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Bucktooth voted me for a faulty reason and when I corrected it he gave me the same faulty reason. At first I thought this was scummy, but he probably genuinely does not realize it, as scum would likely be more aware of their faulty reasoning and would not want to use openly faulty reasoning. So town.

I Feel like catte's #93 and #95 are likely to come from a scum perspective.

Ambiti0n is just fluff.

I Claim VT.
In the meantime [I typed this between Frost's wait and unvote], here's my personal list of "nonsensical" votes. It's very different from a list of "votes I disagree with". I can disagree with a vote yet imagine how the opinion can be held by a townie, and agree with a vote but dislike its motivation. The votes I consider nonsensical are the serious ones that have no argument or an argument so weak I tend to see it as dishonest.

FrostburnPhoenix wins : posts 8, 42, 130, 164.
(He also did two understandable posts : 128 and 148.)

Atlo gets two : posts 59 and 165*.
(He made zero votes that It's consider reasonable.)

Scene has one : post 32
(And one vote that is not entirely irrational : 170.)

Scanjuro has one : post 174
(And no other vote, he didn't justify his vote at all.)

Catte has one : 177*
And no other (serious) vote.

Let's also note that Catte's 177 and Atlo's 165 can be seen as opportunistic. They are end-of-wagon votes against Frost, which can be motivated by the "no no lynch" strategy, but also by some "oh look our buddy is doomed let's bus him quick to look innocent" or some "oh look a townie may be lynched, let's give it the required push". They have no real intrinsic motivation, which makes me a bit uneasy with them.

Those who know me from other games can guess that the original form of this is a spaghetti plate of colorful arrows. And it's just one aspect. Just votes. Leaving aside arguments made without votes. Don't have the courage to map these for the time being.

People can disagree with my evaluation of the votes. This is essentially a map of my opinions. Other lists may be interesting. If only to contrast them.
Unvote Frost!

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FrostburnPhoenix: I Feel like catte's #93 and #95 are likely to come from a scum perspective.
Your response to those is pretty much the core of my read of you. In my mind the "Scum have daychat??" thing is either a derpclear or an engineered one.
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my name is anime catte: Unvote Frost!

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FrostburnPhoenix: I Feel like catte's #93 and #95 are likely to come from a scum perspective.
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my name is anime catte: Your response to those is pretty much the core of my read of you. In my mind the "Scum have daychat??" thing is either a derpclear or an engineered one.
You're going to leave a claimed VT alive?

This is fake.

Vote catte
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my name is anime catte: Unvote Frost!

Your response to those is pretty much the core of my read of you. In my mind the "Scum have daychat??" thing is either a derpclear or an engineered one.
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FrostburnPhoenix: You're going to leave a claimed VT alive?

This is fake.

Vote catte
Not indefinitely you numpty. I am still in favour of lunching you today, I just backed off at dedo's request.
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FrostburnPhoenix: Unvote

Bucktooth voted me for a faulty reason and when I corrected it he gave me the same faulty reason. At first I thought this was scummy, but he probably genuinely does not realize it, as scum would likely be more aware of their faulty reasoning and would not want to use openly faulty reasoning. So town.

I Feel like catte's #93 and #95 are likely to come from a scum perspective.

Ambiti0n is just fluff.

I Claim VT.
LOL

Me giving a reasoning for voting you and then doubling down when you give the response of "nuh-uh" is far from what I would call "faulty reasoning".

What reasoning SHOULD I have pulled from you voting dedo for being "fluffy and LAMISTy" and then retracting that vote after Dedo gives the slightest bit of push back?

From my position I see two potentials:

1. Youre town who is being very liberal with your voting ability before really builing an arguement for said vote

2. Mafia who is trying to split votes up in hopes of a no-lynch.

I have seen you play before to know that you have good sense of how the game works, you have to know that when you throw votes around left and right it does not look like an honest attempt at solving the game.

the fact that AS I WAS TYPING THIS you jumped on Catte showing amnesty...yeah my votes staying put.
Legacy:

Lynch catte then maybe scene or AZ.

