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The year was 1984 and there was a Brave New World with a cozy temperature of 451 degrees Fahrenheit.
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BruceLeeForever: Should I actually give a crap about this? Will it have an impact in any form, whatsoever on my daily life?

I honestly don't think so....
It won't. Unless you have this super principled notion of "privacy" and feel it necessary to hide behind three layers of proxies that still don't actually keep you secure but you at least feel safe in your tin hat.
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vsr: Why everyone cares about this American law?
I live in Russia, this law has no power here.
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Maxvorstadt: Because american companies act worldwide? Ever heard of Google, Youtube and so on?
Not here in China they don't! *smugface.jpg*
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tort1234: Bills like these get passed because the general public WANTS these bills to get passed.

The average person these days is obsessed with safety, security and comfort. They will happily give away their rights for the promises of more security.

Majority of patriot act supporters were women because they wanted online safety from supposed harassment and more security in their day to day lives.

Some of the slutwalk supporters in my neighbourhood are totally okay with the government putting up surveillance in every corner of the street. Their logic is that when they go to party dressed up like sluts, they want the feeling of safety knowing that the government is watching their back.
People like this happily support more government intrusion.
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011284mm: I think in America you are half/third-right. There seems to be a very uneducated call back for segregation and limitations or the individual rights. A lot of the Universities who published demands wanted safe-spaces that would be segregated into black and white sections as well as choosing skin colour over ability in the faculty.
I also think I get now why the UK government is beginning to push the "how to survive a terrorist attack" matra again. We have not enough students protesting for mummying by their teachers here yet. So we might just go under another false flag early next year to get people to hand over their rights here too. So many people will also happily do it, they still believe that the government has their best interests and safety at heart.
After all you only have to look to France to see how they all knee-jurked into another pointless war that has absolutely nothing to do with them. Just as we did after 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAe7_kXTsbM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jxOXbpTmnk

You say about women being the majority of the supporters and on Facebook, Twitter, Tumbler and probably other places too, women do tend to be the first to call on people being hammered into line or out. So I guess I see where you are coming from. Even so, I really doubt that anyone with a functioning mind would actually be calling on the government to actively sweep through social media to ban bad words. They would probably be more likely (as they were with Google) to attack the companies running the sites to protect them.
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Tauto: What a load of crap!!! No one wants their privacy intruded on.
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011284mm: Really? Have you any idea how many university students have been demanding that security forces crack down on everything happening on their campuses in the USA. They want teachers to have to curb saying bad words that hurt their feelings and to have books edited so they no longer can offend.
This is the same crap as when Christians say ban Harry Potter for showing witchcraft, it is just being said by different people using different words. The reality is, people wont like it when it happens, but they will happily vote for it right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJVZa9_Ha5c
Just look at the number of people on Twitter clambering for there to be better filters to stop people saying nasty things or all those who wanted Google to built up its wrong speak system. You know the reason when you log into Youtube it asks you do any of these videos offend or upset you? Also see the first 20 seconds of that same video.

Also in the UK people have become so accustom to having their privacy intruded that we now have the most CCTV cameras per person in the world, and we also have the highest amount of private (as in not owned by the government) CCTV's in the world. So again people might not like it when they see what it really happening, but they will at the same time happily encroach on others rights without a second thought.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/spy-britain-six-million-cctv-cameras-and-most-are-in-private-hands-8699934.html

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Siegor: Looks like George Orwell wasn't that far off...
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011284mm: In my opinion he was, he just underestimated them.
Just look at China to see what Europe and the USA want for surveillance in 5-10 years time. It really wont be the government feeling the need to enforce it, they will just persuade others to do it for them.
What happens in the U.S or U.K does not in the least bit concern me.If they want more security because of obvious reasons then they can have it.Just because a minority wants something,doesn't mean the majority want it.And that is the whole problem as minority nowadays seem's to rule what the majority can or cannot do.
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BruceLeeForever: Should I actually give a crap about this? Will it have an impact in any form, whatsoever on my daily life?

I honestly don't think so....
I'm honestly in the 'This changes what?' camp. It wasn't like they weren't already spying on us before, according to everyone on the internet.
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BruceLeeForever: Should I actually give a crap about this? Will it have an impact in any form, whatsoever on my daily life?

I honestly don't think so....
Let me tell you a story.
Some time in the early 20th century, there was a list of gay people in Germany being made by whatever spying was technically possible at the time. Although being gay was illegal here, the officials that were supposed to have carried out sentences often didn't, because they thought the punishment was too hard for something that doesn't really affect anyone and there are way more important tasks at hand.
In the 1930s, the NSDAP got their hands on that list...

You get my drift?

It doesn't even need to be about things that are illegal now, like unlicensed copies (could theoretically already get you longer sentences than raping a minor), certain not-allowed items in a historical weapons collection or whatever, it can always be about things that are legal now but not in the future.
Post edited December 21, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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wolfsrain: The year was 1984 and there was a Brave New World with a cozy temperature of 451 degrees Fahrenheit.
You just made my day. +1
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BruceLeeForever: Should I actually give a crap about this? Will it have an impact in any form, whatsoever on my daily life?

