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fables22: I agree.
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Tyrrhia: One thing I'd really like if hate speech will now be condemned is that hate speech towards hate speakers will also be condemned. I know that sounded confusing and probably not well-worded, so here's an example (with less crude terms than what might happen):

User A: You're just a moron, anyway.
User B: Ha! Look at the little bastard, out of arguments so resorting to insults and personal attacks!

In my opinion, User B's post should also be condemned. It's only fair—why would "good guys" be allowed to put on "bad guys" clothes while "bad guys" are always frowned upon? And if the goal is to make this place more welcoming, it would only make sense to remove any and all attacks, whichever side they come from.

Anyway, welcome (to your professional account :P )!
No no I'm sorry, but if someone comes in here and tells me the Holocaust was a lie then I reserve the right to call them a stupid fucking asshole. :P
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mm324: some "political correctness" crap
Just a couple of words on this. Actual genuine excesses of "political correctness" were and remain a genuine problem. Your point about the "cripples' hospital" being renamed is one. Attacks on somewhat naughty but by no means malicious sexist or racist humour is another. The relatively recent upsurge in misandric brands of feminism is another.

However, since then, the far right have basically abused the term to refer to anyone who dares challenge their behaving like utter cunts. Being admonished for calling for the deaths of Jews and Muslims? "Political correctness." Getting railed on for claiming that a woman who wants equal rights is allegedly on the rag, should shut the fuck up and know her place? "Political correctness."

Personally, I've found that this expression has been rattled out by the alt-right so much that I'm sick to death of fucking hearing about it, to the point where I'm past caring about even legitimate excesses of political correctness, and honestly, I think the mere complaint from an alt-right moron that "political correctness has got out of hand" should be taken as a serious warning sign that the poster is likely to go off on some defamatory racist or misogynist rant.

Honestly, looking at the Brexit, Trump and infowars forums, this place has descended to the intellectual level of 4chan, and that is largely to do with the lack of moderation. Racists, misogynists and other political extremists know they can get away with anything here, and they know that it is one of the few mainstream forums where they have a captive moderate audience, unlike sites where LiveLeak or 4chan where sane people don't reside. The only thing that really is missing here is an Islamist representative and the extremist circle would be complete.

This forum needs clear rules against racism, against sexism, and against hate speech in general, and it needs to actually fucking enforce them. People can whinge all they want about "censorship". It isn't censorship. GOG is not a government. They are not removing the right of these people to spew their crap elsewhere. They can always go to somewhere like 4chan to post it. They can set up their own websites and forums. These are house rules in the same way that I prohibit anyone who sets foot inside my house from behaving like a cunt.

I will also point out that, from the moment GOG decided to offer their website in German and French and offer pricing in pounds sterling, GOG agreed to be bound by the relevant laws of those countries regarding the handling of hate speech. The UK, France, Germany, Austria and Poland all have similar laws that require website operators to remove such content when it is indicated. Indeed, Facebook is now under investigation in Germany for failing to act on reports of holocaust denial, calls for murder and other incitement to hatred.
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Tyrrhia: One thing I'd really like if hate speech will now be condemned is that hate speech towards hate speakers will also be condemned. I know that sounded confusing and probably not well-worded, so here's an example (with less crude terms than what might happen):
I think you're confusing the definition of hate speech. Simple insults and personal attacks are not hate speech. Hate speech is a form of defamation in which fabrications or deliberate bias are used with the relatively clear intent to defame or publicly humiliate a group of people based on their gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or similar characteristics for the purpose of inciting hatred, discrimination or violence against that group.
Post edited November 15, 2016 by jamyskis
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Tyrrhia: <snip>
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Goodaltgamer: Tyrrhia, if I have made you come over, the idea was to discuss it i here:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_etiquette_discussion_and_welcome_to_a_new_cm

The links I gave to here was so that people, if they wanted, could read up on what had been already posted ;)
You sure did. ;)

But there were already lots of replies when I opened your thread, so I quickly skimmed through them (sorry, not much time!). Also, I could directly notify @fables22 directly by posting in this thread. So: laziness + convenience = me leaning towards this thread. ;P

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Tyrrhia: <snip>
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tinyE: No no I'm sorry, but if someone comes in here and tells me the Holocaust was a lie then I reserve the right to call them a stupid fucking asshole. :P
Sure, but your post would then also be attacking someone, so it should be removed—either you keep all the stuff, or you "censor" fairly. What you do by condemning certain people while letting some other people off the hook is create a place with a certain agenda; and I'm sure the people who want true fairness would rather have a place devoid of any agendas.

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Tyrrhia: <snip>
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jamyskis: I think you're confusing the definition of hate speech. Simple insults and personal attacks are not hate speech. Hate speech is a form of defamation in which fabrications or deliberate bias are used with the relatively clear intent to defame or publicly humiliate a group of people based on their gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or similar characteristics for the purpose of inciting hatred, discrimination or violence against that group.
I'm not; I do know and see the distinction. At first, I wanted to retake @dtgreene's full array of descriptive things, like so: "hate speech ( / harassment / personal attacks)" . . . but I found it too wordy, so I took a quick route and had an accident along the way. :P

Anyway, my point still stands: I think you should either enforce moderation and remove all attacks to create a "family-friendly" environment (not meant in a sarcastic way), or do nothing at all, letting users police themselves.
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Tyrrhia: Sure, but your post would then also be attacking someone, so it should be removed—either you keep all the stuff, or you "censor" fairly. What you do by condemning certain people while letting some other people off the hook is create a place with a certain agenda; and I'm sure the people who want true fairness would rather have a place devoid of any agendas.
In this case, the antinazi agenda, right ?

