file under class 320?

Actually, pragmatism towards the victims is just one component of the anti-capital punishment stance. There is often actually a value attributed to the life of the rapist (or culprit in general), stemming from the value of human individual life in itself. That is, the idea that a criminal deserves to live (even if punished, even if neutralized) and that efforts should be made to rehabilitate them instead of eliminating them. It's a value in itself, and a view on killing. Also linked to the issue of drawing an arbitrary line between crimes deserving or not deserving death (a qualitative jump on a quantitative continuum). It's the general "killing is bad" stance, with a hint of "individual lives are complicated, let's deal with that" and "evil should be ideally corrected rather than annihilated or used as a convenient punchbag for self-righteous sadists".

So, no, "liberals" at large don't wish for the mass death of criminals. Even if, at gut level, individually, wrath and disgust lead to this wish (I'm classified as "liberal", I'm not above wishing the death of many many people, but I want to live in a society that doesn't implement those reductive knee-jerk fantasies of mine). Conservatives tend to dismiss more immediately a universal "right to live", and to see it as much more conditional on innocence (the epithome of which being, of course, foetuses, that liberals are more reluctant to see as real persons with applicable notions of guilt and innocence - and here religion and biology play significant roles).

So yeah, I wouldn't say it's that wrong to assume that, at large, "liberals value the lives of rapists" (as they value lives in general), while being okay with "killing unborm babies" (as they consider that, indeed "killing the unborn" is problematically oximoronic). Wishing the death of a person is usually seen as self-indulgent and primitive, in the liberal world. Enjoyable as a fantasy (everyone loves a good revenge flick) but questionable in real life.

You're welcome.

Okay, you convinced me. Hail Trump.

So either you murder someone or you build an altar to them. Okay.

I've already hated people without advocating for their extermination. But I'm an extremely subtle person like that, see. I wonder on which side of what fence this puts me.

It's harder for a specific reason, and it has everything to do with security of the nation and the safety of it's citizens. In a perfect world there would be no borders, but this world is far from perfect.

I do agree with you though that it's too easy for companies to move overseas, often to avoid taxes.

Usually doesn't take long when people start vomiting pathetic nationalist nonsense and ultra-right conspiracy theories into a thread, and why should it? What I said was fact. All hope that it scared you a little is of course in vain. Doubling down, you just now linked to a more than two year old, way outdated, article that has no connection whatsoever to your previous wildly incorrect scare mongering claim. What was that even supposed to do? Please stop soiling yourself in all that racist shit all the time. My country is in no way "more muslim" than it was at the beginning of the century, neither your nor my country is in any danger to be overwhelmed by a foreign religion, and the central reason that the Christian faith is losing influence is that it is consistently utilized by xenophobic hate preachers to serve their shit agenda.

Have fun sending your "friend" to a country he doesn't even know in the vain hope that your "government" would do more for all those poor white people as soon as they've deported enough "illegals". I guess you didn't take to the streets to protest and protect the Dreamers, did you? Didn't think so. Parents' problem, I get it. You're a shitty friend, sorry.

Get a new avatar. Star Trek's teachings, morals and empathy are clearly so far out of your reach and understanding that you're personally insulting Roddenberry here.

A complicated way to put what should be so very easy to understand. A government that kills its citizens, for whatever crime, disposes of them like cattle. It's an inhuman thing to do. It's not in any way civilized. It's not just, and flaunting the cost of incarceration as an argument for the death penalty is sick as fuck, and puts special emphasis on the injustice.

There's this German guy, Dieter Riechmann, who has been in an American prison for 31 years now. He's in for murder, and pretty fucking definitely innocent of that (court blanked on motive to begin with). However, it does seem like his girlfriend of 13 years was shot while he was, ahem, trying to strike a big drug deal. His death sentence has been turned into life incarceration back in 2010, but I somehow have to think back to that case now that his actual crime may be punishable by death in the future.

Guy was put on death row for a crime he didn't commit, now the death sentence for a crime he may indeed have committed is in debate. Absurdity over absurdity.

No, countries that have the death penalty are_not_civilized. Not by any measure. And, really, I'm totally the avenger type. Totally Batman. Revenge, I get it. You wouldn't want to leave me in a room with a child molester. And still, torture and the death penalty, no, no, no.

Clearly that word, doesn't mean what you think it means.

Scared? Why? Because people can shout out words like "racist" or "nazi" and in an attempt to deter free thought and civil disagreement? Unplug from CNN please, and come to the table for a rational debate.

Let "progressives" tell it and racist are around every corner and nazi's are chasing us down hallways like the Golden Hord. Reality however doesn't support such "facts". We can acknowledge these peaople exist while also acknowledge it's a rather small overall group of people.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-offers-refugees-benefits-in-kind-to-return-home/
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12/04/germany-offers-money-for-migrants-who-go-back-home.html
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/8/germany-overrun-paying-migrants-go-home/

Here is a Dec, 2017 article better for you?

To clearly acknowledge that your own Government thinks that the large influx of immigration has caused issues, which it clearly does. Also a good read:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/how-i-lost-faith-in-multiculturalism/news-story/f7c75dd449a8c18334460b4d032e5cea?sv=4cd2d870de053616d4286b23af7a1c9

And "racist" shit? Rally? Politico and washingtion post... two far left liberal outlits are now "racist shit"? So not being a "racist" now must be burying your head in the sand and pretending these problems don't exist. I got you.

Here is your poblem you are trying to turn my thoughts into a racist thing. I don't care if it's millions of Muslims or millions of British people... I would feel that exact same way. Would British people have easier time itegrating? Sure, but that is a different topic.

I'm not saying your country has an issue with to much immigration, your own government is saying it has a problem with to much immigration. Things like "A month had passed since he arrived in the promised land of migrants, yet the 21-year-old was still stuck in a crowded refugee camp." would signifiy that yes your country can't handle the influx of immigrants and that yes, you have to many immigrats coming at one time.

You are the one trying to focus on a single race of people, not me. I would feel the same with Britain or any other primarly "white" country, a large influx of migration from there would have the same exact impact. None of it is a good thing for the host country's resources, culture and way of life.

Eh, I always love how a progressive (who are suppose not be racist at all) always uses the term "white" as a negative inflamoritory insult. We aren't racist were just kind of racist against white people, but like that doesn't matter at all right?

This is all very comical, but here is a news flash for you. America is already pretty diverse with it's own legal citizens, and with current birth rates it will probally continue to get more diverse all on it's own. I hope my government put's American citizens first, not white people, not black people, not hispanics, not asians... Americans, which includes all races. We all will benifit.

Race is your thing, not mine.

Nah I'll keep it thanks... one can like a "tv show" while acknowledging not everything it portrayed will actually work in todays society. It is called fiction for a reason.

Critical thinking skills would do you wonders.

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Who said that? That does seem to be a pretty idiotic statement. Though I would have to see the full context of what was said.

That's politics for you. Both sides do it as far as 180's and both are full of hypocricies.

Not only that but a vast majority of the time you can't even take the media at face value, everyone had an agenda and we fall for it hook line an sinker.