Pretty spurious reasoning for a vote. TBH I think I covered most if not all of your questions in my Readings. Because I'm usually the most vocal player I get quoted the most so reply to all points but don't always quote each post.

I think Joe's vote was either random or he's Scum targeting a known vocal townee to perhaps set off a wagon. He had nothing to go on at that stage and now he's left for farming. The likelyhood is it was random and I can't get a read from it.

Regarding Poppy, you can scroll up to read my full analysis but I'm unsure. I still have a feeling she could be town and is simply giving off scummy vibes unintentionally. If she is town her suspicion of Lift playing his Scum game maybe justified. Or they maybe are 2 Townees bickering and tunneling. The latter I am learning I need to step away from somewhat.

No I haven't read that document and it won't open. Ahh okay, only Mafia can be bulletproof. I'm not the only one who made that mistake at least once in this thread, I think Flubb did without scrolling back.

A player I was convinced was Scum in last weeks game also did the same. I was wrong (not because of that read) and we lost the game. I've now decided to keep a journal on word of the developments of each player. I will continue to add to it and update it as the game progresses. In the past I've made posts and analysis, forgot them and not included them in later analysis. I now have a saved copy of my analysis. This is kind of the opposite of Scum isn't it? A thorough analysis of each player. Choose to believe it's me playing LAMIST if you want but from a gaming perspective it suits Town not Scum to have thorough analysis.

I will note, you suspected me AFTER I accused you. I suspected you early because of your 'Hi Scum' joke. It could be a joke but it could also be LAMIST because Scum obviously wouldn't dare say that.

If you are Scum it will be bad for you to night kill me as I pointed the finger at you. So you effectively need to build a wagon to get me during the day phase, which you have felt the need to build against me after I accused you. And now Gogtrial has voted for me on what I think are spurious reasons. Could Gogtrial be your scumbuddy? Or both events could be random plays. Perhaps you think I'm Scum because your town and you feel victimised by early finger pointing.

VOTE POPPY - I know I'm Town 100%. I don't know if she is so it's a better to vote on that wagon and she seems as best first day lynch as anyone.

Honestly, that's pretty weak. By my estimation, only one player on my wagon was scum before your vote. If you're Town, then you're pushing that perilously close to an early lynch; I wouldn't expect another two scum buddies to pile in, but it would only take one more Town player and one of the scum to lynch me and end today's discussion. Especially since we've been having a fairly slow weekend with several players yet to contribute meaningfully and there are four days remaining on the clock, I really don't think that pushing a lynch to its conclusion favours Town. This is a bad move, and I would strongly encourage you to reconsider.

(Unrelated, the Serial Killer is a third party anti-Town role, but a Mafia role. They are the only possible bulletproof.)

bump for an EBWOP

Heh.


This got me to revisit your post #28:

What do you think about supplementscene buddying up to PoppyAppletree instead?


I usually do, unless the game's already moved out of RVS by the time I make my first post.

I think last time dedoporno and I played together was RWarehall's all SKs game. IIRC, I spent a lot of time exchanging PMs with the mod about my role, and was too late for RVS. But he's Granpa Porno, and perhaps this hip pain he suffers from is clouding his memory of other games.

If you don't actually remember, why did you step in to answer/clarify, and commented it was remarkable?

And for all who think to know better what me being "The Reluctant Voter" is, and have given inaccurate information on the matter - I was named "The Reluctant Voter" by yogsloth for taking my time to place a vote to lynch someone while chewing on things in mid and late game. It has nothing to do with RVS, never had; being "The Reluctant Voter" doesn't mean that everyone else can have fun during RVS, but I can't.

I hope this puts this distracting matter to rest once and for all.


I'm not sure it counts if it was a vote on drealmer7 in the one incident you recall...

Jokes aside - I agree, one occasion makes no pattern, if it's indeed only one.



Also looking forward to this, and anything else you may have to share. You know, you actually have to put some work in if you want to make this happen:

Also, heh.



Don't think I follow what your point about SirPrimalform's post #51 is. Elaborate?


I just did an ISO on SirPrimalform (wasn't that hard, he's got 11 short posts so far), and still don't follow. Could you point out where and how he distanced from PoppyAppletree in regards to her exchanges with Lifthrasil?


Elaborate on how her flipping town goes a long way to sussing SirPrimalform's and supplementscene's alignment. Then do the same for the case she flips (mafia or SK).

Also, what about Lifthrasil? Does her flip not factor into your read on him? If not, why not?

EBWOP: My last post should say that Serial Killer is not a Mafia role. Posting from my phone.

Unvote PoppyAppletree

I really like this statement from her “It doesn't help Town to give up, though, so I'm going to take a breather, then come back later on and see what I can pick out.” I give big town points for this.


I don’t like this statement though from supplementscene “VOTE POPPY - I know I'm Town 100%. I don't know if she is so it's a better to vote on that wagon and she seems as best first day lynch as anyone.”

This is a vote of convenience with a LAMIST thrown in. He’s been on my radar with several of his posts, and I had him as my second choice for scum. His vote on Poppy doesn’t sit right with me. My gut is telling me I have it wrong on Poppy and that Supplementscene is scum.

Vote Supplementscene

Except that my question to you was where it fits in with the setup we have, not where it comes from.