Do not lynch buck or Telika.
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bucktoothgamer: What reasoning SHOULD I have pulled from you voting dedo for being "fluffy and LAMISTy" and then retracting that vote after Dedo gives the slightest bit of push back?
None. Why would you seek to intentionally pull reasoning from something?
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bucktoothgamer: 1. Youre town who is being very liberal with your voting ability before really builing an arguement for said vote

I have seen you play before to know that you have good sense of how the game works, you have to know that when you throw votes around left and right it does not look like an honest attempt at solving the game.
Why wouldn't I be?

Maybe I'm just too MU diluted.
And shouldn't I be locktown from my VT claim?

I Changed my mind. You can lynch buck if he's scummy in future days.
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bucktoothgamer: What reasoning SHOULD I have pulled from you voting dedo for being "fluffy and LAMISTy" and then retracting that vote after Dedo gives the slightest bit of push back?
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FrostburnPhoenix: None. Why would you seek to intentionally pull reasoning from something?
Why would I try and deduce the logic of actions in a social deduction game?
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bucktoothgamer: While I share similar sentiments about the Telika questioning being overboard
Idk, seemed legit to me.

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bucktoothgamer: With so little concrete info to go on at this point, wouldn't coming out and saying "IM MAFIA" be pretty high up the scummy list regardless of joking or not? So early in the game no one has any evidence of their town-ness to refute the angry mob when they have to go into "its just a joke mode".
This reminds me of a Vine where someone pretends to piss on someone's tire in the parking lot of what could only be a U.S. shopping center and then running away from the angry proprietor for their life shouting "It's a joke, it's a joke, IT'S A PHUCKING JOKE!"

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csanjuro: I'm not mafia
Join the club!

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Atlo: one who draws attention to herself cannot possibly be mafia!
Oh, you sweet summer child...

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FrostburnPhoenix: dedo feels a little fluffy and LAMISTy.
I must be in the crepuscular zone because I've been agreeing with you too much.

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supplementscene: *list*
If I've missjudged anyone please let me know your objections
I must be feeling good because I wanna say the list is only half lame.

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supplementscene: What do players who've played with Dedo think about this???
He does seem rather defensive and noncommittal. His playstyle has evolved over the years though. I would check his most recent mafia role game, but I doubt you'd find much. Even if behavioral similarities exist, he's an experienced enough player to be dynamic and thus nothing will be consistent over the event horizon to an end game.

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bucktoothgamer: The only other real lead I have seen worth looking into is Telikas being suspicious of Lift's pro-town tutorials, but as I said before I find it hard to really fault bad faith investigation this early if they're not going to put a vote behind it.
You seem rather suspicious to me.

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my name is anime catte: AmbitionZ
Who?

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Atlo: but I don't really see how lynching an innocent townie would result in anything useful.
Any flip would be info gain because then we'd have a wagon to analyze, former arguments, interactions with others, or lack thereof.

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Atlo: No, because I said - I'm simply, by nature, suspicious of anyone who is helpful.
Must be a post-communist thing. Straight outta that eastern playbook.

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FrostburnPhoenix: I Think you have to write out their entire username.
Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?

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Catventurer: I'm expecting that Az is going to show up late (again), get hit with a penalty from the game moderator (again), and start doing marathon posts (again.)
Hey, at least I'm two for three here!

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csanjuro: what means "I'm TOWN"?
I'm chaos and you're mayhem.

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PookaMustard: 12 hours extra for free, everyone!
And you get an hour, and you get an hour, and you get an hour. Everyone gets an hour!

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Telika: reformulate it again and again and again and also again.
Damn, that's a lot of agains....

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Telika: Ambitionz
Who?

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Telika: the scumminess of the Joe thing shits aswell
Damn. I hope it got toilet paper.

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Telika: I think that posting-a-lot-without-content may be a good thing to check
My partner said I should become a tik-toker.

