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babark: Why would you choose dedo, buckgrooth and RWarehall? What is the significance of that choice?
Oh, snap! Baba decided to play the reverse card. :O
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babark: Why would you choose dedo, buckgrooth and RWarehall? What is the significance of that choice?
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Ambiti0nZ: Oh, snap! Baba decided to play the reverse card. :O
Leonard03?
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JoeSapphire: dedo said I was asking psychoanalysty questions before and I was like "am I?" and

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JoeSapphire: Tell me more about the feeling Frostburn is not completely new.
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JoeSapphire: yeah I see it... o_O
How does that make you feel?
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JoeSapphire: fukkin. Ouch.

We've not played together before then?
I do not recall you from back then. How long have you been around for?

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Ambiti0nZ: Oh, snap! Baba decided to play the reverse card. :O
My image didn't upload, ugh...
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Ambiti0nZ: To me you're the new player, diluted less sassy version of yogsloth.
Oh lol, Joe's been playing mafia here since the date on his profile. Pretty sure he created the account to come and play mafia when I invited him and that was maybe only the second or third game on GOG.
Also hey! Joe is plenty sassy, he just has a smaller ego than yogsloth. :P
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my name is catte: Oh lol, Joe's been playing mafia here since the date on his profile. Pretty sure he created the account to come and play mafia when I invited him and that was maybe only the second or third game on GOG.
Also hey! Joe is plenty sassy, he just has a smaller ego than yogsloth. :P
Must've been MIA during my peak years of activity then. Either that or he's so brilliant he blinded my memory of him completely. New player still!

I find it highly dubious I cannot upload pictures. Guess GOG hates me.
My first was the 6th game actually, but WHO'S COUNTING??


And just to be clear, I love Yogsloth. Just my ego cannot abide me to be called the diluted less sassy version of anything.



Anyway: Back To The Game.
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JoeSapphire: My first was the 6th game actually, but WHO'S COUNTING??

And just to be clear, I love Yogsloth. Just my ego cannot abide me to be called the diluted less sassy version of anything.

Anyway: Back To The Game.
Ha! You were inactive exactly during my years of peak activity.

New player still!
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Ambiti0nZ: New player still!
NO U

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Ambiti0nZ: I find it highly dubious I cannot upload pictures. Guess GOG hates me.
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Posting this part first as I'm all over the place with my catch up trying to follow each set of exchanges over two pages, and then continue with my catch up and put the rest in some legible order before posting.


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ZFR: No I'm not avoiding it. I replied twice. Let me repeat a third time what I wrote:

"I was reading through posts, thought I found something but it eluded me. I went through them again trying to catch and that's when your first and second posts caught my attention. So I questioned you."

If there is a conflict anywhere I don't see it.
Why did you vote FrostburnPhoenix in post #102?



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Ambiti0nZ: [...] I think y'all just miscommunicated, but the way y'all reacted is definitely sus. [...]
Does this "y'all" include others besides ZFR and FrostburnPhoenix? If yes, who and why?


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Ambiti0nZ: [...] The exchange between you and Frosty seems a bit sus. Actually, y'all both sus. [...]
Can you go in a bit more detail - what, how and why they're both sus?


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Ambiti0nZ: [...] This is most likely a survivorship bias for you now. [...]
I don't understand this; rephrase/elaborate, please.


@ZFR and @Ambiti0nZ, I've gone over your exchanges a couple of times, and I'm not sure I actually got what the problem between the two of you is. Could each of you, please, make your case for the other? Thank you.



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LordCephy: [...] And another mafia tactic that I ran into on that site was to lay low and not post much in the mafia game thread while posting quite a bit in other threads. This way they would be seen but not in a way that attracted too much attention to themselves. So with that in mind, it might be a good idea to check as to who has and who has not been participating.
[emphasis added]

Is this in relation to the ZFR/FrostburnPoenix argument that was happening at the time? Either way, have you done this check? What did you find? If not, why haven't you since you deemed it worthy mentioning this tactic?

I'm also interested in hearing what about FrostburnPhoenix's posts reads like he's not a real newbie (post #227). I'd appreciate it if you could point to specific posts and things about them.
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bucktoothgamer: [...] The ZFR Frostburn debacle as a whole is a struggle for me because I see ZFRs position as more town than Frost's but due to my above list along with the potential PR I would not be voting Frost [...]
And skimming further down, I see this post of yours:

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bucktoothgamer: [...] And yes I do find ZFR more town than you, if it wasn't for your PR hint and you being new to GOG mafia I would have voted you by now.
You frame this as "I find ZFR more town than you" which reads to me that neither's bellow the null line - "more/less townie" suggests that they're both on the town side, just one's more/less than the other. But in both posts you make it clear that if it weren't for FrostburnPhoenix having claimed a PR and being a newbie you'd be voting them, which suggests that he's on the scummy side (even in spite of the above two factors?).

