New Denuvo games have this requirement, because one trick is to rent a game you want to play on Steam, download it via steam, put steam in offline mode... then refund the game via steam's webpage.

dont think so , with gog you can use galaxy features like achievements and remote saves and ofc updates
so if gog bans your account, and you haven't backuped your games you should be able to legally download it from somewhere right?
if not i really dont get what you get for this supposed ownership , it sounds like fake legal talk

you borrow a book from a library, you don't rent it

I told you, GoG doesn't grant you ownership either. Responding with more "But if GoG grants you ownership" style retorts isn't changing that Digital Products tend not to be ownable.

but some here argue that steam gives rent and gog gives ownership

actually, not quite. as youo know, you don't buy the game on gOg either, but a license. So the ownership on gOg ans Steam is the same. Theoretically, the license holders can revoke your license to play the game. The differnce is that Steam can enforce the removal of the game, while gOg can not. But then you are playing an unlicensed game, i.e. same as pirating.

Off course it is your own moral whats-its determine if you feel it is still your right to play the game you paid for, but this is the legal position.

(to date, I do no know any game makers who have withdrawn any licenses, apart from illigal licenses.)

Indeed. And on top of that, Steam's "offline mode" also only "worked" for CEG protected games only as long as you didn't change motherboard.

And you don't buy games on Steam, you "subscribe" to them (as is literally spelled out in Section 2 of the Steam Subscriber Agreement as to how Valve openly describes its own store - "Steam and your Subscription(s) require the download and installation of...", "As a Subscriber you may obtain access to...", etc).

Define ownership.

sigh... this is what you get when you try to do a joke with fanatics.... do I really need to explain it? The post I responded to had a big Freudian slip, which I found very funny.

edit - I should have know better by now....

edit 2 - Well, I was in a good mood,e now I despair again. so, yeah. carry on, you lot - do your thing.

So because reading the message you're quoting is too difficult, you're just spewing out random nonsense? Steam is a rental service but GoG doesn't grant ownership and, without DRM, GoG doesn't really have any control over your ability to play the game. So GoG is more like a download service, you pay for the luxury of being able to get the downloads you want direct from GoG without looking elsewhere.

I'll ask you too: define ownership!
Everything in life can be legally taken away from you. Are you saying ownership doesn't exist unless it's absolute?

This time you are making philosophy over the real facts of GOG and Steam EULA differences, or the actual court sentencesgiving some direction. You shoud focus on that.
Everybody knows the difference in ownership between a boxed game copy and a digital copy. But If an EULAs focus on product ownership you own he product. Obviously with the limitations of the respective media.
As it is been said ownership is not absolute and the digital media can be an example.

god. and now this.... why don't you just go the last milimeter and claim I am Hitler.... or that nothing matters as entropy dictates the heat death of the universe. so ownership do not matter as everything in the end will just bleed out in to the empty void of the universe and nothing will be left.

In any case, you don't own shit, apparently. therefore then, ownership of games on gOg' is a meaningless concept. This is as following your own argument here; you own your games just as much on gOg as on Steam as ownership is not going to be defined as we are now making so grand statments as " Everything in life can be legally taken away from you.". There - argument solved, you cracked it. No longer any point arguing any further.

Ownership gives you complete authority over something, which is why it's never actually possible to own another human being (said person has their own authority, so you can never gain complete authority.) You're not free to do whatever you want with the installer you download, nor are you free to do what ever you want with the files inside the installer.

The pitiful part is that the people who supposedly "own" the installer or "own" the gamefiles are completely helpless to stopping you from doing anything with it because they lack any authority over what happens to their code once it leaves their systems.

Then we get to legal ownership where someone says "I can prove I was the correct owner of this" but actually read the subscriber agreements... neither GoG nor Steam have any clauses saying that they are required to restore your access to your account or items on your account should you lose them for whatever reason. They may do so as a courtesy but they're not required to,


CDs are like Bearer bonds, the person who currently owns (meaning even if the CD was stolen from someone) the CD owns the license to play the game. You don't really get that with digital downloads, instead you get a license to use Steam to download and play the game with the steam client or a license to use GoG to just download the game. That you can't sell those licenses (unlike the CD) can also result in a dispute over who actually owns what.

"Fanatics"? "Claim I am Hitler"? People here are just talking normally mate. Sounds like you need to take a break and get some fresh air...