Most civilized places on the internet seem to have an "agenda" against racism in general. But to be honest, those who qualify it as an agenda are usually those for whom "racism" and "antiracism" are merely two differing opinions.
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Tyrrhia: You sure did. ;)

But there were already lots of replies when I opened your thread, so I quickly skimmed through them (sorry, not much time!). Also, I could directly notify @fables22 directly by posting in this thread. So: laziness + convenience = me leaning towards this thread. ;P
Yeah, blame the messenger, at least you didn't shoot me ;)
And I think fables has no problem digesting 2 threads ;) at least not all over the place.

But one reason why I suggested just one thread that WE can better discuss it. Like with your idea, of user A and B, you do have a point, TinyE has a point. In here it will not be really discussed how we see it, And that was one reason to create the other thread. To get a better picture what we think.

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jamyskis: snip
jamyskis made a valid point as well. Which is actually a far bigger concern, but also leaves to be discussed where do we want to get GOG going. I always liked that we can discuss things here rather freely. (laws not withstanding)

Oh and if you find time Tyrrhia (or somebody else who really speaks French ;) )
Ce possibele the tranduit le message ? (using my broken French just to annoy you) ;)
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Regals: Sorry nazi scum bag...

Think you need to suck it up buttercup.

youtube linked removed as it only contains some shit
As I already said a few times:

If I were what you imply, you would not exist, so say thank you

And if you still look for medical help, we need further information to send you the nice man with the white jackter
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Regals: Think you need to suck it up buttercup.
Why do you build me up (build me up) Buttercup, baby,

Just to let me down (let me down) and mess me around,

So build me up (build me up) Buttercup, don't break my heart.
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tinyE: I give him a week before he shoots himself. :P
Seems about right, heh ?
So where's Konrad now? Did someone finally free him?
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mm324: some "political correctness" crap
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jamyskis: Just a couple of words on this. Actual genuine excesses of "political correctness" were and remain a genuine problem. Your point about the "cripples' hospital" being renamed is one. Attacks on somewhat naughty but by no means malicious sexist or racist humour is another. The relatively recent upsurge in misandric brands of feminism is another.

However, since then, the far right have basically abused the term to refer to anyone who dares challenge their behaving like utter cunts. Being admonished for calling for the deaths of Jews and Muslims? "Political correctness." Getting railed on for claiming that a woman who wants equal rights is allegedly on the rag, should shut the fuck up and know her place? "Political correctness."

Personally, I've found that this expression has been rattled out by the alt-right so much that I'm sick to death of fucking hearing about it, to the point where I'm past caring about even legitimate excesses of political correctness, and honestly, I think the mere complaint from an alt-right moron that "political correctness has got out of hand" should be taken as a serious warning sign that the poster is likely to go off on some defamatory racist or misogynist rant.

Honestly, looking at the Brexit, Trump and infowars forums, this place has descended to the intellectual level of 4chan, and that is largely to do with the lack of moderation. Racists, misogynists and other political extremists know they can get away with anything here, and they know that it is one of the few mainstream forums where they have a captive moderate audience, unlike sites where LiveLeak or 4chan where sane people don't reside. The only thing that really is missing here is an Islamist representative and the extremist circle would be complete.

This forum needs clear rules against racism, against sexism, and against hate speech in general, and it needs to actually fucking enforce them. People can whinge all they want about "censorship". It isn't censorship. GOG is not a government. They are not removing the right of these people to spew their crap elsewhere. They can always go to somewhere like 4chan to post it. They can set up their own websites and forums. These are house rules in the same way that I prohibit anyone who sets foot inside my house from behaving like a cunt.

I will also point out that, from the moment GOG decided to offer their website in German and French and offer pricing in pounds sterling, GOG agreed to be bound by the relevant laws of those countries regarding the handling of hate speech. The UK, France, Germany, Austria and Poland all have similar laws that require website operators to remove such content when it is indicated. Indeed, Facebook is now under investigation in Germany for failing to act on reports of holocaust denial, calls for murder and other incitement to hatred.
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Tyrrhia: One thing I'd really like if hate speech will now be condemned is that hate speech towards hate speakers will also be condemned. I know that sounded confusing and probably not well-worded, so here's an example (with less crude terms than what might happen):
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jamyskis: I think you're confusing the definition of hate speech. Simple insults and personal attacks are not hate speech. Hate speech is a form of defamation in which fabrications or deliberate bias are used with the relatively clear intent to defame or publicly humiliate a group of people based on their gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or similar characteristics for the purpose of inciting hatred, discrimination or violence against that group.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's getting ridiculous around here and making people feel unwelcome. It's also bad for gog's business too.
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Lemon_Curry: So where's Konrad now? Did someone finally free him?
Sadly, not. He's still in the reins of the GOG master.
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fables22: Sadly, not. He's still in the reins of the GOG master.
[moderator-blue]

I hope he survives The Cleansing Ceremony.

I hear it's held in GoG's Warsaw office and involves Witcher potions, Scottish dwarves and medieval wenches and maidens.

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Telika: immediately goes full "mummy mummy i didn't do nothing they are the meanies".
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phaolo: He's scared now lol.
Scared? No,been in Trumpland Michigan (Copper Harbor) searching for someone.Next trip I will narrow the field but I WILL find it!
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phaolo: He's scared now lol.
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Tauto: Scared? No,been in Trumpland Michigan (Copper Harbor) searching for someone.Next trip I will narrow the field but I WILL find it!
Stalking someone that hurt your pride on the web again?
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Tauto: Scared? No,been in Trumpland Michigan (Copper Harbor) searching for someone.Next trip I will narrow the field but I WILL find it!
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phaolo: Stalking someone that hurt your pride on the web again?
lol.