I was talking about my absence over the week.

I am not even sure in what way handle such double post.
I think it would be best if you asked someone from your family (or neighbours) to psot your posts for you. :-p

But to be more serious:
People, be really careful. I know this forum is shit often so you need to be extra on guard.
There were 2 double posts already and while both were apparently not edits and work of wonky software I can't ignore such stuff indefinitely.

I understood your point, though I can see why Sage read it that way.

By all means. Let's talk about me. With Kryp gone there's less competition for the pretty princess title. ;)

I will say that Dedo was on my 2nd tier list of people I was wary of, but as you note he was laying back, and I wasn't sure if my wariness of him was more than OMGUS. Plus I was already on the record for voting RW on a pretty thin basis. Definitely scummy just to hunch-jump, at least once we've moved past the early RVS bullshitting, and there really wasn't that much known on the table.

That said, I think while you're looking at what he said about me you may want to look at what he said about wyrm. I had made myself a viable target, albeit to a lesser degree, in ways similar to wyrm and certainly tripped on my own feet a few times.

So assume one of the people on the wyrm wagon already was mafia, and they'd rather have some townie lynched than a no-lynch, and without putting all the scum on the wyrm wagon, at least early on. I would assume he ended on JMich because my wagon went nowhere, and JMich emerged as viable. JMich or Sage were the two alternates that actually got a bit of momentum, with RW as a very distant 4th, no? And jumping on the RW wagon as the third vote would have attracted attention without a better claim than the one I made at #2.

I haven't looked back at early wyrm votes, but here's who was on about 18 hours pre-lynch while dedo was sitting on JMich:
yogsloth, agentcarr, Jmich, cristigale

CSP gets on to make 5. A few hours later agentcarr gets off. Shorly after Sage gets on to boost it back to 5. Hours later 6-7-8 all come on in short order.

From that point of view, trent looks more innocent, since dedo jumping in his support on the JMich case is arguably a bit too visible to risk, and someone in the above 4 perhaps looks more guilty.

OK voting - Please forgive me if I screw this up. I like going from top to bottom in my searching and bottom to top messes with my dyslexia. and it seems his name missed some votes for some reason with the script so I am looking through the posts manually)

trent -"He wanted to kill everyone in the signup thread, I think he might me a serial killer."

VOTE REMOVED - trent - ((moved it to yogs for --->"You had to know this was coming from me. I do not agree with talking any sort of role information this early in the game, it does not benefit town at all. The PM we receive about our role is for us, not to discuss openly for everyone. All discussing our PMs or roles does is give scum information they don't need."

trent - "All I can say is wow, do you have a death wish? You leave the impression that you are wanting to kill as many people as possible and make a bouncy castle out of their bones, and then you go on to say the only way you can win is if you and a townie are the only two left, meaning you are not a townie but scum or a neutral of some sort. ...... First yogs starts with "let's discuss PMs and roles" and now you come in with a post that's even more scummy. Guess I should have just left my vote on you to start. As much as I would love to leave my vote on yogsloth I can not after your post."

Yogs - post - 193 ((I do not want to break it down and lose any info and its huge so please check the post out yourselves))

agent - "Bookwyrm acted strangely, with his little trap. And his general 'wounded' attitude, when many other players (at least some of whom are definitely town) have told him that his traps are unhelpful, is really not what town needs.
Until I return then, on Friday morning, I am going to "

Jmich - "I am not going to vote you today. I will follow your instinct and go after Wyrm. If your gut is correct, I will only be wondering if you were bussing your scum mate. If Wyrm does flip town though, I will be scrutinizing your every move, since the above two quoted paragraphs are a bigger flag than anything else posted so far in this thread. And with Vitek threatening with deadline, I'd rather have a lynch than no lynch. "


REMOVED VOTE - trent - "I realize day 1 have very little to go on, and it can be a big drag, but that is not a reason to try and get yourself seen as scum by a majority and possibly lynched. Day 1 is mainly a shot in the dark, not going to change unless there are N0 actions. Presenting yourself as you did allows scum to manipulate the situation if they are savvy enough and get a townie lynched (if you are one). Right now I actually find JMich scummier than you because of the post he made when he voted for you, I sure hope I got it right. "

crisitgal - "Bookwyrm – I am placing my vote, at least initially, with Bookwyrm. Primarily, I think it’s possible that this is Book’s first time as scum. The over-the-top antics were purposeful. I lean toward him playing this as scum and not town. Secondary, if he is town, for me personally, his play (at least to this point) has done more harm than good. An analogy comes to mind: You’re driving a car and trying to keep your eyes on the road. Plays like Kryspn’s in general or JMich’s vote might turn my head to the side momentarily, but I still have the road partly-to-mostly in view. With Bookwyrm, I’m turning around to see what’s behind me, I do not see where I should be looking because of the distraction."

