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LORDAdolf: I'm considering moving over to GOG since Valve/Steam has sold out to GLAAD.

Is it any better here? I just want to play games without the two genders being bastardized.
How is it that you've felt the" two genders" were bastardized while you were playing games?

I'm still extremely unclear how this was happening while you were playing games...?

It sounds to me like your ideological disagreement on message boards was your actual issue... having nothing to do with playing games.

Am I reading this correctly?

If that is the case, what you are actually asking is whether your ideology will be tolerated on GOG?

My opinion...

... if you are genuinely trying to learn about others and the world around you, there will probably be no issue (or very little). If you believe in treating others as you would wish to be treated -- and keep ideological concerns to your personal life -- there will certainly be no issue. If you are interested in pushing your specific ideology here sans respect for others with differing views, you will probably have the same issues that you have experienced elsewhere.

IMO there has never been an unwanted attack on my beliefs while playing games on GOG.
Post edited February 05, 2020 by kai2
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LORDAdolf: It's an important topic.
No..... No, it is not.
I usually welcome new folks and thank them for finally getting rid of Steam and Valve from their lives. I'd interject about how bad it is that Steam removes games from people for forum posts.

I also might normally engage to try to enlighten you to the science that shows your false beliefs as incorrect, but it's clear that would get nowhere.

But not in this case. Let a pox be upon bigots.
Post edited February 05, 2020 by mqstout
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Goebanova: I was not aware there was a "no politics" rule here.
My comments have all been mild-mannered, no need to be so sensitive.

"The Rainbow Reich" just refers to the well known lobbies and political activist groups like GLAAD and their affiliates (the LGBT+++ conglomerates). It's not a good sign of where society is currently when legitimate criticism of political organizations is deemed 'hate speech'
The rule was politics outside gaming was disallowed but some GoG users are scared of being invaded by those political organisations hiding behind special groups that like to cause trouble.

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Earl_Bergamot: That's great an' all, but it has nothing to do with why I started this discussion.

The problem isn't games. The problem is unwarranted punishment for valid criticism towards obvious agenda titles.
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firstpastthepost: The same reasoning applies to that as well. Why do you feel the need to criticise something that has no affect on you? The fact that these games exist literally has zero effect on you unless you specifically seek them out.

You are doing nothing but seeking conflict by criticizing a game for a narrative you have a political opposition to. You are literally bringing this upon yourself.
How would you know if they had no effect on him or negative consequences. Can you remember what happened to GoGs community manager?
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Spectre: How would you know if they had no effect on him or negative consequences. Can you remember what happened to GoGs community manager?
That is a highly specific set of circumstances that is very unlikely to be repeated and actually has nothing to do with what he's saying. Linko wasn't fired cause games were sold on GoG with a specific narrative. You're conflating one person getting fired with something totally unrelated.

The fact that a game is sold somewhere that has a certain kind of narrative has no effect whatsoever on an individual unless they seek it out. Period. No different than any other store selling any other item that I'm not interested in.
Post edited February 05, 2020 by firstpastthepost
Scientifically you can say there are actually three genders: male, female and hermafrodite.

Now, conceptually, the sky is the limit. As long as you don't expect people to believe what you want to believe, everything is ok. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't be respected. If a man wants to be called a woman, fine by me, just don't expect me to call them a woman without that person saying so first because I don't read minds... But then you have the other side of the expectrum, where a physical male, identifying as a woman, thinks he can't get prostrate cancer. Hmm...

Still, this has nothing to do with gaming, So moving back to gaming...

If you force my character to be a transgender in an rpg, then I will have a problem. If you give me the option of being whatever I want, even if it's an option I'll never use, fine by me. However, you can force my character being transgender if it's an artistic decision, like deciding the Doom Guy is a GUY, or Lara Croft being a woman, or the Nameless One being a scarred tower of muscles... Those are artistic decisions and not because I don't identify with the banality of sexual nature or orientation of the character I won't enjoy the game. I'll just play the game. Choice is good. Lack of choice, if artistically justified, is also good. Look at the game Cayne. You play as a pregnant woman and you can't choose anything else. That's the story, you take it or leave it. Monkey Island makes you play as a buffoon of a pirate (and I love that).

I'm seeing that people just don't tolerate anything outside of their confort zone. Yeah, you can't expect a fan of a book series to accept that a character is suddenly gay because reasons, or they change every single (or realistically some but not every) piece of art to be inclusive. I don't have a problem with Wonder Woman being a woman, so why do women have a problem with Batman being a man. Just create a super heroine that can match Batman, instead of just "switching him" like they did with that series. And if you criticize the series as a series, you still get lectured on being a supremacist or stuff like that. And then you have people like the OP who just can't accept anything that is not "conservationist" (or at least that's the way I see it reading his comments).

