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rjbuffchix: And it will be too late to undo all the DRM at the point when people like yourself feel comfortable in admitting "the complainers" have a point. You might as well say "gee, you know guys, I think you're right that microtransactions were a bad idea". Too late, they're here to stay now. Other than maybe some social discomfort, what do people like yourself have against joining up with us "complainers"? Or at least standing aside and letting us complain with getting pushback.
Dude, i'm Polish, half of what we do is complain. And believe me, i've done this a lot, even here. Porn games on the landing page, removal of main patches, publishing inferior versions of the games or supplanting older editions with new ones, bending to publishers and authoritarian countries. All of this is infuriating, but THIS? This is nothing. You are irrationally angry over NOTHING.

Don't assume things about me just because your weird obsession with useless incentives to use their garbage launcher is apparently something earthshattering.

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mqstout: Here's the easiest litmus test to apply: Can someone take their offline installer, put it on an offline machine (say one in a cabin in the woods that has no Internet connectivity at all), install it, and get the same, complete, nothing-missing*, experience as someone playing on a connected machine?
In the case of Cyberpunk or Witcher? Yes, except for a shirt and an armour set IN THE NEW VERSION OF THE GAME.

Just stop pretending i'm someone rooting for GoG or you just come off as abrasive and annoying, implying that i lied somewhere, and not really worth having a discussion with. You don't have to like what GoG did here, I DON'T LIKE THAT SHIT EITHER, but you are overblowing this nonsense. Again, I'M AGAINST A LOT OF WHAT GOG DOES, but THIS is not an issue.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Knightspace
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Knightspace: Don't assume things about me just because your weird obsession with useless incentives to use their garbage launcher is apparently something earthshattering.
It's really fascinating how many times the same thing has to be repeated, and yet people still don't get it. But ok, here we go again: whether the content is "uselsess" or not is not relevant. It's still DRMed content on what was supposed to be DRM free store. The content in question is not what bothers anyone, no one gives a shit about it. It's the fact of DRM in and of itself that concerns people.
I see the usually people derailed this thread.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Syphon72
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Knightspace: Don't assume things about me just because your weird obsession with useless incentives to use their garbage launcher is apparently something earthshattering.
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Breja: It's really fascinating how many times the same thing has to be repeated, and yet people still don't get it. But ok, here we go again: whether the content is "uselsess" or not is not relevant. It's still DRMed content on what was supposed to be DRM free store. The content in question is not what bothers anyone, no one gives a shit about it. It's the fact of DRM in and of itself that concerns people.
Apparently it bothers a lot of people here. How many times do i have to repeat that it's not something i support or even fucking agree with? It isn't and those dumb incentives shouldn't be barred behind Galaxy, all i'm saying is that this stuff is NOTHING compared to other shit GoG pulls.

Remember Devotion? Or, as it was mentioned here, No Man's Sky? Companies treating GoG users as a second class with gog not doing anything about that? I can't even play KOF online without Galaxy and that's annoying as all hell.

Apparently perspective is kinda hard to present on forums.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Knightspace
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Knightspace: weird obsession with useless incentives
Stop looking at what the content is, step back, and look at the big picture. I've repeated plenty of times: it doesn't matter WHAT is gated behind the DRM. It matters that there is indeed DRM.

DRM on GOG is not a non-issue. And you can be damned sure it's a carefully crafted tactic that it's small so-called "useless" things to stick feet inside the door and lube up the ramp and orifices.
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Knightspace: weird obsession with useless incentives
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mqstout: Stop looking at what the content is, step back, and look at the big picture. I've repeated plenty of times: it doesn't matter WHAT is gated behind the DRM. It matters that there is indeed DRM.

DRM on GOG is not a non-issue. And you can be damned sure it's a carefully crafted tactic that it's small so-called "useless" things to stick feet inside the door and lube up the ramp and orifices.
That's just paranoid thinking.
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Syphon72: I see the usually people derailed this thread.
A thread, started by GOG putting out a survey soliciting if people would be happy to have anything-goes DRM or care about DRM-free at all? There's no derailing. But I guess you're here now to try.
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Knightspace: That's just paranoid thinking.
Yet already proven true by the quantity and quality of DRMed content on GOG, alongside this very thread where GOG's asking people, "hey, are you OK if we stop with that whole DRM-free thing" in an official survey? And so on?
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Knightspace: Apparently it bothers a lot of people here. How many times do i have to repeat that it's not something i support or even fucking agree with? It isn't and those dumb incentives shouldn't be barred behind Galaxy, all i'm saying is that this stuff is NOTHING compared to other shit GoG pulls. Apparently perspective is kinda hard to present on forums.
Care, then, to admit -- contrary to your above postings that:
(A) It is indeed DRM? and
(B) You're not OK with it?

Because you have been very much denying that it's even DRM. And also simultaneously saying you're OK with it.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by mqstout
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Knightspace: That's just paranoid thinking.
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mqstout: Yet already proven true by the quantity and quality of DRMed content on GOG, alongside this very thread where GOG's asking people, "hey, are you OK if we stop with that whole DRM-free thing" in an official survey? And so on?
Not at all. I haven't said that GoG isn't looking to quit the main thing that keeps them on the market, i just said that dumb free shit isn't an issue when it comes to the bigger picture. I'm not sure why people here blew it up so much.

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mqstout: Care, then, to admit -- contrary to your above postings that:
(A) It is indeed DRM? and
(B) You're not OK with it?