CSPVG - "I know I said I'd wait until the weekend, but I'm going to have to Unvote: Sage103082 and Vote: Bookwyrm627"

REMOVED VOTE - agent - "Because I placed that vote in a hurry, without proper research, I am going to
unvote Bookwyrm .. Now, I'm going to try to give my opinion on each of the other players. In another post."

Sage - ((Ive lost count from the hammer)) - (I see your plan as causing confusion and doubt and I see scum looking to do that, not town. I think you have created so much around your plan that it has to be seen to an end. If not- how will we not be back in the same place tomorrow, going over the same things. I also find you to be a smart player and I think this was more then meets the eye.)

WR - 3 posts before the hammer - (I believe we have pretty much learned what we will today. A good amount of discussion and opinions for Day 1. Should be very helpful for Day 2. Leonard has checked in and seems to have at least skimmed the thread enough to have an idea. No point waiting... ---- I actually feel pretty good that we might actually pull off a scum kill Day 1. I don't entirely buy that this was a carefully crafted plan of Bookwyrm's. More likely a slip followed by one of those long-winded explanations on how he's innocent)

Flub -2 posts before the hammer - (I have no solid reason other than avoiding a No Lynch. (and I'm wary of Vitek's deadline) )

Trent - was the hammer (I'm still not sold on you being town Bookwyrm, and if you are your play was not a good one this time. You are a smart player and I find it hard to believe you would want to create talk by making yourself appear scummy and take the chance of getting lynched because of it, not a very town play at all.)

Not voting-

agent - "Bizarre thing. I was creating the post while Bookwyrm was at L-3, but I didn't refresh before posting, so I didn't know that trentonlf had hammered until right now." "He seems to think he's going to be lynched, and it does seem like a possibility, but I'm not going to be on his wagon today, because I read him as a townie who made a gambit that worked a little too well."

Leonard - between Jmich and Wyrm - says he will sleep on it and vote in the morning - was on before the hammer but only posted about short cut keys (with no times I can not tell how soon he posted to the hammer)

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Wyrms - voting - vote Krypsyn - vote yogs - vote trent - votes Jmich)

Dedos - voting - Jmich

Krypsyn - voting - Im not even going to attempt this one - but for the most part was on RW

Cristigal posted a total of 10 times before Dedo posted this about her in post 276:
DEDO - - cristigale is bringing in good content so far, I really like her posts and her thoughts. Leaning Town.

I am going to go over each one of Cristigals posts up until that point.

1. Everyone needs a nice warm welcome, so... Vote agentcarr

2. @bler and @agentcarr – For convenience sake, I believe everyone else, besides Sage and I, are male. Should we refer to you as him or her?

3. (To Bler) - Has Bookwyrm been coaching you? You sound like a clone. ;-)
Do you realize that many of the current votes are placed in jest? Some of the votes are serious, but several are not. Some players rarely vote at all. I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for votes this early in the game.

4. There seems to be a lot of unknowns in this game. Vitek appears to be either setting us up for some surprises or intentionally dropping false breadcrumbs to give it that appearance. We don’t know what information at this point might be valuable. I appreciate yog’s enthusiasm, but I tend to lean toward the side of caution. During day One, with so many unknowns, it seems unwise to talk about roles and PMs. Yes, that is frustrating. I have not played many games, isn’t day One almost always frustrating?
Not everyone likes meta-gaming, but I find it useful. So far, yogs has been his usual self. I don’t agree with his play style but his play is consistent with past games. I agree that trent’s play is consistent, but what he has posted so far would be easy to post as scum.
Bookwyrm has not behaved very Bookish. Whatever this post is, it is highly entertaining. Not quite sure what the angle is. I don’t think it was a slip, perhaps some sort of gambit.
Just refreshed and saw Bookwyrm’s most recent post. Still not what to think of all of this, but at least he’s having fun. @Bookwyrm, is this a natural high or are you on something?
It’s time to Unvote: agentcarr

5. (To agent post 144) Just curious, you seem to be well versed in other players. Have you spent a lot of time reading through past mafia threads? If so, hats off to you. You seem to have a lot a familiarity with players for someone with a rep of 4. No offense intended.

6. (To Krysyn) 'd ask the same of your vote on yogs.

7. (To Bler inrefernce to a vido Krypsyn posted) Only if they watched the whole thing. ;-)

8. Bump in case Sage is ready to post again.

9. Does anyone else wonder why Vitek added to (what I take to be) the standard wording for a no-lynch in the OP?
“A player may also vote nolynch. A majority of nolynch votes will end the day without a lynch. Nolynches are totally viable and sensible option and it's only up to you to decide for one. I won't look down on you for voting one. “ (emphasis added) Perhaps there is a reason we may be more inclined to no-lynch this game, like the no reveal in the milk game. I couldn’t support one tonight, but perhaps we’ll be considering one in the days ahead.
@bler - i can't imagine that the game is so unbalanced that lynching a townie today would seal our fate. For the most part, players vote when it's needed. Some vote sooner and more often than others. No lynch tonight runs the risk of being in the exact same spot tomorrow, but most likely down one town to the NK.

