Posted December 26, 2022
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Breja
You're in my spot
Registered: Apr 2012
From Poland
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Ancient-Red-Dragon
"Many messages from gamers" = Fake News!
Registered: May 2017
From United States
Posted December 26, 2022
I just completed the survey.
I found very ironic that the survey asked many questions about how convenient or not convenient GOG is to use, whilst the survey itself was very inconvenient in that it kept presenting huge laundry lists of choices and then presenting an "error," many times in a row, when I accidentally didn't click on every single one, since there were so many of them all bunched together.
They should have separated the questions more into smaller lists. I think a lot of people will ragequit out of the survey rather than complete it, for exactly the reasons which I just described.
As for the content of the survey: GOG asked a lot of questions about things like GOG offering a subscription service.
But I don't see any way how they can possibly accomplish that, without the subscription service failing very quickly, unless GOG first solves their core issue that GOG acquires way too few new and/or premium top-tier games.
I found very ironic that the survey asked many questions about how convenient or not convenient GOG is to use, whilst the survey itself was very inconvenient in that it kept presenting huge laundry lists of choices and then presenting an "error," many times in a row, when I accidentally didn't click on every single one, since there were so many of them all bunched together.
They should have separated the questions more into smaller lists. I think a lot of people will ragequit out of the survey rather than complete it, for exactly the reasons which I just described.
As for the content of the survey: GOG asked a lot of questions about things like GOG offering a subscription service.
But I don't see any way how they can possibly accomplish that, without the subscription service failing very quickly, unless GOG first solves their core issue that GOG acquires way too few new and/or premium top-tier games.
Post edited December 26, 2022 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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rjbuffchix
Online/Galaxy required = DRM.
Registered: Jun 2017
From United States
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AB2012
Registered: Sep 2014
From United Kingdom
Posted December 26, 2022
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Amazon Prime works because it sells several other things that are incentives to retain the subscription (free shipping, Netflix-style Prime Video, etc) beyond just being a one-trick-pony game download service. If EA games were all DRM-Free, you really think people wouldn't pay £3.99 for 1 month and swipe +100x games (that kept working after the sub was cancelled) if there were no other reason to subscribe? The nearest real "you're subscribing just for the games" is far less Prime and far more EA Play, MS Game Pass, etc, that are obviously all DRM'd for that reason.
Post edited December 26, 2022 by AB2012
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mqstout
Pittsburgh cis-gay-male
Registered: Jun 2010
From United States
Posted December 26, 2022
This is a good thing modding should not be tied to any store in any way and should be complete independent. Partnering with existing mod sites (or even modders directly) is the way to go. As they have been.
But yeah, this survey was crap and efinitely highlights the kind of things the suits in charge want GOG to be. Another has-been DRM storefront slash subscription service with "Exclusives!"
But yeah, this survey was crap and efinitely highlights the kind of things the suits in charge want GOG to be. Another has-been DRM storefront slash subscription service with "Exclusives!"
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ChristophWr
Pc Gaming is the Future
Registered: Jan 2019
From Austria
Posted December 26, 2022
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Post edited December 26, 2022 by ChristophWr
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.Keys
The right key always opens the right door.
Registered: May 2020
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Posted December 26, 2022
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If GOG ever really accepts DRM on single player games Im out.
This is simply because GOG can't compete with Steam in any way except DRM-Free front.
About Steam workshop: What people that don't mod don't understand about Steam Workshop is that if you post your mod there, you're basically saying: This mod is not mine anymore, but it's tied to an agreement with Steam, giving them technically ownership over it.
What will happen if GOG tries to imitate this mentality?
This is simply because GOG can't compete with Steam in any way except DRM-Free front.
About Steam workshop: What people that don't mod don't understand about Steam Workshop is that if you post your mod there, you're basically saying: This mod is not mine anymore, but it's tied to an agreement with Steam, giving them technically ownership over it.
What will happen if GOG tries to imitate this mentality?
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Syphon72
Being postive is bad on GOG
Registered: Sep 2011
From United States
Posted December 26, 2022
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Chill. Haha
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Ancient-Red-Dragon
"Many messages from gamers" = Fake News!
