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Strijkbout: I'm getting a tired of your hate and mass hysteria.
The Islamic state and terrorists are just a fraction of all there is to Islam, if you feel the need to generalize and think there is nothing more vile in the world than muslims you're half a nazi already, they also thought there was nothing more vile than communism and jews.
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Klumpen0815: Erm, actually:

"The only religion I respect is Islam. The only prophet I admire is the Prophet Muhammad."
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Klumpen0815: – Adolf Hitler, quoted by Ahmed Huber; Kevin Coogan, "The mysterious Achmed Huber: Friend to Hitler"

"Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers – then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."
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Klumpen0815: – Adolf Hitler, August 28, 1942

And regarding your mention of communism and jews... you should know yourself how things are going regarding those topics in muslim countries.

"the Apostle of Allah said, ‘Kill any Jew that falls into your power."
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Klumpen0815: – Ibn Ishaq, Siratul Rasul, v. 553

But see what Muhammad wrote himself in the "holy" quran regarding the Jews:
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2.61 Wretchedness and baseness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah.

2:96 Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They’d like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell.

4:160-1 For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom.

4.16 And for the evildoing of the Jews, we have forbidden them from some good things that were previously permitted them.

5.82 Indeed you will surely find that the most vehement of men in enmity to those who believe are the Jews and the polytheists.

5.60 God has cursed the Jews, transforming them into apes and swine and those who serve the devil.

9.29 Fight against such of those have been given the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, as believe not in Allah nor the last Day.

9.34 Many of the rabbis and the monks devour the wealth of mankind and wantonly debar men from the way of Allah.

62: A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly.
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If you draw the nazi card, do it right, bro.
HAHAHA... And i actually thought this community is open minded. Really, this thread is all about humiliating a single, specific religion. insulting people, ideas or religions so directly is NOT freedom of speech, it is stupid. by the way 3 muslims have been executed in their home by some 46 year old white dude.
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Klumpen0815: ...
I do wonder what Bible says about, say, Egyptians :-P
Post edited February 12, 2015 by Fenixp
Wait, is this part of the WB releases?
What the fucking fuck? D:

Well, that's a failsafe way to provoke people for sure.
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Crewdroog: well this thread is taking a fun turn *eats popcorn*

continue, gentlemen.
Hey man, don't eat them all alone! Please pass some popcorn and nachos over here, too!
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Strijkbout: That's because you fail to see the pragmatism, who am I to say who deserves equal rights, the truth of the matter is that most of the muslims will laugh at such a joke but some don't think it's funny and then there is the universal law that now matter how great ideals are there will always be nutjobs that will come and start killing everyone.
So your answer is: you are afraid. You dare not speak up against the nutjobs in a way they would find offensive, out of fear that they might react violently. As I said: your way of thinking is the working basis of every dictatorship in the world: "Don't say anything, or 'they' might start killing people" You know what. They already do. They kill thousands in the areas they control. They mutilate, enslave and kill. But sure, let's not say anything that might offend them. They are so easily offended, so we have to be extra careful.

In the end, you promote giving all rights to the ones who are the most violent. They can forbid any other religion by penalty of law. But at the same time you would take away rights from those, who do not want to be violent. Your way of thinking and of arguing is: "Give all power to the bullies of the world!"
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Strijkbout: That's because you fail to see the pragmatism, who am I to say who deserves equal rights, the truth of the matter is that most of the muslims will laugh at such a joke but some don't think it's funny and then there is the universal law that now matter how great ideals are there will always be nutjobs that will come and start killing everyone.
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Lifthrasil: So your answer is: you are afraid. You dare not speak up against the nutjobs in a way they would find offensive, out of fear that they might react violently. As I said: your way of thinking is the working basis of every dictatorship in the world: "Don't say anything, or 'they' might start killing people" You know what. They already do. They kill thousands in the areas they control. They mutilate, enslave and kill. But sure, let's not say anything that might offend them. They are so easily offended, so we have to be extra careful.