I honestly don't think so....
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MrPopo: It won't. Unless you have this super principled notion of "privacy" and feel it necessary to hide behind three layers of proxies that still don't actually keep you secure but you at least feel safe in your tin hat.
Easy to say. Not possible to prove. And already existing spying being legally legitimized means they're getting bolder. If you accept this, tomorrow it'll be a regulator on your credit card to monitor what you buy and from where, or a chip in your car to pinpoint its location, or an ID card that tracks whereabouts after you've been ''arrested'' for something minor.
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MrPopo: It won't. Unless you have this super principled notion of "privacy" and feel it necessary to hide behind three layers of proxies that still don't actually keep you secure but you at least feel safe in your tin hat.
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Shadowstalker16: Easy to say. Not possible to prove. And already existing spying being legally legitimized means they're getting bolder. If you accept this, tomorrow it'll be a regulator on your credit card to monitor what you buy and from where, or a chip in your car to pinpoint its location, or an ID card that tracks whereabouts after you've been ''arrested'' for something minor.
So access to credit card records (which they already have), a useful gadget for when I'm parked at the mall, and the existing ankle bracelets we have and use already? And those don't concern me because I've somehow managed to never get arrested, thanks to my magic system of "not being a dumbass who breaks the law."
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BruceLeeForever: Should I actually give a crap about this? Will it have an impact in any form, whatsoever on my daily life?

I honestly don't think so....
Hard to say. You’ll probably be a little more careful about what you share online, subtle behavioural tweaks your mind can easily pass off as part of growing up. Although we’re probably a bit late for that considering a mistyped Google search and government watchlists have been a common sitcom joke for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz7aF43PZsg
Post edited December 21, 2015 by markrichardb
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BruceLeeForever: Should I actually give a crap about this? Will it have an impact in any form, whatsoever on my daily life?

I honestly don't think so....
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markrichardb: Hard to say. You’ll probably be a little more careful about what you share online, subtle behavioural tweaks your mind can easily pass off as part of growing up. Although we’re probably a bit late for that considering a mistyped Google search and government watchlists have been a common sitcom joke for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz7aF43PZsg
Oh god, imagine messing up what you're typing into google as you turn away for some reason, then you hit enter as you look back and the search says something illegal, WHICH I WON'T MENTION ANYTHING ILLEGAL. (they might be watching, so sssshhhhh!) ;D

or if your sons a total jackass and types it into google to fool with you. Damn, that could turn into one expensive (and severe repercussions included) joke!
Post edited December 22, 2015 by BruceLeeForever
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Shadowstalker16: Easy to say. Not possible to prove. And already existing spying being legally legitimized means they're getting bolder. If you accept this, tomorrow it'll be a regulator on your credit card to monitor what you buy and from where, or a chip in your car to pinpoint its location, or an ID card that tracks whereabouts after you've been ''arrested'' for something minor.
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MrPopo: So access to credit card records (which they already have), a useful gadget for when I'm parked at the mall, and the existing ankle bracelets we have and use already? And those don't concern me because I've somehow managed to never get arrested, thanks to my magic system of "not being a dumbass who breaks the law."
Via court order AFAIK. So is microchip in the skin for your loved ones. Until someone else uses it that is. Well it might not be the case if there is a sudden or radical shift in the policing system. Either way, your choice. If you don't mind when they come for your neighbor, no one will be there to mind you being taken away.
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I think it is only fair that no double standards for corporations exist. In other words, no more trade secrets being kept. If people can no longer have their own privacy online, company trade secrets like software source codes should be available to the general public.
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tort1234: Bills like these get passed because the general public WANTS these bills to get passed.

The average person these days is obsessed with safety, security and comfort. They will happily give away their rights for the promises of more security.

Majority of patriot act supporters were women because they wanted online safety from supposed harassment and more security in their day to day lives.

Some of the slutwalk supporters in my neighbourhood are totally okay with the government putting up surveillance in every corner of the street. Their logic is that when they go to party dressed up like sluts, they want the feeling of safety knowing that the government is watching their back.
People like this happily support more government intrusion.
Agreed. I'm amazed this was down-voted. Truth isn't very popular, sadly.

I always think back to Nuclear Assault's song "When Freedom Dies" written back in 1989. Prophetic.
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NessAndSonic: I think it is only fair that no double standards for corporations exist. In other words, no more trade secrets being kept. If people can no longer have their own privacy online, company trade secrets like software source codes should be available to the general public.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA

If trade secrets and corporate shenanigans were made public, the entire system would collapse from the sheer weight of its own corruption and rot. Pleasant fictions have to be maintained to keep an orderly society. Unfortunately for us little people, our privacy and freedoms are not part of that pleasant lie and therefore may be eradicated by act or omission.

Some may accuse those of us who can see with cynicism or wearing tinfoil hats. A bit of cynicism is good. At least you're aware of who's raping you. The other alternative is to fall asleep during the act and wake up pretending it didn't happen.