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Cgamer1: One that should be compatiable according to the list by ice mage.
You must mean pds41, who linked to your motherboard's compatibility list.
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Cgamer1: i got a G skill ripjaws ddr4-3200 8gbx2 (the manual for the mobo says it should be able to run this (overclocked?) so I'm hoping it works..
If that's part number F4-3200C16D-16GVKB, then yes, that's on the motherboard's compatibility list.
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Cgamer1: I didn't check the VGA compatiblity part on MSI's site. it does list my graphic card (radeon rx 570) but only 4 gb, not 8gb which I have. Do you guys think this will also affect things?
I don't think it matters. When it comes to graphics cards, I'm concerned with
• Matching PCI-e support. There's an odd lack of details for this particular card, but as far as I can tell, both the card and motherboard are PCI-e 3.0 ×16.
• Adequate PSU wattage and connectors. Presumably, you managed to properly connect the card to the PSU or else I expect it wouldn't work at all. Minimum wattage is 450W for the reference card, and your 600W PSU gives you some wiggle room.
• Matching card outputs for the monitor's inputs. We already know this isn't an issue.
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Cgamer1: One that should be compatiable according to the list by ice mage.
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Ice_Mage: You must mean pds41, who linked to your motherboard's compatibility list.
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Cgamer1: i got a G skill ripjaws ddr4-3200 8gbx2 (the manual for the mobo says it should be able to run this (overclocked?) so I'm hoping it works..
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Ice_Mage: If that's part number F4-3200C16D-16GVKB, then yes, that's on the motherboard's compatibility list.
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Cgamer1: I didn't check the VGA compatiblity part on MSI's site. it does list my graphic card (radeon rx 570) but only 4 gb, not 8gb which I have. Do you guys think this will also affect things?
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Ice_Mage: I don't think it matters. When it comes to graphics cards, I'm concerned with
• Matching PCI-e support. There's an odd lack of details for this particular card, but as far as I can tell, both the card and motherboard are PCI-e 3.0 ×16.
• Adequate PSU wattage and connectors. Presumably, you managed to properly connect the card to the PSU or else I expect it wouldn't work at all. Minimum wattage is 450W for the reference card, and your 600W PSU gives you some wiggle room.
• Matching card outputs for the monitor's inputs. We already know this isn't an issue.
so all i have to do is put in the new RAM sticks and see what happens?
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Cgamer1: so all i have to do is put in the new RAM sticks and see what happens?
You shouldn't get any more BIOS warnings at startup. Whether you want to run a memory check again after that is up to you. It's time consuming and RAM tends to come with generous warranties, so in the absence of any more issues, I wouldn't bother.

I'm only going to repeat my recommendation to check the temperature while gaming. Ctrl+Shift+O should bring up the AMD overlay, allowing you to check the CPU and GPU temperature.

If the temperatures look acceptable but the system still powers off unexpectedly, then the prime suspect would be the PSU. Hopefully that doesn't happen anymore though *fingers crossed*
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Cgamer1: so all i have to do is put in the new RAM sticks and see what happens?
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Ice_Mage: You shouldn't get any more BIOS warnings at startup. Whether you want to run a memory check again after that is up to you. It's time consuming and RAM tends to come with generous warranties, so in the absence of any more issues, I wouldn't bother.

I'm only going to repeat my recommendation to check the temperature while gaming. Ctrl+Shift+O should bring up the AMD overlay, allowing you to check the CPU and GPU temperature.

If the temperatures look acceptable but the system still powers off unexpectedly, then the prime suspect would be the PSU. Hopefully that doesn't happen anymore though *fingers crossed*
all right, then. I'll do that.
I switched out the RAM.. the splash screen about the RAM being in the wrong spots came up. (I did this on purpose)

task manager says GPU is 39 C (I'm american and use F) but i have a book that says 30C is hot. so.. hot.

amd overlay says GPU is 40C but the fans aren't running. 0 RPM.

I'm going to test Gas Station Simulator now.
well, i ran GSS.

The amd overlay said the temp of the GPU was between 54 to 76 C (i decided 76 was getting too high) but the important part is there was no crash of any kind. a bit of lag here and there. The fans also stopped and go as well.
0 to whatever.. 600 RPM?