In the end, you promote giving all rights to the ones who are the most violent. They can forbid any other religion by penalty of law. But at the same time you would take away rights from those, who do not want to be violent. Your way of thinking and of arguing is: "Give all power to the bullies of the world!"
Nope, dare all you want for I care, if you want to explore the borders of decency for your dying newpaper in order to attract some attention, just go ahead.
You want another example, say to your boss he/she is an incompetend asshole, why should you be affraid of getting fired and never be able to get a job ever again, you tell me?
There is nothing wrong with generalizing all muslims as potential terrorists, it's the political correct thing to do these days, they're backward, they're retarded, etc. I'm just saying they're not the only ones, I've seen progressive shining examples gone backward a few hundreds of years in just two lines of text. Treat any group without respect and with hate and it will get back to you, which is exactly the point where were at.
Post edited February 12, 2015 by Strijkbout
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Crewdroog: well this thread is taking a fun turn *eats popcorn*

continue, gentlemen.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Hey man, don't eat them all alone! Please pass some popcorn and nachos over here, too!
wait, there are nachos? here, you can have the popcorn *hands kingbradley7 popcorn then begins searching for nachos*
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Hey man, don't eat them all alone! Please pass some popcorn and nachos over here, too!
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Crewdroog: wait, there are nachos? here, you can have the popcorn *hands kingbradley7 popcorn then begins searching for nachos*
Don't mind me, I'm with these two guys.
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Pardinuz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_HIV
Just saying.

I read in the news last week that there has been an increasing number of adult men seeking this surgery in China for this reason.
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timppu: That's odd, as the article questions the claims:
My bad. I meant to say it seems people believe the claims that it actually reduces the risk of contraction by 50 to 60 percent.

In 2007, WHO and UNAIDS, the Joint United Nations Program on HIV/AIDS, issued guidelines on using medical male circumcision as an additional strategy to prevent HIV infection. According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, clinical trials have demonstrated that circumcision reduces the risk of contracting HIV/AIDS by 50 to 60 percent. The procedure also reduces the chances of contracting herpes and human papilloma virus, two pathogens believed to cause cancer of the penis, by 30 percent.
Here's the news article I read initially, they talk about this trend in China on page 3:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-02/05/content_19495248_3.htm

Personally, I also believe these claims are complete bullshit.
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Klumpen0815: Erm, actually:

– Adolf Hitler, quoted by Ahmed Huber; Kevin Coogan, "The mysterious Achmed Huber: Friend to Hitler"

– Adolf Hitler, August 28, 1942

And regarding your mention of communism and jews... you should know yourself how things are going regarding those topics in muslim countries.

– Ibn Ishaq, Siratul Rasul, v. 553

But see what Muhammad wrote himself in the "holy" quran regarding the Jews:
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2.61 Wretchedness and baseness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah.

2:96 Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They’d like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell.

4:160-1 For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom.

4.16 And for the evildoing of the Jews, we have forbidden them from some good things that were previously permitted them.

5.82 Indeed you will surely find that the most vehement of men in enmity to those who believe are the Jews and the polytheists.

5.60 God has cursed the Jews, transforming them into apes and swine and those who serve the devil.

9.29 Fight against such of those have been given the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, as believe not in Allah nor the last Day.

9.34 Many of the rabbis and the monks devour the wealth of mankind and wantonly debar men from the way of Allah.

62: A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly.
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If you draw the nazi card, do it right, bro.
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Soccorro: HAHAHA... And i actually thought this community is open minded. Really, this thread is all about humiliating a single, specific religion. insulting people, ideas or religions so directly is NOT freedom of speech, it is stupid. by the way 3 muslims have been executed in their home by some 46 year old white dude.
actually, insulting people, ideas and religions IS freedom of speech. However, shouting FIRE in a packed theater is not. In the states, we allow neo-nazis, just like any other group, to hold public rallies. While I personally fucking hate the dick-lickers, I would never say they couldn't voice their opinion. Bc when you do, where do you draw the line? It's just like I would never censor any written works. Yeah, there is some evil shit out there, but the great thing is, we are allowed to call them out on it and not fall victim to their hate, which is what you did. You felt that this thread is getting to be a bunch of people hate-spewing and you called them out on it, good on you standing up for yourself and moral compass. but, if you then say they shouldn't be allowed to talk about their opinions at all, you are just a censor, and no one likes censors. er, well, at least i dont.