Registered: May 2017
From United States
Posted December 26, 2022
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Ergo, GOG integrating with Nexus would be useless...and also a huge waste of GOG's money in the event that GOG would be paying Nexus for this useless "service."
The only way to have real workshop functionality would be for GOG to make a deal with Steam whereby Steam agrees to allow GOG to access Steam's workshop files. Doing that might actually be a good idea, if GOG could negotiate good terms for that deal (i.e. if GOG doesn't have to pay Steam a lot of money in exchange for access to workshop files).
And in this idea I'm suggesting, I mean terms that include GOG being allowed to offer the workshop files in DRM-free format.
Post edited December 26, 2022 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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rjbuffchix
Online/Galaxy required = DRM.
Registered: Jun 2017
From United States
Posted December 26, 2022
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If any content is locked behind DRM or, for me, the functional equivalent of DRM (such as online-only requirements), a game then ceases to be DRM-free as a whole, for the same reason that if I am served soup with a hair in it, I can't keep calling the soup "hair-free" at that point. "A" is not simultaneously "Not A".
Some of us don't want hair in our soup but get told we're overreacting because the soup is mostly hair-free, we can sip around the hair, maybe in a few days when the soup gets cold the chef will remove the hair, etc. Why is it so much to ask for completely hair-free soup, as it were?
We know from the past that it is possible to provide products the right way, so there really is no excuse to accept any less.
Btw, just realized you are OP...thank you for putting pro-consumer answers as you indicated there.
Post edited December 26, 2022 by rjbuffchix
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ChristophWr
Pc Gaming is the Future
Registered: Jan 2019
From Austria
Posted December 26, 2022
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This is simply because GOG can't compete with Steam in any way except DRM-Free front.
About Steam workshop: What people that don't mod don't understand about Steam Workshop is that if you post your mod there, you're basically saying: This mod is not mine anymore, but it's tied to an agreement with Steam, giving them technically ownership over it.
What will happen if GOG tries to imitate this mentality?
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If any content is locked behind DRM or, for me, the functional equivalent of DRM (such as online-only requirements), a game then ceases to be DRM-free as a whole, for the same reason that if I am served soup with a hair in it, I can't keep calling the soup "hair-free" at that point. "A" is not simultaneously "Not A".
Some of us don't want hair in our soup but get told we're overreacting because the soup is mostly hair-free, we can sip around the hair, maybe in a few days when the soup gets cold the chef will remove the hair, etc. Why is it so much to ask for completely hair-free soup, as it were?
We know from the past that it is possible to provide products the right way, so there really is no excuse to accept any less.
Edit: The cybepunk dlc stuff is dumb and im aware of the hitman debacle but every game can be installed offline and can be played that way
Post edited December 26, 2022 by ChristophWr
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.Keys
The right key always opens the right door.
Registered: May 2020
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This is simply because GOG can't compete with Steam in any way except DRM-Free front.
About Steam workshop: What people that don't mod don't understand about Steam Workshop is that if you post your mod there, you're basically saying: This mod is not mine anymore, but it's tied to an agreement with Steam, giving them technically ownership over it.
What will happen if GOG tries to imitate this mentality?
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Look, Im a modder too and I use Nexus. While I agree with the conservative mentality about moddb being the survivor of true DRM Free modding, at least Nexus allow you to post your multi platform mods and rewards modders in a way that Steam wants to, but better.
It's really concerning that many new and old modders are just accepting Steam's way of handling Workshop.
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BrianSim
DRM Refugee
Registered: Dec 2019
From United Kingdom
Posted December 26, 2022
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The arrival of Epic has, as feared, took a chunk out of GoG. Many devs/pubs are using Epic as their "alternative" to Steam. GOG needs great ideas, it needs to be able regain some of its market share and retain it, otherwise its not going to be able to survive.
Post edited December 26, 2022 by BrianSim
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ChristophWr
Pc Gaming is the Future
Registered: Jan 2019
From Austria
Posted December 26, 2022
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Look, Im a modder too and I use Nexus. While I agree with the conservative mentality about moddb being the survivor of true DRM Free modding, at least Nexus allow you to post your multi platform mods and rewards modders in a way that Steam wants to, but better.
It's really concerning that many new and old modders are just accepting Steam's way of handling Workshop.
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From France
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