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Posted August 27, 2014
Cause there's no business like show-business!

Our DRM-Free approach to digital distribution has been the foundation of GOG.com since day one and we're convinced it is now firmly rooted in the gaming industry landscape. More and more users start to expect and demand the digital content they paid for to be free from any kind of restrictive mechanisms that limit access to their collections and get in the way of enjoyment. We think this is a good time to take the next step in our quest to make digital entertainment better for everyone. Today we set out to spread our DRM-Free ideas across the movie industry! That's right: GOG.com now offers DRM-Free movies.

Our goal is to offer you cinema classics as well as some all-time favorite TV series with no DRM whatsoever, for you to download and keep on your hard drive or stream online whenever you feel like it. We talked to most of the big players in the movie industry and we often got a similar answer: "We love your ideas, but … we do not want to be the first ones. We will gladly follow, but until somebody else does it first, we do not want to take the risk". DRM-Free distribution is not a concept their lawyers would accept without hesitation. We kind of felt that would be the case and that it's gonna take patience and time to do it, to do it, to do it right. That's quite a journey ahead of us, but every gamer knows very well that great adventures start with one small step. So why not start with something that feels very familiar? We offer you a number of gaming and internet culture documentaries - all of them DRM-Free, very reasonably priced, and presenting some fascinating insight into topics close to a gamer's heart. Now, what do we have in store for you?

- There's a whole new Movie Catalog for you to browse!
- All the movies we sell are priced at $5.99 (that's a launch promo price for a few of them), and we aim to have that as the main price point for most of our future releases
- Two of the movies - The Art of Playing and TPB AFK: The Pirate Bay Away From Keyboard are available for FREE, so that you can test our new movie distribution features
- Most of our movies are in Full HD 1080p quality, some in 720p. With those of you with limited bandwidth or download quota in mind, we also supply much lighter 576p versions.
- Apart from downloading your movies you have the option to watch them streaming online, right here on GOG.com
- GOG.com is famous for its bonus goodies - each movie will come with as many of them as we can muster
- You can expect subsequent movie releases each week

That's it. GOG.com Movies is a go, time to get some popcorn!
Posted August 28, 2014
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eRe4s3r: What is the exact encoding for these movies though? Good h.264 encodes can look awesome (and with 10bit, at a smaller size), but only if the encoder has a clue what he or she is doing. For 1080p you are gonna need 8gb at the very least. What's the sizes for a standard movie with this gog movie thing?
TPB AFK is 82 minutes and weighs in at 8155 MB (99MB/min) with 25 FPS, while The Art of Playing is 26 minutes and 1043 MB (40MB/min) with 29.9 FPS, so only comparing those two makes for quite a big variation.
Post edited August 28, 2014 by Maighstir
Posted August 28, 2014
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Barry_Woodward: Vote for these TV series:
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SeduceMePlz: ThunderCats (original 1980s TV series)
Yes! I have the DVD set of it. I love to have the digital set too
Posted August 28, 2014
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eRe4s3r: What is the exact encoding for these movies though? Good h.264 encodes can look awesome (and with 10bit, at a smaller size), but only if the encoder has a clue what he or she is doing. For 1080p you are gonna need 8gb at the very least. What's the sizes for a standard movie with this gog movie thing?
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shmerl: Do you mean lossless or lossy? Above we discussed how cameras handle lossless encoding which can have several different formats, such as HDMI format ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Uncompressed_video )
Not sure about what they do with the audio though.

For lossy, the top quality today are VP9 and H.265 which offer better compression than others and good quality with that. Daala will be next generation and better than them all, but it's still in development so it's too early to use it.
Sorry, i was talking about lossy.

No Smart TV supports VP9 or H.265 though ;) And that's kinda important. and the H.265 and VP9 filters for MPC HC are horrible and look vastly inferior compared to MAD + 10bit H.264 (K, 10bit support is also very bad on Smart TV's)

I am just wondering what the exact encoding specs are for the movies GOG sells here. I would possibly consider buying older movies (not for 5€ but I am sure this gets sales rebates too ,p) if they are properly encoded. But currently I couldn't find any info. Is it a standard thing with the GOG movies, or is it per movie? That kind of Info would be relevant.

