So, Buck's post raised some red flags for me. Imagining a situation where both me and ZFR are town and Buck is scum-
So here he provides a reason to find ZFR townier than me but vote him anyway.
Here he says he believes scum would night-kill me, allowing him to not night-kill me, and then raise a case against me.

It might seem like nothing but I do find it to be raising red flags.

The sun sinks lower. It's past the zenith now. And on the horizon the orange shine of an active volcano with lactose intolerance can be seen. On a hill in the distance a few green sheep run past, chased by a salesman in a colourful jacked who tries to sell them a previously owned ship. Or coffin. Same thing, really. Henry sees a stone-disk lying in the sand. But since it's markings are pre-antique and have nothing to do with the holy grail, he ignores it. Meanwhile, discussions are ongoing. But so far no one has admitted to being evil.

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Official Vote Count

ZFR 1 - frostburn 138
babark 1 - dedo 202
bucktooth 1 - catte 187
dedo 2 - Joe 24, RWare 59
AmbitionZ 2 - babark 155, ZFR 193

dedo and Ambitionz tie at L-5. 7 votes required to lynch.
Not voting: bucktooth, Cephy, AmbitionZ, razza, HSL
The Day will last for about 3 days.

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Btw. looking at the pace, the Day maybe should have been shorter. I'll stick to my announcement and in the past I liked to make a longer D1, so that everyone can arrive to the game and get their bearings and then shorten it to something like 5 days Day and 2 Days Night. But perhaps for future games the inverse would be better. Make D1 shorter (e.g. 4 days) to force some activity and speed things up to D2, where the actual gameplay with evaluating information and so on can begin. What do you think?

I can kind of see both sides of it. I think more stuff of value probably happens on D2 than does on D1, but I think that the D1 stuff is useful to be able to reference back to and a short D1 might not leave much to analyse later.

I believe I already established that it is a risk and reward situation, had I not?


Your entire schpeal against me is that the speculative scenario I presented is unlikely to such a degree that it is best assumed that your assumption of scum having to do something against Frost at night is the base scenario onto which the discussion should be framed. Read your own post #193 and then onwards.


I will repeat myself one final time, after which I shall interpret your difficulty to understand my explanations as malfeasance.

The way you framed my questioning of your justifications as unlikely to such a degree that my point should be dismissed because of your measly anecdote makes it so that it's irrelevant that you didn't explicitly say terms such as imperative, your dismissal of my speculation, as baseless as yours given the number of unknown variables at play still. It is this certitude with which you said "Nope" in post #193.

Combine this with your attempt to portray my questioning of your justifications as an argument for Frost's lynch and I'm starting to seriously consider that you're just shipping around for cases to latch on.

Irrelevant. Please read what I have detailed above.


For everyone else following this exchange, please be aware that from the very get go I have only been questioning ZFR's justifications and arguments. I did not at any point question or make a case for Frost's lynch as ZFR has implied in post #193.

We should not proceed forward with speculation on what Nightfall might bring unless we're willing to admit that we don't know much about the dynamics at play yet and anything and everything is just about as likely to happen.

Careful there! I was just told that this is very unlikely. Duh! Too risky, know what I mean?

Yes, I am being sarcastic and facetious because of my exchanges above.

I have all the questions...

Are you trying to see if we are AI?

Oh, the progress! How times have changed since I last played. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I really like the slow pace of Day 1 nowadays and reminisce about the long Days of the old games fondly. (Were they actually long or is this just in my memories? I recall them being long. But maybe my perception of time was also different since i was much younger and had lots of time at hand.)

*sigh* Yeah, I'm done with you. You clearly (and now I'm beginning to suspect: purposely) not understanding what I've written.

I wrote in reply to HSL that if TownPR!Frost is left alive then Mafia have to either [Deal with him] OR [Risk leaving him alive]. Period.
What. Is. Incorrect/Unlikely. With. The. Above Statement?

I'm NOT speculating what they'll do at Night, I'm merely pointing out the possibilities. I don't know why so difficult to understand in the above statement, and at this point I no longer care. Especially since you again seem to add accusations out of thin air that I never made, like so:

(what??)

I'm done wasting my time.

Okay. You're misreading me on purpose to paint a certain narrative.

Perhaps you should keep better track of your own posts.

This was such an unnecessary and non sequitur closing of your argument that it can't possibly be an accident. Your thoughts are either scrambled or you're trying very hard to imply something.

Sure thing.

Vote ZFR

I can't tell if you quoted me by accident when trying to pull apart the Ambition post that this was a response to, or if you're just taking a huge leap of assumption based on my written word? At no point did I say that scum was going to NK(night-kill) you, I simply stated that you hinting at having a PR means that you are on the low priority for lynch this day.

And yes I do find ZFR more town than you, if it wasn't for your PR hint and you being new to GOG mafia I would have voted you by now.

This AZFR conflict feels like town on town. I don't think I'd be willing to vote for either today.

Ah, sorry, it seems I misunderstood the quote. I Was about ready to vote you but I'll stay on ZFR for now.

Pretty tired to read today and also preparing my boy for his first longer vacation without us. I did a very quick skim and it appears the discussion AZ and ZFR were having has escalated to some extent but I'll be able to look at that in more detail tomorrow after I send the kid tomorrow. I see Babark is still AWOL so I'm comfortable leaving my vote where it is.

Maybe, but the amount of misunderstanding is still astounding.

For my own sanity, can you give me a second opnion, on how would you parse this statement:

Do you read it as:
a) Mafia will: [Do something about Town!PR at Night] OR [(do nothing and)risk his PR interfering with them].
or
b) (Mafia *will* do something about Town!PR at Night) because the alternative is his PR interfering.

i.e. (a) simply states they'll have a choice to make. That's how I meant it. And hence the comma before "or". (b) implies they will take a specific action.
I'd appreciate a second opinion, especially from an English native, since I'm doubting my own correctness now.

Well the difference is subtle. I wouldn't read it as a statement of what you think will happen, so in that sense I would it's closer to (a).
However there is a sort of implication that you think [doing something about him] is the likely option because of the [risk of his PR interfering with them].

I don't read this as a hard statement of what you think they'll do, but it does read like "they will have to do X if they want to avoid Y" rather than "X or Y could happen".

I guess if I was rewriting to be closer to (a) I might write: "If Frost is Town, Mafia will either do something about him at Night, or risk his PR interfering with them."

Thank you. Yeah, it occured to me it could be like "You have to take the bus or get a taxi" vs "You have to leave in 15 or you'll be late". Both are A or B, but the second statement strongly suggests A is the "desired" choice.

Anyway, thanks again. My OCB is put to rest. I'll drop it now because at this stage it's just a distraction.


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@JoeSapphire.

Bragging rights: dedo, HSL. If there is a 3rd non-Town: razza. If there is a 4th non-Town: RW

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Obstructive concussive bowel?

By the way, I forgot to say I enjoyed the memes. I could have done with that format in the last game. ;)