This is the only post that I see any real posting in (post 238)
10.

This post is looking oddly prescient in retrospect.

First game me and Dedo played together he posted a pic saying "bi*** I may be!" When someone asked him if he was scum. He was not scum that game, but I was pretty persistent in my voicing that the pic was a scummy thing to post. He did the same thing next game (town again) and I was very vocal about it. Since then any game we start together we go through the motion of me asking and him posting a pic. Twice now he has been scum when I've asked him that.

Lol, that's funny. Though it takes some of the shine of your perceived powers of perception if asking is just pro forma at this point ;)

Methods are clear, thank you.


Now as to "reasoning" I never stated a reason, just an opinion. I also didn't say "near the end." I stated "when you did" - Perhaps you should parse your words.

I like watching cristigale and trentonlf in the Thunderdome.

When I played on mafiascum there was always a post by a player stating "Intent to Hammer" in order to bring a claim out from the player to be lynched. I have not consistently seen this practice here.

Things I find interesting are... post #759 - seems trentonlf is jumping to RWarehall's defense, as well as wanting some answers for the death of dedoporno.

post #786 - trentonlf flatters and Votes for cristigale

and post #782 which I've have quoted (I hope).

I'm pleased with the exiting of yogsloth and JMich from Thunderdome. I'm currently viewing it as town violence.


Unvote: agentcarr16

Vote: trentonlf

Okay let's look again; more closely.

So clue me in how a player is supposed to answer the underlined/bolded part?? Does it look like fishing for a role by mafia or just an innocent townie trying to make sense in the cruel cruel world??

Again, how can you claim to anything about RWarehall. You accuse mafia of working a case against RWarehall as well as you NOT thinking he's scum.

That's a lot for me to take.

I asked a simple question regarding Dedo. Did he die trying to set a fire or something else. I asked because I have no idea how he could have died that way, so I was wanting to know if someone had an idea of why he did. There was no role fishing there, so again stop trying to make something there that's not.

I don't claim to know anything about RWarehall, all I said was I don't think he is scum. I was also trying to determine why Krypsyn was the NK target. His behavior was odd enough that he would have been a viable lynch today and since he was NKd it could have been because the scum was wanting to use his death to frame RWarehall as that is the only person Krypsyn was concerned about.

I still don't see RWarehall as scum (omg I must be scum for thinking that), and I still don't see a reason for Krypsyn to have been the NK and so I put a theory up.

Sorry, I was assuming that 'when you did' meant 'near the end', which was, ahem, 'when I did' remove my vote.
When I say reasoning, I mean, "Why do you find it scummy that I removed my vote from Bookwyrm when I did?"

I also read Leonard's post as his absence screws the game, but I see Sage's reasoning. Leonard was missing his antecedents :)

Now, there are a few people that are starting to look more scummy to me, but I'm not sure of my reasons yet, so I'll hold off on posting there until later. I also hope to post a wagon analysis sometime in the near future. Bookwyrm's lynching seems to have some interesting features, though it's still not a lot to go on.

Oh, did I say scummy??

When I say "troubling" and needing "further explanation" what I mean is, troubling and further explanation.....



Oh wait.....

I actually typed up this question 3 times last night in various forms and deleted them before posting. But since you've asked, I'll run with it now. About 12 hours before Wyrm's lynch came in, I'd kind of given up on the main targets and was pretty certain I wasn't on board with any of the three viable candidates for day 1.

So with analysis of who we should hang on Day 1 seemingly deadlocked in my mind (I awoke to find the flurry of wyrm votes and was a bit surprised) I moved on to trying to anticipate what scum might do with their NK. The mental exercise was to evaluate each of us in terms of how likely we were to be a target.

Kryp seemed a viable top 5 using the 3 metrics JMich put on the table, plus some other in-game stuff, but like you I was a pretty surprised he was the #1 - dangerous but not unique in that, nor lynch-immune. So why Kryp and not a/b/c player who seemed more likely:

1) obv. my analysis could be wrong
2) Kryp had somehow raised his threat profile in a way town hasn't sussed out - whether because he was on RW, or to cast shade on RW, or for some other point that seemed innocuous to us but meant something to scum.
3) The candidates who would have seemed to be ahead of Kryp are scum or did something to lower their threat profile
4) They picked a top 'x' pool and just RVSed out of it precisely to create confusion

or possible, but probably unlikely, they're day traders who've been shorting their youtube stock. Killing Kryp to cover RW is a risky play. If there's meaning in their selection of Kryp, I tend to think it's possible it tells us less about Kryp and more about whom they may have passed over to hit him.

As for RW, he's come across much towny-er to me in Day 2 as well, thus I don't see enough to keep a vote on him, but I haven't moved off him entirely either.