Geez, I went out of the gaming thing again... Going back again...

It's GAMES. They're not reality, they're not meant to represent reality and even less every single person in the planet. They're just a hobby (addictive, fun and sometimes dangerous... but a hobby nonetheless).

You want inclusion? Just accept EVERYONE, male, female, or in between, can be and will be wrong with a lot of things in their lives.
You seem like a really nice person.
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jonridan: It's ok for game developers to make games how they like if it's an, "artistic" decision
So you're second guessing developers motivations for game design and if you don't like the motivation you've decided they had, you "have a problem"?
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jonridan: It's ok for game developers to make games how they like if it's an, "artistic" decision
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myconv: So you're second guessing developers motivations for game design and if you don't like the motivation you've decided they had, you "have a problem"?
I guess it came a little more aggresive than I thought. But basically, I don't second guess anything, however if a developer comes out and gives a motivation I don't like, or there isn't a motivation I like at a level readable as a consumer without explanations, then yes, I'll have a problem. Having a problem equals not enjoying a game as much or even not buying it. It doesn't mean I'll boycott the game or threat a studio or even start a war with the producers or anything like that. Having a problem is not hating or trying to censore something. You can have a problem with a lot of stuff and still tolerate that stuff... Like I have a problem with taxes, but not because I don't like them I'm going to put all my money in secret accounts around the globe. I guess that explains a little better the part about most people not tolerating anything outside their confort zones.
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Spectre: How would you know if they had no effect on him or negative consequences. Can you remember what happened to GoGs community manager?
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firstpastthepost: That is a highly specific set of circumstances ............
Not in any way shape or form.
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firstpastthepost: That is a highly specific set of circumstances ............
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Spectre: Not in any way shape or form.
Even if you think it’s a common occurrence, it’s still not relevant.
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Fairfox: mods lock thread
But mods, if you are reading this, please don't delete this thread, as there is a rather obnoxious bug that makes the "Topics I've participated in" list no longer expandable when that happpens.

In fact, until this bug gets fixed (if it ever does), you should nod delete *any* topic; worst case, you should just lock the topic and maybe edit out the first post if it really is that bad.
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Fairfox: mods lock thread
Yeah this thread is an embarrassment. Why is it still here.
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LORDAdolf: *Moded, please do not post any content related to discrimination.
What was it that was so bad? Was it just saying one doesn't like LGBT in their games or something worse? Can someone sum it up in a PM to me?

(I am genuinely curious now)
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dtgreene: (Also, adding a third gender to a game in no way affects the first two; rather, it serves to expand, rather than limit, the player's options.)
True, and more options are always better as long as devs aren't forced to add such in to placate anyone or be seen as PC on today's world via the news outlets/etc.

I just don't think every game needs such....just make one blank slate character and let everyone make it the way they feel, and in older games people can "roleplay" a bit and pick the gender that most closely matches how they feel if they want to still play such.
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InkPanther: Edit: oh, and that avatar of yours... Please leave to cause problems somewhere else.
Eh, if staff is ok with people using avatars of serial killers or political things I see no reason why he cannot use that one.....it's mostly tame compared to what some use.

Though I agree he should be civil and not try to insult people/instigate on purpose.
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Flyingfluffypiglet: That's OK as long as this stays on original track and I won't have to regret it. Allow me to point out though that you want to be careful not go so much on the offensive in some of your replies, especially reports threats. That's a sure way to get shot down.
Agreed...saying one will report every post that is just people replying to the thread isn't going to win OP any favors or cast him in a good light.
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jonridan: I'm seeing that people just don't tolerate anything outside of their confort zone. Yeah, you can't expect a fan of a book series to accept that a character is suddenly gay because reasons, or they change every single (or realistically some but not every) piece of art to be inclusive. I don't have a problem with Wonder Woman being a woman, so why do women have a problem with Batman being a man. Just create a super heroine that can match Batman, instead of just "switching him" like they did with that series. And if you criticize the series as a series, you still get lectured on being a supremacist or stuff like that. And then you have people like the OP who just can't accept anything that is not "conservationist" (or at least that's the way I see it reading his comments).

You want inclusion? Just accept EVERYONE, male, female, or in between, can be and will be wrong with a lot of things in their lives.
Just wanted to highlight this bit as I agree with people now wanting to do things in gaming or not outside their comfort zones, but the post was very on point and decently written so kudos.

(Like that bit about playing a pregnant woman and that alone in Cayne, etc....I also just play as characters and don't try to "find myself" in them or make a mirror image of myself in every game.....I usually play to get away from the world for a bit & try things/be people I normally can't IRL)
Post edited February 07, 2020 by GameRager