Man, it made me anxious.
so for a 2nd run, i played GSS for almost two hours before it fully crashed. i was able to see how was it got before the crash. 94C.

with the old sticks, GSS crashed within like 15 minutes. the time playing was an improvement. but i pushed my luck, i guess.
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Cgamer1: I switched out the RAM.. the splash screen about the RAM being in the wrong spots came up. (I did this on purpose)
I don't understand what you mean by this.

Maybe pds41 would like to chime in if the following sounds about right. GPU temps:
• 40C when idle is about what you'd expect from an air-cooled system
• 76C under load is a pinch higher than you'd like, but possibly acceptable
• 94C under load is bad. I think in that range, you run the risk of damaging the card's more delicate components, like the memory

I suggest you look at reviews and tests on YouTube for your specific card brand and model. I'm not familiar with the Radeon RX 570, but I know the reference model for some newer cards is basically unusable because of how hot it gets. Some third-party manufacturers don't do much about the temperature, so it can be something of a minefield to pick a Radeon card that won't overheat out-of-the-box.

In the Graphics section of the AMD drivers, you can try enabling the Radeon Chill setting. See if it helps with the temperature without making games unplayable. Try contacting AMD support, your card manufacturer's support, and asking for advice on the AMD forums.

Additional case fans and lower room temperature would probably only help a little bit. Liquid cooling would probably help the most, but it's likely not worth either the cost or the effort for a card of this caliber.

If lowering the graphics settings or resolution isn't an option or it doesn't help, the only suggestion I have is to stick with less demanding games.
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Cgamer1: but i have a book that says 30C is hot. so.. hot.
Is it a book about making ice cream?
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Cgamer1: I switched out the RAM.. the splash screen about the RAM being in the wrong spots came up. (I did this on purpose)
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Ice_Mage: I don't understand what you mean by this.

Maybe pds41 would like to chime in if the following sounds about right. GPU temps:
• 40C when idle is about what you'd expect from an air-cooled system
• 76C under load is a pinch higher than you'd like, but possibly acceptable
• 94C under load is bad. I think in that range, you run the risk of damaging the card's more delicate components, like the memory

I suggest you look at reviews and tests on YouTube for your specific card brand and model. I'm not familiar with the Radeon RX 570, but I know the reference model for some newer cards is basically unusable because of how hot it gets. Some third-party manufacturers don't do much about the temperature, so it can be something of a minefield to pick a Radeon card that won't overheat out-of-the-box.

In the Graphics section of the AMD drivers, you can try enabling the Radeon Chill setting. See if it helps with the temperature without making games unplayable. Try contacting AMD support, your card manufacturer's support, and asking for advice on the AMD forums.

Additional case fans and lower room temperature would probably only help a little bit. Liquid cooling would probably help the most, but it's likely not worth either the cost or the effort for a card of this caliber.

If lowering the graphics settings or resolution isn't an option or it doesn't help, the only suggestion I have is to stick with less demanding games.
I opened the AMD software for my graphics card. I found what you said, radeon chill. It wasn't on. I turned it on. so let's see if that helps at all. (I put my frame rate at 30 because my montior is like 10 years old. and it helps to play with all the stuff off.)
Yeah, in terms of GPU temps, I'm not that familiar with the Radeons, but I'd consider 30 degrees to be "cool", 75 degrees to be fine and understand that the temps on the RX570 can "safely" exceed 90 degrees, but I'd be a little worried if I didn't have a decently ventilated case. I have seen a post on Reddit where someone is claiming it shuts down at 94 degrees.

Regarding fans, newer cards don't run fans all the time - the fans tend to spin up when temperature increases. This is a noise and energy saving thing. I use MSI Afterburner to monitor temps and fan speeds etc., and for a lot of games, the fans don't run especially in a cold room in winter.