I was about to ask you what gogtrial34987 already did, namely if you had read the C9++ setup on the mafia wiki page that the mod linked to in the OP, but I just saw that you hadn't at the time. If the reason was that you couldn't open the page, don't you think it'd have been prudent to let us know and ask us to tell you what the setup is instead of talking and making arguments without having the full picture?


You seem to have left the first sentence incomplete. Would you like to amend that?


Says the guy who thinks others are scummy when they address him without quoting him...


You're leaning the Lifthrasil/PoppyAppletree confrontation being v/v, and vote her in the same post?


You mean like this?

Where's your analysis, or even read, here?


I've noticed that you're often skipping questions, and need be asked again, or seem not to carefully read what others are asking you or replying to you, and I wonder - is this some sort of strategy, some sort of laziness, or do you perhaps have a condition that interferes with your reading and/or attention focus ability?
Please don't take the last part of my question the wrong way; there's no ill-intent behind it, I'm honestly trying to figure out if there's something out_of_game causing this all.

I take a lot of heart from this, thank you.

*-*-*

Full reread still pending. However, one of the things I noticed when reading the C9++ document again last night is that one of the possible power roles is Vigilante. Since we still aren't past the possibility of an early end of day, I'd like to say this now:

If we do have a Vigilante, then please, please don't shoot anyone on Night 1. As has been noted, 50% of C9++ setups feature a Serial Killer. As such, if two people die on Night 1, we're a going to think we have a Serial Killer on our hands. As such, a Vigilante should refrain from a Night 1 kill.

Are serial killers normally compulsive?

I think so, but either way given that their win condition is to be the last player standing it does them no good not to kill someone each night.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B#Serial_Killer

Nothing here suggests compulsive, and all you've really done by making that suggestion is give the SK a great way to make the town think they have a vig. In fact, not killing someone the first night is precisely what I did in game #6.

The point I'm making is that I don't think that suggestion you made was at all helpful, and it makes me wonder if you're the SK trying the same play.

No word mincing here, I said exactly what I wanted to given how you worded that.


Here's the thing though -this is like the third comment you made about my play, comments that you yourself are basing on other games, as you admitted. So you've basically already done the pointless drudgery of digging up and going through other games, and now refuse to share whatever evidence you believe to have found and just bring them into the current one in a half baked way that doesn't allow anyone to verify your claims. All the while you had no trouble to go and dig up that post of cristigale from game #53 to support your well-documented objection. You can't have it both ways, and expect people to take your word that what you claim is fact because... PoppyAppletree.


I can't speak for others, but I haven't asked you to provide analysis of previous games. What I'm asking is, since you've read previous games, and base your opinion on what you've read, to say "I saw/noticed this or that behaviour in such and such game" (could be game number or description, like the one I used for when replying to gogtrial34987). This way, we can go and check for ourselves.


Then call them that, your impressions or feelings, so they can be evaluated accordingly.


Emm... excuse me, is your name supplementscene? I'd appreciate it if in the future you refrained from answering questions addressed to others, at least until they answer themselves.


If you think that the "twist" is the bastard element of the mod lying to us about the Innocent Child, then what's to say that any and all flips we get won't also be a lie? Or do you see that differently? Would you go as far as doubting that the mod's truthful about anything he posts?


Why would you assume that people weren't thinking about the setup before you started talking about it, or that people needed you (or anyone) to get them to think about it?

Also, you said "mostly" - what else did you want to achieve by getting into all that?


In post #72 you said: Now you say we should take it as a gut read.

Which is it, a pattern you've observed, or a gut read?


I'll try to do my own ISO later today, so I'm even more interested in the results of yours. Was your initial feeling that supplementscene was buddying and Lifthrasil was distancing, or just the former?


I think your clock's broken. Deadline is Wednesday afternoon (European time, whatever time that is), and it's Sunday evening. That's less than three days.


@mod, since Wednesday is a work day, could you clarify on the timezone in use?

I've just checked the MafiaScum article, and it seems you're right that it's not standard for Serial Killers to be compulsive.

That's an interesting angle, accusing me of being the Serial Killer - I didn't expect that one. I was expecting someone might call it a LAMIST, but both Town and Mafia benefit from knowing if we've got a Serial Killer on our hands.

I don't think I would have thought of making it look like there was a Vigilante, especially since [I]claiming[/i] Vigilante is a very weak play for a Serial Killer. Obviously, claiming and portraying are different things, but I do find it interesting that you brought it up. If anything, your suggestion that a Serial Killer could mask as a Vigilante only hands an actual Serial Killer play advice. So...good job?

Well your post was an interesting angle. By suggesting to the possible vig that they not make a kill on the first night, it rather seems like you're setting up a situation so you can not kill N1 and then on D2 go "Welp, looks like we've got a vig!".

At best it was unhelpful WIFOM...

The damage had already been done by your post. I was simply pointing out the logical problem with your suggestion, that it's best not to read into it. Sure I may have drawn more attention to your post but "the SK may or may not have noticed Poppy's suggestion" isn't exactly a great position to be in either.

Let's say Central European Summer Time.

So for the time being: any time after 15:00 (3 p.m) CEST on Wednesday is fair game for me to end D1. I'll probably give a more precise deadline though on Wednesday morning.