Mmm. Perhaps.

And of course, if we're picking over phrasing then your statement was "I'm not going to hammer him", not "I'm not going to hammer yet".

ZFR wishes to assure us that somewhere beneath my callous bloodlust is a heart of gold. Probably very deep.

Is breadcrumbing scummy?

That doesn't look good. If Pooka believed that Mafia chose roles after town, then the best move for town is to pick a strategy after roles have been chosen, so that the Mafia doesn't know what to counter. Since they wouldn't know whether the town would reveal the cop, there is still a chance they pick Godfather. But if they know town is going to reveal the cop, they pick strongman.

I'd like to hear Pooka's reasoning though.

It also interests me that Trent voted ZFR for proposing Follow the Cop, even though Pooka was suggesting it on Day 0. Did he miss that, or did he vote ZFR first for a reason?

Micro's posts seem hard to follow. I don't know if that's just his playstyle, or if it's intentional. He could be trying to leave his posts up for interpretation, thus avoiding taking a definite side.

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Now, in honor of GameRager...

Red glances at his fellow officers. Everyone still has little bits of GR on their uniforms. He shudders. He wonders if he can get a hold of Flub's whiskey.

Very keenly observed. Yes, with the little time I had, I already suspected that I wouldn't be back before the deadline. So 'I'm not going to hammer him' was a likely correct statement. But hammering him just because I couldn't be there for the next 20 hours or so would have been mean towards the rest of you, because it would have deprived you of almost a full day of possible discussions and of a possible claim of flubb. I still think not hammering him at that point was the correct decision.

Well, at least that means that you have hidden depth. I, conversely, am blissfully shallow. ;-)

That's how I understood Micro's statement in this context, yes. Of course breadcrumbing can also be done by PRs. But using spelling errors for that would be strange. Especially since Town-PRs usually do not have a hidden chat where they could agree on some spelling error code. So I read that accusation from Micro as an accusation of scumminess.


Possible. And that's exactly why I want some clearer statements from him.

Ctrl + S is your best friend. If you're using Mac then this post makes no sense.

It’s never safe to assume anything, but yes in this case the implication was deliberate.

New page bug bump?

You weren't playing in the previous game, if I remember aright, but I was bitterly(?) complaining that I have never spotted scum since Scene in #57. Every single time I have voted for someone--and they have been lunched--they flipped town. Every single game I have been town, and every single game Scum have totally fooled me.
Therefore, when I vote, I expect to be voting for the wrong person due to my track record. It stinks, and I hate it, but there it is.


1) See above, I think this fully answers that.
2) desperation. I thought that Flub was the scummiest player, and trusted Pooka. Then again, this is feeling like a repeat of the previous game's Book V Pooka match-up, and Pooka fooled me then also.
3) Leaning Scum: Pooka, Book(?), Trent, Red(?)
Leaning Town: Lift, ZFR, Book(? Cannot be on both lists, am unsure about where he should be)
4) I see. Thanks. Overall, I am a bit pessimistic as to my survival rate. I have done badly enough over enough games that (coupled with the fact that my posts do not really point to anyone) I expect to be an easy kill (or an easy snow). >:-(

I do NOT consider breadcrumbing scummy, just...curious. Curious to look into, but not so much that I'd search if I was eliminated from this game. I did it myself when I was a t!1-Shot Vig; I consider it useful. If someone did (as I did) make a series of oddly worded phrases or other remarks, I would look for a pattern to later see "do all these weird words connect to mean anything, or is it just their playstyle and/or puns."


I dearly want Pooka's reactions to all that has happened. I am on the verge of voting for him, but I fear that my willingness to vote for him means he is town.

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wipes bits of Gamerager off of himself and searches a change of uniform and the nearest shower. Considers that perhaps Sapphire should not know about this event, or that it might energize the sick half of the Unbeatable Duo to action.

Ah, I missed quite a ton.

Well, as Lift himself said it, "this stinks" didn't say what about his post smelled.

Yes.

If I want the biggest accuser off me as scum, I could just as easily put a vote on you and end it right there, implicate you of being scum, something like that. If I want to butter up to someone, I would have paved the way for it from the beginning of the game (see last game and how I pocketed gogtrial - from the beginning of the game and he was singing praise for me, and I was able to rely on him to come to my defense when I slipped), not on Day 2, and especially not when I'm in trouble anyway.

