awalterj: You know what is not open minded? --> Religion. Pretty much proven to be the single most not open minded thing on the planet.
You, as an ex-Muslim, should be painfully aware of how not open minded some countries are about you leaving the religion. Penalties vary from place to place and it goes right up to capital punishment for apostasy. Religion is what people make of it and they make different things of it from place to place so don't bother trying to convince people this has nothing to do with the faith. There's no one interpretation of Islam and no institution that has the authority to decide for the entire Umma so you're entirely up to the mercy of local jurisdiction.
Your claim that insulting people, ideas or religions so directly is not freedom of speech shows great lack of understanding the term. It matters not if something that's said is stupid, that isn't a criteria at all.

Any why are you mentioning that recent murder? The investigation is ongoing. There is as of yet no proof that this was an anti-Muslim hate crime, so there's no point in mentioning it here in this thread.
How about you mention the recent "honor" killing aka murder of a 19 year old pregnant Muslim girl who was stabbed and burned alive by her Muslim boyfriend, in Berlin? Simply because the guy wanted her to get an abortion so his "honor" would be kept intact? If you had any sense, you would be voicing your outrage about things like that first and foremost. But of course, "it has nothing to do with religion", pure coincidence that all those honor killings are somehow perpetrated by Muslim men, mostly against Muslim women.

awalterj: Since you don't know what I've said to my friend and what not, this is a perfect example of argument from ignorance.
But I find it oddly flattering that you seem so bent on having my friend cut off my head so you'll no longer have to deal with me.

Klumpen0815: And no, this stuff is no exception in the Quran, the whole thing is messed up, read it youself, everybody should!

Crewdroog: (kinda towards awalterj, but also just a rant in general)
Ok I thought of a way to explain my thoughts. yes, people are killing others in the name of Islam, Allah, etc. This is bad (derp). As awalterj said earlier, this is typically done by people who are manipulating the religion to get those that are easily persuaded (uneducated, poor, etc) on their side.

In my country (thank christ), we don't have state religion, however we do kill in the name of democracy. we manipulate that idea in any way we see fit, and often that means the taking of so many innocent lives.

Further, my country has had democracy, but for a long time it was for only land owning males. then it was white males. then blacks. then women. we have a fucked up, oppressive history. now does this mean that the idea of democracy is bad and should be destroyed? No. Does it mean the US should be wiped out of existence? No. It does means we have learned a lot, and still have a long way to go.

The same goes for religion. Yes, a lot of bad shit has gone down in the name of God(s). Does that mean we have the right to wipe it from the earth, no. Does it mean they have a long way to go, yes.

ok, unless we are gonna talk about nachos, circumcision or swan rape, I'm done.

apehater: thats just a sad proof about the lack of enlightenment and knowledge among gog users

Meaownet: It's a difference, Postal or Carmageddon don't target a specific religion/race.

Decatonkeil: Wow! They sure were needy of a pretext to make and promote a bestiality simulator.

hedwards: I think the fact that they're using the profit Muhammad for this really takes away from the boundary pushing. There's enough bigotry directed as Islam as it is, we don't need more under a faux political shroud.

Decatonkeil: Some people have a kids' idea of what freedom of speech entails. Nothing is really won from this. it doesn't help us to look at the problem from a new perspective. Let them pat themselves in the back I guess...

hedwards: When I was a child I used to think this way, but as an adult I've come to learn that there should be some limitations placed on free speech. At least in public. In the privacy of your own home if you want to depict things like that, then so be it.

It's definitely counterproductive to insult the religion if we're trying to convince moderates that we don't hate Islam.

Soccorro: Swan rape sounds like a nice topic.

Crewdroog: so are nachos.

Here is this bit of nacho fun. Actually, that's a lie. competative eating like this makes me nauseated.

to continue with your topic, if you google "leda and the swan" and hit the ol' image tab, you'll see some rather interesting art.

Soccorro: Thanks...Thats going to help me with my scientific work on...on...science! Yes science! Believe me, i have a made up doctor in...science...

Crewdroog: oh well then, I am Dr. Crewdroog, cryptozoologist. it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance.

KiNgBrAdLeY7: Ok then. I got you covered. I am a cryptozombologist. Now we cover all scientific fields!