So talk to me about what you find scummy about them, and why you frame it as "ZFR more townie to me" when you seem to have a scum-lean on them.


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bucktoothgamer: [...] I have to agree with ZFR on this being a bit odd. [...]

I wont be placing my vote on you yet as this early in the day making a 3 vote wagon feels like jumping the gun [...]
I'm not sure I see what your reasoning for wanting to vote Ambiti0nZ is. How do you go from "this is a bit odd" to "won't vote for you yet"? Could you rephrase/go a bit into it?


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bucktoothgamer: [...] Our last game alone we lost 2 town PRs to back to back mislynches... [...]
Which game was that, and which two town PRs were mislunched back to back?



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dedoporno: [...] I'm not certain in my read here as Frostburn doesn't exactly behave like a lost Townie, [...]
Can you point to something specific or is it an overall feeling?



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babark: [...] General first opinions? You seem to talk a LOT, but apparently (according to in-joke images) that's par for the course, and you're some sort of detective digger upper.

JoeSapphire also seems to talk a lot, but it seems like less substance?
...

See? I'm not going to get some magical "read" on people by all the talking you're doing here, especially not on the first day.
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babark: It just seems a lot of talking just for the sake of talking (blending in the foreground rather than the background, as you said lurkers might do) with non-content jokey responses and therapist style questionifying of other people's statements [...]
These replies read like that you're actively lurking - you're aware of who's posting what, and you even have an opinion about the value (and possible motivation?) of what's been posted, yet up until you were questioned for opinions, you had a total of three posts with no actual contribution or comment to the game. What's your plan for D1? Do you intend to place a serious vote, and how are you going to decide?


@all - could you take a look at Catte's posts #48 and #187, and tell me how they read to you?


@RWarehall, assume EoD1 is right now - who do you vote and why?


I'm off for today, will try to be back on tomorrow.
I Just happened to remember this from the signup thread. https://www.gog.com/forum/general/you_fight_like_a_dairy_farmer_players_for_lucas_arts_themed_social_deduction_game_wanted_forum_m/post4
So we shouldn't have 4 scum.

razza seems scummy but this could very well be because he is a newer player and I'm not going to vote him D1

ZFR still easily could be scum, but my read of him is far more town than when I claimed, and if he is town I would expect scum to push his wagon. Earlier I thought Bucktooth was doing something similar but it appears I misunderstood him. But I will keep an eye on AZ.
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LordCephy: [...] And another mafia tactic that I ran into on that site was to lay low and not post much in the mafia game thread while posting quite a bit in other threads. This way they would be seen but not in a way that attracted too much attention to themselves. So with that in mind, it might be a good idea to check as to who has and who has not been participating.
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HypersomniacLive: [emphasis added]

Is this in relation to the ZFR/FrostburnPoenix argument that was happening at the time? Either way, have you done this check? What did you find? If not, why haven't you since you deemed it worthy mentioning this tactic?

I'm also interested in hearing what about FrostburnPhoenix's posts reads like he's not a real newbie (post #227). I'd appreciate it if you could point to specific posts and things about them.
I meant to check, but I got completely distracted by Dorfromantik and forgot to do it. This game is a major distraction for me, like even mentioning it has me wanting to go play it. If you look at my GOG profile (https://www.gog.com/u/LordCephy) Those are not just stupid and useless achievements like in pretty much every other game. It means that I unlocked the ability to use those tiles, and I will use those tiles. I made a post back in June on the "What made you happy today?" thread about this game. Very few games bring me this much joy. https://www.gog.com/forum/general/what_made_you_happy_today/page545

I'll get it done within the next two to three hours. I closed out of Galaxy, so no more Dorfromantik until after. (I have a cat that I'll need to feed any time in the next thirty minutes.)


Anyway, it has nothing to do with the ZFR/FrostburnPhoenix thing. I was thinking that assuming that ZFR is right that there are three mafia members in this game, who do I suspect? FrostburnPhoenix

And? FrostburnPhoenix

Besides that? FrostburnPhoenix

The logical conclusion then is that if FrostburnPhoenix is mafia, that the other two might be laying low and trying to not draw any attention to themselves.

If FrostburnPhoenix is not mafia, he's been doing an excellent job of looking very guilty for them.

For your last question, read on...