A few questions:
- have you tried a custom fan profile? MSI Afterburner does this and you might be able to do using your standard Radeon software - you can probably set the fan to come on sooner and spin faster to keep temps down
- Do you have any case fans/case cooling? I would expect any case to have at least one case fan that works.
- What are your CPU temps looking like? Are you getting any CPU throttling?
-When you say it crashed after 2 hours, what exactly happened? Was it everything just powering off again?
- Are your RAM chips now correctly installed in the correct RAM slots and is your computer recognising the full RAM amount?
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Cgamer1: I opened the AMD software for my graphics card. I found what you said, radeon chill. It wasn't on. I turned it on. so let's see if that helps at all. (I put my frame rate at 30 because my montior is like 10 years old. and it helps to play with all the stuff off.)
Double posting - sorry!

Just to say, your monitor age shouldn't mean you have to run at 30fps. Ideally, you should target a framerate that is equal to your monitor's refresh rate (probably 60HZ if it's not a high end or freesync monitor). I personally wouldn't put an arbitrary cap on it.
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pds41: temps on the RX570 can "safely" exceed 90 degrees, [...] I have seen a post on Reddit where someone is claiming it shuts down at 94 degrees.
I consider the former complete baloney and the latter a warning to listen to. For newer cards, AMD tried to convince people that 110C under load is perfectly normal and to be expected. Out here in the real world, you can't actually run your system at card-melting temperatures.
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pds41: Just to say, your monitor age shouldn't mean you have to run at 30fps.
I don't expect taking off the framerae cap will help with the GPU temperature.
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Cgamer1: but i have a book that says 30C is hot. so.. hot.
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teceem: Is it a book about making ice cream?
i wish. it's a notebook math fact book. filled with facts about math that can help you.
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pds41: Yeah, in terms of GPU temps, I'm not that familiar with the Radeons, but I'd consider 30 degrees to be "cool", 75 degrees to be fine and understand that the temps on the RX570 can "safely" exceed 90 degrees, but I'd be a little worried if I didn't have a decently ventilated case. I have seen a post on Reddit where someone is claiming it shuts down at 94 degrees.

Regarding fans, newer cards don't run fans all the time - the fans tend to spin up when temperature increases. This is a noise and energy saving thing. I use MSI Afterburner to monitor temps and fan speeds etc., and for a lot of games, the fans don't run especially in a cold room in winter.

A few questions:
- have you tried a custom fan profile? MSI Afterburner does this and you might be able to do using your standard Radeon software - you can probably set the fan to come on sooner and spin faster to keep temps down
- Do you have any case fans/case cooling? I would expect any case to have at least one case fan that works.
- What are your CPU temps looking like? Are you getting any CPU throttling?
-When you say it crashed after 2 hours, what exactly happened? Was it everything just powering off again?
- Are your RAM chips now correctly installed in the correct RAM slots and is your computer recognising the full RAM amount?
I have two case fans. one to vent out, one for the cpu (it's on the cpu cooler) plus the PSU.

cpu throttling? I'm not familiar with that.

Yes. Full System Crash. there was a pause in play for like a couple seconds then i started walking (in game) and bye bye picture and system went down.

No, i kept them in the wrong RAM slots on purpose. I suppose I could move them over to the right ones soon. I just was hoping to avoid that due to the odd RAM reading that i "have" 8 gb instead of 16. I'll probably do that later today.
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Ice_Mage: I don't expect taking off the framerae cap will help with the GPU temperature.
Like I said earlier, I turned on Radeon chill. Then noticed the section with the framerate. It had a minimum of 74 FPS and a Max of 148.

I was thinking if it was too much, i should turn down those. Maybe i'll set it to a low of 30 to a high of 50 or 60 FPS.
a lot of games usually don't let you tink with the framerate.

All I can do is hope.
Post edited February 17, 2022 by Cgamer1
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Cgamer1: I have two case fans. one to vent out, one for the cpu
That's ONE case fan. The fan on the CPU cooler isn't called "case fan".
A real case fan in the front of your case will improve your air flow.
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Cgamer1: cpu throttling? I'm not familiar with that.
Are all your books from the 90s? ;-)
Throttling means: reducing speed when temperature gets too high. Gone are the days when your toasty CPU would "burn up" or shut down the entire system.

Building a PC might resemble Lego compared to two decades ago... but it isn't and you should've done some more research (you can find many great online resources, very easily).
Post edited February 17, 2022 by teceem