.

Just my 2 cents
Post edited August 12, 2022 by Waifu4Life
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FrostburnPhoenix: Except you use the 17+ warning for games with the clearly same focus that also don't have PC ESRB ratings.
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Clownski_: Unless I missed such a release, I don't think we're using 17+ warning for other games that also depict damage by the deterioration of young looking girls' outfits.
In any case, that's the furthest I'm gonna delve into this subject.
Uhhhhh... I’m probably gonna regret this but...

The entire Akiba’s Trip series doesn’t have any warning whatsoever (no 17+ or 18+). The entire premise is removing peoples’ clothing (granted not just young girls).

And yes you can destroy underwear in at least one of those games with a clothes destroying streak (it’s censored of course).
Post edited August 12, 2022 by tremere110
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Clownski_: I'd like to make some things clear regarding the ongoing discussion in this thread.

First of all let me point out the fact that there's no ESRB rating for the PC release of the game in question. Legal-wise, it's not as easy to say the rating is 17+ on PC just because it was 17+ on PSV.
I wonder why ratings should even matter to you as company. They are a guideline for costumers. I would also hold that artists, creators and game developers shouldn't hold back but realize their true vision of a game, even though this means that some people out there will be offended. What happens instead is self-censorship only so shops accept the game and some money can be made ... That even this is no guarantee to receive a favorable rating - for instance T vs. M, goes without saying.

Story time: In early 2000 the game Giants: Citizen Kabuto was about to be released. Since the company wanted a rating that gets their game into Wal-Mart, and in order to receive a T-rating, they decided to censor and hide nipples (you know, the worst of the worst thing adults can ever look at in good old US of A.) and blood (even though violence is totally okay and tons of blood are accepted) they colored it green. The game still received an M-rating and so was more or less hidden as far as Wal-Mart was concerned. At the same time Marshall's new album was released. Huge posters, misogyny, homophobia ... all-inclusive in his lyrics and a big, fat M-Rating as advertisement for his CDs and merch.

You see how ratings have never really done what they were supposed to: Act as guide for parents and whatever they decide is the law? How there were always double standards and a very convenient way by law no less to censor and forbid what's deemed by some as not appropriate? Vioelence is totally okay, female and male body parts are not, and whose going to decide?

Back to 2022 and living in the only country where laws to protect children, ratings, never had an influence on what one could legally buy in a shop. No hiding, no censorship, even the most hardcore videogames and movies, they could be purchased in any retail store. [i]I don't say that its been necessarily a good idea to find porn dvd's next to children movies, but in the end it was a parents task and the clerks not to sell any of it under the appropriate age. In a mature society this works.

Why do I relate this here? Because if it was about laws, you - as company, could as well sell even more hardcore VN (the source of most contention around in these parts) and we are talking about characters looking like 0-8 yrs. Why this isn't possible is because in most European countries this is deemed illegal and your company would be out of business and you'd be standing before a court of law facing some serious prison time.

Anyone who doesn't realize in what situation you are in, different laws for different countries, what's legal and appropriate for one is illegal in another and can't be made accessible, the constant battle between customers (which you should not care about as much at all) along the ages old lines of sex is bad, violence is not, leaves you with finding the most effective and least harmful way to hide certain content. In that sense the warning page is a rather good compromise.

Instead of hiding content, with a click it's still becoming visible, no matter the real age of the person on the other side of the screen in some other part of this world, why not implement an effective solution benefitting all customers? What I am thinking about as solution is this:

Provide a content list in our profiles allowing to select which content they don't wish to be displayed browsing the shop.
Do the same for E-Mail ads.
The list can be as simple as: sexual-content, action, violence or countries' ratings for certain games.
Once set it should be password protected and unlockable and changeable only with 2-way-authentication.


Doing it like this would serve a double purpose: One, if it is all about protecting children, the ball will be in the parents' court. They have to set the settings, and if they aren't set, you can be sure that it's adults, who - by no law in the world, can be kept from consuming and buying whatever they wish to. Two, if it is for 'concerned people' (spelling: pressure groups living under the impression that demanding the world to be their way, and what they don't like got to be censored, removed cancelled) would have to shut up for good. Have them have their option to hide and censor what they don't like and that's the end of it.

TLDR: Implementing a system along the lines suggested above should allow you to sell games freely to any customers all around the globe, without being forced to hide content, offer patches seperately, send out e-mails with ads for games which in certain countries can't be bought and store pages not being accessible accordingly. As long as the games you do add are deemed legal by your countries' laws or the EUs, the worst that can happen is that the usual suspects will keep complaining - and they can be ignored, because they aren't who put money in your pockets in the first place. All because children are then 'protected' and adults are allowed to consume whatever anyways. Think about it.
Post edited August 12, 2022 by Mori_Yuki
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Clownski_: First of all let me point out the fact that there's no ESRB rating for the PC release of the game in question. Legal-wise, it's not as easy to say the rating is 17+ on PC just because it was 17+ on PSV.
Thanks for chiming in!
That's fair enough. Wasn't aware of the lack of rating for the PC version.

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Clownski_: Secondly, the content warning on the product page is there to protect those who are not keen on seeing sexual content while browsing the store.
I'd just like to pass on my thanks to GOG for taking this approach. :) I'm happy these games aren't hidden from the store by default, and a warning page is a great compromise for those avoiding adult content. Win-win!

If GOG ever implements a user setting/toggle to completely hide such games, I hope you guys can keep with your current approach: Make such filters opt-in, and not the default. It's great that GOG seems to be increasingly respecting adult customers' freedom of choice, so keep it up!

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Clownski_: Lastly, the subject was consulted with our legal department and due to game's aforementioned themes and main focus, it has been decided that this was the best path to take. So yes, the content warning is correct in our opinion.
Fair enough. You guys have a lot to juggle and ultimately don't want your store shut down over legal bullshit, I get it.

I do hope GOG can consider advertising these games on social media though, same as other games. It is quite sad that no official tweets are made when 18+ games release. Surely there are lost sales with the current approach, and fans like myself can only spread the news so much.
Post edited August 12, 2022 by milkyhighway
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Waifu4Life: [...] I don't believe for a second that you paid your legal them for such a thing
That's true. They get paid by the hour.
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Waifu4Life: It's clear to most Japanese game fans here that you don't put as much effort into bringing or advertising Japanese games as you do for Western games, may they be triple AAA or indies. I don't know if it's xenophobia or you think that Japanese games should stay in their console lane, but either way, you're running out of options.
We literally held Moon Festival event, featuring games from all sorts of Asian devs/publishers, last month.
My personal opinion? If you think there's some sort of bias or phobia here, then it might just be you who's actively looking for anything resembling such a thing.
Too much text. I hope other Tamsoft games like Onechanbara can be made available DRM-free as well.