Because you have been very much denying that it's even DRM. And also simultaneously saying you're OK with it.
It's not a drm if it doesn't prevent you from accessing the game, but i'm not ok with it. Not sure why you are so hellbent on proving otherwise.

Where the fuck did you get that i'm fine with drms?
Post edited December 27, 2022 by Knightspace
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Knightspace: dumb free shit isn't an issue
Once again: It doesn't matter that it's "dumb free shit". What it is is irrelevant. That it's free is irrelevant. That there is DRM is a problem. That DRM has retroactively been added to a game is a problem. That the games are CDPR's own flagship titles is a problem. That The Witcher 3 is an industry darling and has been previously written about high, low, everywhere, and used as an example of "games done right" and "you don't need DRM in a AAA title" but now has DRM in it is a FREAKING GIANT ISSUE.
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Knightspace: Remember Devotion? Or, as it was mentioned here, No Man's Sky? Companies treating GoG users as a second class with gog not doing anything about that? I can't even play KOF online without Galaxy and that's annoying as all hell.

Apparently perspective is kinda hard to present on forums.
What are you talking about? How does any of that invalidate the problem of introducing DRMed content? Criticising one thing is not defending the other. Are we to forever ignore new problems because of what happened with Devotion?
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Knightspace: Remember Devotion? Or, as it was mentioned here, No Man's Sky? Companies treating GoG users as a second class with gog not doing anything about that? I can't even play KOF online without Galaxy and that's annoying as all hell.

Apparently perspective is kinda hard to present on forums.
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Breja: What are you talking about? How does any of that invalidate the problem of introducing DRMed content? Criticising one thing is not defending the other. Are we to forever ignore new problems because of what happened with Devotion?
New problems? What's new about promoting garbage launcher? I'm saying there are bigger issues that WILL lead to more corporate behaviour from GoG.
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Breja: Yes, if it introduced games with DRM we could "just not buy them".
Exactly. It's what I'll do.
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Breja: But that's not what we want.
Sorry, but nobody cares what maybe 200 to 300 people in this forum want.
The several ten thousands that simply buy their games and install and play them over Galaxy, without caring over whether Galaxy is being liked by us here in the forum, and the ten thousands who don't care if a game comes (in parts) with DRM, because that's what they are used to anyway, despite us here being against DRM...those ten thousands are the customers that will decide the future of GOG. Not us.
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Breja: There's little to no point to GOG like that, such stores already exist, and we CHOSE not to use them.
So, you agree, that there's no real incentive for GOG to become "just one of these other stores"?
Good. That's the first step away from panicking over the fate of, as of yet, unlaid eggs.

And even if GOG turns into one of these stores, all you will have to do, is to choose again. Where's the problem?

I turned my back on more stores and magazines and websites, than I care to count.
And I will do do again, if GOG ever introduces DRM to the SP games they sell.

My life will go on - one way or the other.

And if you think different then you can't have experienced many losses in your life.
Trust me: your life will go on.
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Knightspace: dumb free shit isn't an issue
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mqstout: Once again: It doesn't matter that it's "dumb free shit". What it is is irrelevant. That it's free is irrelevant. That there is DRM is a problem. That DRM has retroactively been added to a game is a problem. That the games are CDPR's own flagship titles is a problem. That The Witcher 3 is an industry darling and has been previously written about high, low, everywhere, and used as an example of "games done right" and "you don't need DRM in a AAA title" but now has DRM in it is a FREAKING GIANT ISSUE.
It's not a DRM if you can access the game, especially not if the older version is STILL AVAILABLE WITHOUT GALAXY.
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Knightspace: It's not a drm if it doesn't prevent you from accessing the game
It does indeed prevent you from accessing a part of the game. That's what DRM is and does. A game isn't DRM-free because you can get to the title screen and roll the credits. By what you're stating, Hitman 2016 was also DRM-free, since it didn't "prevent you from accessing the game".

Reread my cabin bit, learn a bit more about what DRM actually is and does. It's not a magical abstract concept. It's pretty freaking concrete, and the stuff in CP2077 and Witcher 3 meet every meaningful definition of DRM.
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Knightspace: It's not a DRM if you can access the game, especially not if the older version is STILL AVAILABLE WITHOUT GALAXY.
Please stop denying that content that requires an Internet activation to get it (including, in Witcher 3's case, REPEATED activations) is DRM.
Post edited December 27, 2022 by mqstout
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Knightspace: It's not a drm if it doesn't prevent you from accessing the game
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mqstout: It does indeed prevent you from accessing a part of the game. That's what DRM is and does. A game isn't DRM-free because you can get to the title screen and roll the credits. By what you're stating, Hitman 2016 was also DRM-free, since it didn't "prevent you from accessing the game".

Reread my cabin bit, learn a bit more about what DRM actually is and does. It's not a magical abstract concept. It's pretty freaking concrete, and the stuff in CP2077 and Witcher 3 meet every meaningful definition of DRM.
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Knightspace: It's not a DRM if you can access the game, especially not if the older version is STILL AVAILABLE WITHOUT GALAXY.
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mqstout: Please stop denying that content that requires an Internet activation to get it (including, in Witcher 3's case, REPEATED activations) is DRM.
I will deny it, because it ISN'T a drm. You activate it ONCE and you can play offline without a problem with the dumb stuff unlocked. To me it looks like you are just blindly biased.