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eRe4s3r: What is the exact encoding for these movies though? Good h.264 encodes can look awesome (and with 10bit, at a smaller size), but only if the encoder has a clue what he or she is doing. For 1080p you are gonna need 8gb at the very least. What's the sizes for a standard movie with this gog movie thing?
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Maighstir: TPB AFK is 82 minutes and weighs in at 8155 MB (99MB/min), while The Art of Playing is 26 minutes and 1043 MB (40MB/min), so only comparing those two gives a quite big variation.
Ah.. thanks ;) 80 minutes : 8gb is very wasteful though. I had hoped there'd be some kind of standard. Guess we'll see only when "real" movies come. Indy movies shared freely often have very wasteful encoding, because well.. why not. In case of TPB AFK I honestly don't know why though.. ;P
Post edited August 28, 2014 by eRe4s3r
Posted August 28, 2014
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eRe4s3r: No Smart TV supports VP9 or H.265 though ;) And that's kinda important. and the H.265 and VP9 filters for MPC HC are horrible and look vastly inferior compared to MAD + 10bit H.264 (K, 10bit support is also very bad on Smart TV's)
It should change soon enough, since now they are being actively pushed into the industry. Browsers already should be catching up on supporting them for instance. Various embeded hardware is always lagging behind, but newer models which come out should catch up as well.

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eRe4s3r: I am just wondering what the exact encoding specs are for the movies GOG sells here. I would possibly consider buying older movies (not for 5€ but I am sure this gets sales rebates too ,p) if they are properly encoded. But currently I couldn't find any info. Is it a standard thing with the GOG movies, or is it per movie? That kind of Info would be relevant.
That's what mpv reports to me about TPB video (1080p version):

Playing: tpb_afk_the_pirate_bay_away_from_keyboard_1080p.mp4
[stream] Video (+) --vid=1 (*) (h264)
[stream] Audio (+) --aid=1 --alang=eng (*) (aac)
[stream] Subs (+) --sid=1 --slang=eng (*) (mov_text)
File tags:
major_brand: mp42
minor_version: 0
compatible_brands: mp42isomavc1
creation_time: 2014-08-08 10:57:54
title: TPBAFK UK no subs
artist: Thu, Feb 7, 2013
comment: 1:22:07
genre: Movie
encoder: HandBrake 0.9.9 2013051800
AO: [pulse] 48000Hz stereo 2ch float
(...) AV: 00:00:00 / 01:22:07 (0%) A-V: 0.000
VO: [opengl-hq] 1920x1080 => 1920x1080 yuv420p
AV: 00:00:01 / 01:22:07 (0%) A-V: 0.000

Some more info from VLC:

Video:
Codec: H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10) (avc1)
Frame rate: 25
Decoded format: Planar 4:2:0 YUV

Audio:
Codec: MPEG AAC Audio (mp4a)
Sample rate: 48000 Hz
Post edited August 28, 2014 by shmerl
Posted August 28, 2014
Right there GOG. That's not an DRM free audio codec. That's Apple. Until you use FLAC or WAV you cannot say your movies are 100% DRM Free.


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shmerl: That's what mpv reports to me about TPB video (1080p version):

Playing: tpb_afk_the_pirate_bay_away_from_keyboard_1080p.mp4
[stream] Video (+) --vid=1 (*) (h264)
[stream] Audio (+) --aid=1 --alang=eng (*) (aac)
[stream] Subs (+) --sid=1 --slang=eng (*) (mov_text)
File tags:
major_brand: mp42
minor_version: 0
compatible_brands: mp42isomavc1
creation_time: 2014-08-08 10:57:54
title: TPBAFK UK no subs
artist: Thu, Feb 7, 2013
comment: 1:22:07
genre: Movie
encoder: HandBrake 0.9.9 2013051800
AO: [pulse] 48000Hz stereo 2ch float
(...) AV: 00:00:00 / 01:22:07 (0%) A-V: 0.000
VO: [opengl-hq] 1920x1080 => 1920x1080 yuv420p
AV: 00:00:01 / 01:22:07 (0%) A-V: 0.000

Some more info from VLC:

Video:
Codec: H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10) (avc1)
Frame rate: 25
Decoded format: Planar 4:2:0 YUV

Audio:
Codec: Codec: MPEG AAC Audio (mp4a)
Sample rate: 48000 Hz
Posted August 28, 2014
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u2jedi: Right there GOG. That's not an DRM free audio codec. That's Apple. Until you use FLAC or WAV you cannot say your movies are 100% DRM Free.
You mix up a free codec (not patent encumbered) and DRM-free format. GOG uses perfectly DRM-free formats, but they are patent encumbered (H.264 and AAC that is).