@ZFR too

Under this false presumption, just as they could pick strongman to eliminate the cop, they could also pick godfather to fool the cop into believing and trusting someone. It's either just make all lynches go through, or have a scummy someone look so good which the cop finds them to be Town. The way it works is Town picks one of two roles, and Mafia has to select a role to counter one of these two. The only way mafia can completely nullify town PRs is if they're both Tracker and Watcher, which can be both subverted by the Ninja at once.

Indeed I chose Doctor, and I would've been happy with it if it meant Follow the Cop actually worked. I wasn't unhappy with Flub's choices, but merely the fact he hammered them out of the blue looked scummy and made me doubt my choices, as if knowing the mafia had a plan and we fell for it. Now that things have unfolded the way they do, I have no doubt the mafia is already celebrating with wine and champagne.

Sorry, but I don't understand the answser. My question is, how did you expet FtC to work, if you thought Mafia could pick a role after Town and nullify the strategy?

This does not answer the question. Why did you think Follow the Cop would be a good idea if scum could pick a Strongman after knowing that a Cop would be in play? Let me repeat, under the assumption you claim to have made, Follow the Cop would be 'Eliminate the Cop' - and only scum could be interested in that!


EDIT: oh ffs. ZFR was quicker than me. Again! Well, the question still stands.

Okay, there's something I missed earlier. Someone (ZFR?) said that Follow the Cop works like this: someone claims cop on the first day, and they get protected from then on. I thought it was "doc figures out cop via breadcrumbs and protects him." So when I said that "Follow the Cop" was a good idea, I thought it was in a sense that mafia shouldn't be able to deduce who is the cop on an easy platter and figure it out, while the doc finds him as soon as possible.

I really dropped the ball this time around.

You've proven yourself to be very intelligent in the past games, including the first SH you played. It was gogtrial's underestimation of you (a newb wouldn't play that way!) that cost Town last game.

Let's say Cop breadcrumbs and only Doc picks on it, while both Mafia are oblivious of it. But after that, how on earth is the Cop going to reveal results? The whole point of the strategy is that Cop has to tell his results to Town so they know how to vote. So how can he do that without revealing himself.

You thought "doc figures out cop via breadcrumbs and protects him." What did you think happens next? On D2?

If what you say is true, I'm going to be very disappointed in you.

Incidentally, where did you get information on "Follow the Cop"? The mafia wiki page makes it clear from the beginning:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Follow_the_Cop
"The Cop claims immediately,"

I find it easier to believe that "I thought mafia choses second!" was an attempt to show you're not mafia. I know I used such methods in my first game top hide my masonness ("What does QT stand for?") so I'm really wary of statements like these (hence Lift's "there are 3 mafia" smelled to me).

All this, coupled with your "I'm at L-2. The 2 mafiosos can quickly hammer me now!", makes me think that you are scum.

Vote Pooka

Okay, that's L-1. I can't see myself living beyond Night 2 in any capacity, so I'll happily sign my death with my own hands if it meant narrowing the list of possible scum. Time for the role claim.

I am the town cop.

During the Night, I have investigated Lifthrasil, who turned up Town.

This leaves out five players for possible scum, if Lift is not Godfather:
- Microfish
- Bookwyrm
- RedFireGaming
- trentonlf
- ZFR


@ZFR I got the "Follow the Cop" idea from Bookwyrm. I wanted to setup a Mafia game on Discord, so I asked him for setups, and he told me to avoid setups that would use an unchecked form of the strategy.

How? If the Doctor is able to follow the breadcrumbs, so is scum. There is no way "that mafia shouldn't be able to deduce who is the cop on an easy platter and figure it out, while the doc finds him as soon as possible", as you phrase it. You either really dropped the ball hard, or your 'I thought Scum would pick after Town' actually was LAMIST, as ZFR (or was it Bookwyrm) accused you of. Perhaps you already knew that scum had picked Strongman and that was why you pushed the Cop vote and suggested FtC as strategy.


Edit: ah, there is your claim. Good that I refreshed before posting, since I was about to put you at L-1 too, to make you claim. (That would have been disastrous now, that ZFR already put you at L-1).
Unfortunately it is exactly the claim I expected under the assumption that you were scum. Including the claim of having investigated me. That would fit too, since I'm undecided on your alignment and giving me a town-read might pull me in your 'camp'.

However, it is also possible that you actually are the Cop and did investigate me. But in that case I'm curious: why did you investigate me and not ZFR, who was your preferred target all over Day 1?