I'm an atheist, however I wouldn't shit on someone's religion just cause I don't happen to believe in a god(s). However, if that religion is causing harm to others, then fuck yeah I'm going to call them out on it. Christian's used the bible to keep blacks slaves, keep homosexuals from marrying, women subservient and priests molested children. fuck yeah i'm gonna bash them. but not their faith. the actions, not the faith. Same is going on with Islam. They have practices that are hurting people, and that shit needs to stop. not the faith, the shit.

oh, and for the passages from the Qur'an that were posted. fuck, you can find the same kind of shit in the bible, er well, not about hating jews, but you know what i man ;). oh my god, so much of the same shit. beating and stoning to death women who look at you funny or try to learn, slaves should be happy with their lot, stone gays, non-believers, etc, etc, etc. all the evil shit in the old AND new testament was written in a time when that stuff was ok. now we know better and have evolved as a people. same can be said about the qur'an. Yeah there is some evil, hateful crap, but that's probably not the main point of the book. Just as true christians can sift the crazy from the good in the bible, i'm sure muslims can do with the qur'an.

and to make things fair, here is this: http://www.evilbible.com/
nb: it was the first thing that popped up in search, and the title made me laugh.
Post edited February 12, 2015 by Crewdroog
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GabiMoro: ahahahaha, +1!

I thought only jewish and muslim people have male circumcision (except for valid medical reasons), but to my stupefaction it's a common practice in US and Canada.
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tinyE: Yeah, we also practice deodorant use and dental care. :P
Hey, deodorant is used in half of Europe and I brush my teeth every week, so what's your point?

On a more serious note, I trust the procedure is done using a anesthetic, so the little boy doesn't sufffer at all?
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tinyE:
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GabiMoro: On a more serious note, I trust the procedure is done using a anesthetic, so the little boy doesn't sufffer at all?
No but they do it when we're only a few days old so none of us remember it.

In fact it might be when we're a few seconds old. I'm pretty sure the practice is slap the kid's ass, snip the umbilical cord, and then snip the wee wee.
Post edited February 12, 2015 by tinyE
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Crewdroog: snip
Yeah, I've got some bad stuff about the Bible too, but that's not the topic, so why do you start with Christianity as if I would be defending it?
I had a similar run as Soccorro, just that I had to free myself from the Christianity of my family and it even was accompanied with violence, although not too much and not life threatening as with most Muslims I know in my town.
Stop copying the "Christianity does too"-deflecting that Muslims always do when it comes to not wanting to admit severe flaws in their belief system.

And no, this stuff is no exception in the Quran, the whole thing is messed up, read it youself, everybody should!

My post was a direct reaction to Strijkbout statement about Islam critics = nazis, which is rather the other way round as I've pointed out very clearly.
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Soccorro: snip
Sorry that I offended your family indirectly in some way, Soccorro, but imho that was nessessary and believe me, I've done a lot of this to my own family and their belief system.

People should start open their own eyes and inform themselves.
In this day and age of Internet and free information, ignorance should not be an option.
Post edited February 12, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Crewdroog: snip
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Klumpen0815: Yeah, I've got some bad stuff about the Bible too, but that's not the topic, so why do you start with Christianity as if I would be defending this shit?
I had a similar run as Soccorro, just that I had to free myself from the Christianity of my family and it was accompanied with violence too (although not too much and not life threatening as with most Muslims I know in my town).
Stop copying the "Christianity does too"-deflecting that Muslims always do when it comes to not wanting to admit severe flaws in their belief system.

And no, this stuff is no expection in the Quran, the whole thing is messed up, read it youself, everybody should!

My post was a direct reaction to Strijkbout statement about Islam critics = nazis, which is rather the other way round as I've pointed out very clearly.
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Soccorro: snip
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Klumpen0815: Sorry that I offended your family indirectly in some way, Soccorro, but imho that was nessessary and believe me, I've done a lot of this to my own family and their belief system.

People should start open their own eyes and inform themselves.
In this day and age of Internet and free information, ignorance should not be an option.
omg why are you taking this as a personal attack? i was standing up for your right to post what you wanted and used christianity 'cause i grew up catholic and that's my greatest source of knowledge. I don't know what you stand for, and honestly i could give two shits. My reply to Soccorro had NOTHING to do with you personally. NOTHING. my reply was only about freedom of speech you narcissist.

really, with all i wrote that is the one thing you are taking away from this? and you are calling me out on bringing up christianity in the thread when earlier is was pushing the circumcision and swan rape stuff?? fuck off.