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General discussionHow many of you actually boycott Steam games?(1376 posts)(1376 posts)
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Posted September 29, 2012
i see signs that GOG is becoming a force in the industry. Beyond the bright folks behind the desks, to include this vibrant community at large. We've become a market unto ourselves. We share some common attributes: DRM Free, Quality, Digital Swag. We are a market developers can count on. And a sizable community i think we are.

Kickstarter's doing real good. For long time i been frowning on publishers. Seen the limits and restriction they impose. Gamers grok Kickstart. Developers grok Gamers. Publishers.. well my view is they grok just the money and miss the game. Whatever it be, Kickstarter has resonated with gamers.

Kickstarter and GOG were made for each other! Developers make Their game, for us. Publishers fall away. DRM vanishes. Gamers win. GOG eats steam for breakfast !
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Post edited September 29, 2012 by WhiteElk
Posted September 29, 2012
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WhiteElk: i see signs that GOG is becoming a force in the industry. Beyond the bright folks behind the desks, to include this vibrant community at large. We've become a market unto ourselves. We share some common attributes: DRM Free, Quality, Digital Swag. We are a market developers can count on. And a sizable community i think we are.

Kickstarter's doing real good. For long time i been frowning on publishers. Seen the limits and restriction they impose. Gamers grok Kickstart. Developers grok Gamers. Publishers.. well my view is they grok just the money and miss the game. Whatever it be, Kickstarter has resonated with gamers.

Kickstarter and GOG were made for each other! Developers make Their game, for us. Publishers fall away. DRM vanishes. Gamers win. GOG eats steam for breakfast !
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Dafuq did I just read?
Posted September 29, 2012
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Hesusio: Dafuq did I just read?
i don't know. You tell me. You've gone half way, why not finish ?
Posted September 29, 2012
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grinninglich: Why one by one? Just copy the Games folder to an external folder and you are done. Heck, Steam doesn't even allow you to install your games to the directory you want. Directly installing to "C:\" anyway. Dicks!
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MonstaMunch: Firstly, I do hope you were calling Steam dicks and not me, as I wasn't insulting anyone. Secondly, your information is wrong on both counts. Steam lets you pick your directory, and backing up games from places like GG isn't as simple as copying a folder, as it saves different bits of data in different places (ie, the installer and the main game don't get sent to the same folder). Your later statement that the process doesn't work for you because you have a tiny SSD reflects more on the functionality of impractically small SSD's than it does about Steam or anything else.
Of course i was targeting the valve.

You don't get the point. SSD was just an example. Steam install games where it is installed. So, you can not install Steam to "C:" and then select to install your games to "D:" or "F:" or anything like that. It is simple as that. There is no choice. You can not install your main game directory. You can not choose to install "New Vegas" to for example in"Documents\Desktop\RPG\New Vegas". Meaning you can not choose to install a game to your desired sub-directory or completely another place.
Posted September 29, 2012
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MonstaMunch: Firstly, I do hope you were calling Steam dicks and not me, as I wasn't insulting anyone. Secondly, your information is wrong on both counts. Steam lets you pick your directory, and backing up games from places like GG isn't as simple as copying a folder, as it saves different bits of data in different places (ie, the installer and the main game don't get sent to the same folder). Your later statement that the process doesn't work for you because you have a tiny SSD reflects more on the functionality of impractically small SSD's than it does about Steam or anything else.
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grinninglich: Of course i was targeting the valve.

You don't get the point. SSD was just an example. Steam install games where it is installed. So, you can not install Steam to "C:" and then select to install your games to "D:" or "F:" or anything like that. It is simple as that. There is no choice. You can not install your main game directory. You can not choose to install "New Vegas" to for example in"Documents\Desktop\RPG\New Vegas". Meaning you can not choose to install a game to your desired sub-directory or completely another place.
I hate to burst your bubble but my Steam gives me the option to do so. A quick google search and you'll see how.
Posted September 29, 2012
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WhiteElk: i see signs that GOG is becoming a force in the industry. Beyond the bright folks behind the desks, to include this vibrant community at large. We've become a market unto ourselves. We share some common attributes: DRM Free, Quality, Digital Swag. We are a market developers can count on. And a sizable community i think we are.

Kickstarter's doing real good. For long time i been frowning on publishers. Seen the limits and restriction they impose. Gamers grok Kickstart. Developers grok Gamers. Publishers.. well my view is they grok just the money and miss the game. Whatever it be, Kickstarter has resonated with gamers.

Kickstarter and GOG were made for each other! Developers make Their game, for us. Publishers fall away. DRM vanishes. Gamers win. GOG eats steam for breakfast !
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We make use of both GoG and Steam and we are very indifferent to DRM as long as it is not to intrusive.
Post edited September 29, 2012 by amok
Posted September 30, 2012
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MonstaMunch: Firstly, I do hope you were calling Steam dicks and not me, as I wasn't insulting anyone. Secondly, your information is wrong on both counts. Steam lets you pick your directory, and backing up games from places like GG isn't as simple as copying a folder, as it saves different bits of data in different places (ie, the installer and the main game don't get sent to the same folder). Your later statement that the process doesn't work for you because you have a tiny SSD reflects more on the functionality of impractically small SSD's than it does about Steam or anything else.
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grinninglich: Of course i was targeting the valve.