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LordCephy: The reason I am less confident about Frost being Town is that none of his posts actually read like someone that is completely new. I haven't played in a long time such that there's lots of new/unfamiliar stuff, and even I know not to offer to share my role function.
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JoeSapphire: Tell me more about the feeling Frostburn is not completely new.
I apologize as this is going to get long because there's quite a few posts to refer back to. For this reason I am using the following format:

PosterName: what they said here
link to actual post
my comments


Okay, this post is turning out to be very long such that GOG was just going please wait forever, so I'm going to have to split it up into parts. I'm going to play Santa Squid at the same time to see who has been posting and who has been lurking about.

I'll use the "Let's Get Kraken" meme in all parts.
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HypersomniacLive: @RWarehall, assume EoD1 is right now - who do you vote and why?
Interesting question...
The player is think is scum is Detective_razza but new players get to live through day 1.

I think 1 (or more) of you, ZFR or Ambiti0nZ are active enough and hiding in plain sight. More likely 1.
I have too many Town reads, or misunderstood probably Town, so one of them is likely the 3rd.

Of the 3 aforementioned, I'd say Ambiti0nZ seems to be active, posts often, yet actually says very little with most posts reminiscing with only superficial attempts to read the game. Hence...

Unvote Dedoporno
Vote Ambiti0nZ

ZFR and his proclamations about neutrals (and sticking to it despite macleod's late dropout strikes me a little off. As well as the declaration about 3 scum. Conversely, he also seems a little too active and too embroiled in controversy to be scum. He didn't fall into it, he embraced it and that's something that befalls "try hard" Townies. He's a mixed bag.

You, HSL, just aren't as active as I recall, although I'm not sure you ever were all that active Day 1. I have no scum vibes besides lack of activity, but also very little that says Town.
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JoeSapphire:
FrostburnPhoenix: Based on the flavor, i'm expecting a lot of roles.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post5
The looked rather odd when I first saw it, but I initially dismissed it. However when you get to the Frost-ZFR comment, even this post is a bit suspicious.

FrostburnPhoenix: I Misread it, nevermind.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post7
What did he misread? I considered asking myself, but I was already having a hard time following things due to the acronyms that I was reading as a private in-joke. It seemed odd to call out the fact that he himself misread something without saying what he misread because it makes him look like he's hiding something. (In comparison, I myself mentioned misreading scum as scumm (as in Script Creation Utility for Maniac Mansion) beause there was nothing to hide here. In hindsight, I have to wonder if this was meant to be a bait post so that he could reveal that he has a role while also implying that he is a Townie and that anyone against him was not.

bucktoothgamer: Catte is clearly a shapeshifter, going from Salvador to Sanspoof
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post12
Which I read as a joke because 1) catte literally means female cat (which can be confirmed with any online dictonary or just Google) and 2) Sanspoof is literally a cat while Salvador is not. I thought it was just a last minute "oh I must be at one with my own catness" thing, such as if I made a last minute change to either tentacle, except that they're both varying degrees of evil on top of only being disembodied cephalopod arms.

FrostburnPhoenix: Do you think Lift accidentally posted his PR name?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post14
Except that Frost feels the need to turn it into an issue.

FrostburnPhoenix: Should I consider Catte being listed as Sanspoof a joke, or a mod slip?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post20
And doesn't let it go.

JoeSapphire: I told him to be beloved Sanspoof, who is actually a catte and therefore adheres to his aesthetic, instead of Salvador Limones a few hours before the game started.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/page2
Here's where Joe confirms what I thought - nothing to see here, just a cat being a cat.

bucktoothgamer (to FrostburnPhoenix): You seem to know the basics of mafia so if at any point I explain something that is completely obvious to you I do apologize. I have never played outside of GOG so im never sure what mechanics of the game are Mafia standards or just GOG hi-jinx.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post22
And here's someone else getting the feeling that Frost isn't quite new.

FrostburnPhoenix: I Suppose I could have PMed Lift instead. Didn't think of it.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post23
I was already thinking that maybe he did think about it but decided to draw attention to Catte's public role change for some reason. Hmmmm.....

Lifthrasil: Before I go to work for today, one mod confirmation: Catte's change to Sanspoof was a last-minute pre-game change of heart by him. He PMed me and asked whether he would be allowed to change his character. And since the characters are public anyhow and everyone can read the official character list in the OP, I allowed it.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post25

ZFR: I doubt catte is Mafia. He was Mafia last game only, what are the odds of him rolling Mafia again.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_76_trouble_in_the_lucas_arts_multiverse/post29
There were some other comments after this about how it would be pretty rare for someone to be mafia two games in a row.
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