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Catventurer: I was town-aligned and tied to Joe via the Lovers role. If he had dropped any hints to me in the thread that he was also town-aligned, they all went over my head so I remained clueless to his affiliation.
Funny. I recall him doing so, albeit I only noticed them post-claim.

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Catventurer: I do believe that out of Lift and yourself that if one of you is mafia that it is also true that at least one of you is town
Unless they have a daychat and are doing an outstanding job of manipulating us like I wish I could manipulate the options market.

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Telika: because he could also have genuinely not read the rules and yet have attempted to make us believe there's no mafia daychat (thinking it would be a nice secret to keep). It's one more possibility that weakens my "ignored daychat threrefore town" theory.
I'm not following.
If
A) he genuinely didn't read the rules
and
B) knew that there was a scum daychat because he is scum
then how does that lead to
C) us knowing that there is a daychat without it being in the rules (Frosty's assumption in the scenario you present)
so he could
D) try to convince us that there is no daychat?

This is more than just a stretch now.

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Telika: And also (and I'm aware that, ironocally, it veers close to omgus aswell), I didn't really like his post 112. Cat (who I tend to imagine town) stated that he hesitated to vote against me but refrained himself thinking I was new to the game, and Frost just mentioned I wasn't. It's true and informative, but it was just that. It implicitly meant "go ahead, vote Telika please" but (this is what I dislike about it) it wasn't accompanied by an opinion. It wasn't "feel free to vote Telika, but I think he's town" or "feel free to vote Telika, I also think he's scum". It felt more indirect, and seemingly uninvolved.
Tell me, do you like disclaimers?

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FrostburnPhoenix: 3. You don't scare me. Is this because I never accepted your friend request?
What am I reading?

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FrostburnPhoenix: You and dedo don't s-scare me bakas!
Ppffffft

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csanjuro: Dedo?
You slap a porno at the end and get a player's name. We often use nicknames and abbreviations here. It takes a little to get acquainted with all of them, especially when some people change their profile name or have different accounts.

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Catventurer: Please forgive me?
I'll think about it.

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Catventurer: Do you see anything suspicious about post #47?
Nope, the post is alright. But Telika's inquiry was also legitimate, at least coming from someone who is not acquainted with Lift's playstyle.

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Catventurer: Here's a bump post in case you need it. I'm off to bed.
Thank you! I didn't need one then, but I might need one now. Bed time is also coming fast for me.
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dedoporno: And yes, this is how I play during the early game which shouldn't really stop you voting me if you think you're onto something as my play doesn't really change that much as either alignment.
Of course you'd say that. It's not like anyone would give a roadmap to how they're playing differently. "And when I'm scum, I do X thing."

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dedoporno: "shouldn't be rewarded"
No cookie for you!

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dedoporno: You may reconsider after you see me standing in the shadows in the corner of your room tonight. You know how you can always tell when someone is watching you. Scared now?
So are you Batman or the bad guys?

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dedoporno: *reads*
Deece reads, actually.

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dedoporno: Ambiti0nZ - Has been non-present most of the game, likely because of IRL reasons. Has appeared recently with a few bits and pieces here and there. Nothing outstanding, mostly fluff. Certified gangster and third most handsome man in the game. Most likely scum. Lynch and you can't go wrong. 60% of the time it works every time. Joking aside, pretty basic and neutral stuff. Could be scum hiding, could be Town not doing a whole lot.
Outstanding!

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dedoporno: As far as preference goes the people I'm more willing to vote are CatV, buck and AZ, I guess. No particular order. Maybe that order.
Eh, you win some, you lose some.

I do feel that the former two are a bit different. I need to mull things over a bit more.

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Atlo: As a side note - I find it interesting that Catventurer, who has up until now, staunchly defended Frosties erratic and wacky behaviour, changed his Vote.
Cat is a she.

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Atlo: Please, for the love of God, tell me you did manage to figure that one on your own out.
I chuckled. It's okay though. Forum mafia can be nebulous and we do use a lot of specialized terminology and "specialized terminology". I explained below what's what.