You don't get the point. SSD was just an example. Steam install games where it is installed. So, you can not install Steam to "C:" and then select to install your games to "D:" or "F:" or anything like that. It is simple as that. There is no choice. You can not install your main game directory. You can not choose to install "New Vegas" to for example in"Documents\Desktop\RPG\New Vegas". Meaning you can not choose to install a game to your desired sub-directory or completely another place.
Like darthspudius said, you're simply wrong. There are some limitations, but it doesn't seem like you've checked it out properly.
Posted September 30, 2012
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grinninglich: Of course i was targeting the valve.

You don't get the point. SSD was just an example. Steam install games where it is installed. So, you can not install Steam to "C:" and then select to install your games to "D:" or "F:" or anything like that. It is simple as that. There is no choice. You can not install your main game directory. You can not choose to install "New Vegas" to for example in"Documents\Desktop\RPG\New Vegas". Meaning you can not choose to install a game to your desired sub-directory or completely another place.
Your information is outdated. Steam now allows games that use the new content download system to be installed anywhere. It's a matter of time only till every game will be using that system.

Beyond that, there were simply third party programs allowing you to swap around the location of games like SteamMover, something I'll keep using even now when you can choose your directory already, since I don't always want to uninstall/reinstall to a different HD every time I want to play something on my SSD, I just move the folder with SteamMover and is just as useful for Non-Steam games.
Post edited September 30, 2012 by Pheace
Posted September 30, 2012
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Pheace: Steam now allows games that use the new content download system to be installed anywhere. It's a matter of time only till every game will be using that system.
Ah, remember when that used to be a standard feature of games? Good times, they were, good times... :-)
Posted September 30, 2012
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Pheace: Steam now allows games that use the new content download system to be installed anywhere. It's a matter of time only till every game will be using that system.
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granny: Ah, remember when that used to be a standard feature of games? Good times, they were, good times... :-)
For Steam it's a pretty useless feature for me anyway as the reason I put my non-steam games in a <Games> folder is to keep track of them, something Steam already does for me by keeping it in one place, same with the shortcuts. And for moving folders back and forth to my SSD, using a custom install folder for that isn't very practical to begin with as I don't want to reinstall every time I want to move a game, better to just trick the game into thinking it's still in the originally installed location with some Windows magickery.

But yeah, it was a bit odd Steam didn't have it yet. Thing of the past now though, albeit a bit too recent. It was a legit complaint, and it's been taken care of.
Posted September 30, 2012
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Pheace: [...] there were simply third party programs allowing you to swap around the location of games like SteamMover, something I'll keep using even now when you can choose your directory already, since I don't always want to uninstall/reinstall to a different HD every time I want to play something on my SSD, I just move the folder with SteamMover and is just as useful for Non-Steam games.
You shouldn't be doing that with your SSD drive - each block only has a limited number of writes before failing.
Post edited September 30, 2012 by pH7
Posted September 30, 2012
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pH7: You shouldn't be doing that with your SSD drive - each block only has a limited number of writes before failing.
so basically you shouldn't be using SSD drives for games, unless you want to permanently keep them there?
Posted September 30, 2012
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Pheace: [...] there were simply third party programs allowing you to swap around the location of games like SteamMover, something I'll keep using even now when you can choose your directory already, since I don't always want to uninstall/reinstall to a different HD every time I want to play something on my SSD, I just move the folder with SteamMover and is just as useful for Non-Steam games.
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pH7: You shouldn't be doing that with your SSD drive - each block only has a limited number of writes before failing.
Which is exactly why I install games to my HDD and only move over the games that get a benefit from the SSD (which aren't in high numbers, it's usually the ones that have a lot of texture loading like MMO's or Oblivion/Fallout with texture mods etc etc)

SSD's have improved already, they can handle this easily.
Post edited September 30, 2012 by Pheace
Posted September 30, 2012
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Pheace: [...] there were simply third party programs allowing you to swap around the location of games like SteamMover, something I'll keep using even now when you can choose your directory already, since I don't always want to uninstall/reinstall to a different HD every time I want to play something on my SSD, I just move the folder with SteamMover and is just as useful for Non-Steam games.
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pH7: You shouldn't be doing that with your SSD drive - each block only has a limited number of writes before failing.
While this is true this is sort of blown out of proportion. For example, I own a Intel (320) SSD 120GB and I've a total of 5TB write and 21TB read. According to SSDLife latest version its health is at 99% and estimated life span is 62 years. Obviously it won't hold that long but at least 2 to 10 years as after 10 years the cells have degraded too much. Currently, work time is at 1 year and 3 months.
Post edited September 30, 2012 by Nirth
Posted September 30, 2012
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pH7: You shouldn't be doing that with your SSD drive - each block only has a limited number of writes before failing.
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amok: so basically you shouldn't be using SSD drives for games, unless you want to permanently keep them there?
I wouldn't exactly say that. Games aren't much worse than any other application when it comes to writing to disk, and there's no limit on the number of reads. Shuffleing games around is a bit different, though, as most modern games are at least few GiB in size, which means you'll be "burning through" the number of write ops a lot faster than with most other usage patterns (except swapping raw blueray images back and forth, I guess..)
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