Unfortunately the situation with patents is a huge mess. Google tried to push a free codec VP8 (and now VP9) in WebM, but MPEG-LA cartel managed to sabotage wider adoption with FUD because Google weren't diligent enough to disprove that FUD. They waited too long until court cases to prove that claims are false, but it already did public damage. Then also Nokia came along (probably on behalf of Microsoft) and started patent trolling attacking VP8 with their claims to IETF.

Creators of Opus and Daala hope that their strategy would be more effective, since they dispute all FUD right away and in public, and they also aim to create codecs that beat competition many fold thus providing some actual technical advantage, besides making them patent free. Opus was already well received, up to the point of IETF adopting it as part of WebRTC standard.

In the context of GOG, they need to provide some format that is streamable in the browser using standard HTML technology. That's only MP4 (H.26x / AAC) and WebM (VPx / Vorbis) right now. May be it makes sense to ask GOG to add WebM to MP4, but not anything else I think, since it won't be usable in the browser.
Post edited August 28, 2014 by shmerl
Posted August 28, 2014
I'm here for the games and not the movies, but if this will prove beneficial to your business, as long as it doesn't interfere with your offering of games, i guess good for you.
Posted August 28, 2014
If I might just take a moment to congratulate GOG.com on a bold attempt to become the inexorably advancing wall of ice.

It makes me smile.
Posted August 28, 2014
A pleasant surprise that I was not expecting. Hope to see more movies soon!! Now to expand your Linux library... :D
Posted August 28, 2014
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silalus: If I might just take a moment to congratulate GOG.com on a bold attempt to become the inexorably advancing wall of ice.

It makes me smile.
So GOG is Nekron that expalins the Greyness of the website:



http://www.dvdactive.com/images/reviews/screenshot/2009/8/fireandice011.jpg
Posted August 28, 2014
Unfortunately, none of the large studios are likely to embrace DRM-free any time soon, so the only thing we can look forward to on here is vanity project documentaries. It would be awesome if anything came of this, but I hightly doubt it'll be anyrthing more than GOG wasting resources on something a small minority of their users benefit from.

That is, unless documentaries on nerd subculture are FAR more popular than I'm giving them credit for. In that case, disregard everything I just said.
Posted August 28, 2014
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themathninja: Unfortunately, none of the large studios are likely to embrace DRM-free any time soon, so the only thing we can look forward to on here is vanity project documentaries. It would be awesome if anything came of this, but I hightly doubt it'll be anyrthing more than GOG wasting resources on something a small minority of their users benefit from.

That is, unless documentaries on nerd subculture are FAR more popular than I'm giving them credit for. In that case, disregard everything I just said.
Well, all it takes is one...

But the important thing is, it's a start. The same thing ("never ever EVER, no way, don't wanna, won't can't, nonononononoNO") was said about and by the music publishers too... Until they gave up. And it turns out the sky didn't fall for them... Honestly it's amazing video has gone this long.

But I suppose I'm just preaching to the choir around here, I suppose. :) My point is, yay GOG.com!
Post edited August 28, 2014 by silalus
Posted August 28, 2014
There's also Kickstarter-funded films. Including anime. And one anime in production is already interested in working with GOG:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1300298569/under-the-dog/comments?cursor=7717899
Posted August 28, 2014
I would very much like Anime here, but only with original audio and PROPER subtitles ;) Not what Crunchyrolls calls that....
Posted August 28, 2014
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eRe4s3r: I would very much like Anime here, but only with original audio and PROPER subtitles ;) Not what Crunchyrolls calls that....
Me too! But also with dubs, as sometimes I switch to them when I'm tired or I'm multitasking.
Also, there could be some interesting goodies with them.

I still wish that GOG could improve the file size for 720p videos, however.
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