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Atlo: Uhh... thanks ?
You're welcome!

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my name is anime catte: This is all true, but it's absolutely something scum!catte would take into account. As scum I have to actively dampen my enthusiasm for playing scum. But in this case it's all natural baby!
Fair enough. Have a nice day!

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bucktoothgamer: Or maybe because you have changed your vote FIVE times since D1 Started?

Joe(I'll give you this one for RVS)
Catventurer
Catte
Dedo
Lift
Dedo again
Bucktooth

It's hard for me to look at someone pointing the finger so indesciminately without thinking that you're just trying to throw options at the wall and see which one gains a following.
A reasonable argument. Not sure how it fits into the meta, but fair is fair.

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supplementscene: The more I read of Frostburn's posts I've gone from finding him 'Probably Town' to being all over the place.
It does seem to be his meta. Given his previous alignments, I'm uncertain if NAI or town. I need more data.

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csanjuro: Dunno. He seems suspicious
Cat is a she.

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dedoporno: I don't know the list by heart but I'm pretty sure it was more than 4 players.
It was 6. Two were missing, four weren't particularly active. Albeit he did say he listed 5 (five) in a latter post just after the list one. Could just be a fat finger more than any malintent.

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dedoporno: You listed them, yes, but you took special interest in me
I mean, you did call yourself the most handsome player.

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Telika: Seriously, the irony.
Bahaha. I'm ded.

Vote Joe

I'm just kidding.

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dedoporno: Now that you have stated your "reasoning" and taken a more firm stance do you mind backing off and letting the guy speak before someone hammers "accidentally"?
Seriously. It's getting hot in here.

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dedoporno: This wagon is gaining so much traction in a terribly easy manner.
Eh, Idk about this. It's been taking its sweet time.

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FrostburnPhoenix: Ambiti0n is just fluff.
Not everybody gets Shakespeare, I get it.

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FrostburnPhoenix: *legacy wishes*
Trash list!

Now you're back to your normal self.

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FrostburnPhoenix: Maybe I'm just too MU diluted.
Gross. Is that where the zoomers hang out?
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FrostburnPhoenix: I Claim VT.
Meh but we can't always have some tectonic movement type of claims. Could be true but at this point it's probably not enough.

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FrostburnPhoenix: I Want Bucktooth to respond before I claim.
I'm curious why was important for buck to respond before you claimed VT?


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Telika: Those who know me from other games can guess that the original form of this is a spaghetti plate of colorful arrows.
I haven't played with you but I can already see this.


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FrostburnPhoenix: And shouldn't I be locktown from my VT claim?
You should? How so?


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Ambiti0nZ: Unless they have a daychat and are doing an outstanding job of manipulating us like I wish I could manipulate the options market.
Oh, come on!


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Ambiti0nZ: I mean, you did call yourself the most handsome player.
Second most handsome. Joe is still technically in this game's roster for whatever reason.


Anyway, at this point I don't think Frostburn won't be the lynch. I don't support it as I don't find him particularly scummy but I'll join it if I have to for the sake of the lynch. If he does end up flipping scum feel free to hold it against me.


PSA: I have already informed Pooka about this but everyone should be aware that I'm traveling late night tonight and will be away until next Monday late night. Luckily the Night should cover at least half of my absence but if I survive it I'll be missing for the first couple of RL days of D2.
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I'm going to do a deeper dive into Cat and Booktooth who seem like the only other viable lunches. Re-read their posts and see whats what. And I might vote for one of them depending on what I find.
Okay 13 miniutes should be safe to post

Cat looks like she is trying to solve the game, looking at various tells for clues

Booktooth has made 1 post that I saw. Where he sat on a convenient caravan and merely repeated other peoples criticism. That gives me scummy vibes and even if he is town such little contribution is not going to help the cause

Unvote Dedo

Vote Booktooth

I'm also willing to hammer Frostburn if needs be. I don't think his LAMIST - I claimed Vanilla Town, that clearly shows I'm town is very Town. But he could possibly be naive enough to believe this.