And again misrepresenting and twisting what I said. This seems to be your favourite tactic. I said that you are 100% sure of my alignment because you are scum. And that you know that I am town.

But of course you have to pretend that you are sure I'm scum. That's how the game works. But your pretense to always understand what I write wrongly is getting ridiculous.

So I never said I am sure you are town but because I said you know that I know you are mafia I am scum because only scum would know you are town but I couldn't say you are town so I had to say you are mafia and that makes me mafia.
Okay.

It's not only the sentence that is confusing and makes no sense.

Stop twisting what I say or learn to read. I said only scum can KNOW everybodys alignment. The point is you didn't say you are sure that I'm scum. You emphasised that you 'KNOW'. That is something a towny can only say if he is cop. I.e. this 'knowing' is a lie. If you are town, you can't know anyones alignment. And weren't you a proponent of lynching all liars? And if you are scum, then of course you would lie about your conviction. You would have to. ...

But since you are apt at misunderstanding intentionally I'll break it down for you even shorter: you pretend to have knowlede that a towny can't have. This pretense is scummy.

Dude, you make so little sense right now.

You say only scum knows others' alignment and because I said you know that I know you're mafia I am scum because I know it.
But if I really knew that then it would be true. Thus you'd admitting to be mafia.


I think you are mixing up knowing and saying to know something.
Mixing up on purpose.


Eh, no?

But props for giving me old of the oldest flashback ever.
It was like 7 years ago when nmillar said the same about me, I said he is making it up and is scum but IIRC people didn't care but sure he was mafia trying to mislynch me.

You’re seriously trying to make an argument that Vitek is scum because he said he knows you’re scum and the only way he could know that is if he’s scum? Bwhahaahaha, that is one of the funniest arguments I’ve ever heard LOL. The part that makes it so funny is you’re admitting to being scum with that argument. I’m dying over here with laughter LOL

Question for you, why when flub said the same thing earlier about Vitek didn’t you use the same argument agsinst him? Guess he’s scum too and somehow there’s three scum alive and the game is still going LOL.

Hmm, I understand. You are off my voting list for now.

I think I get what lift is trying to say, he is saying that town doesn't have enough information in the game to be sure/to know that player X is scum whereas scum will know that player Y is town for sure. So he goes on to say that since Vitek is scum (according to him) he knows lift is town but he's trying to represent him as scum. However if Vitek was town then his knowledge wouldn't be certain, it would be more likely to see him say things which indicate lift might be scum rather than saying that he knows lift is scum.

That being said, I think that is a very weak argument. Although, I don't think it is as ridiculous as you and Vitek seem to think it is. Well, I guess it is time for me to vote.

Constrict Lift

He is still mafia but I would like flub stay alive because I am looking forward to him trying explain why he haven't saved trent.
And if he saves him? All the better.


As I said, there is a big difference in saying you know something and knowing something.


If I say "I know you stole my candy" but haven't seen you do it, does it mean I know you stole it for a fact? No, but I am convinced you did because there was nobody else around and you expressed your interest in it before.
If someone accuses you of stealing the candy, all clues point to you and when searching your room all expect to find it only I like it won't be there with no visible apparent reason for it. Why? Because I knew it won't be there and that person because I stole it.
So I had knowledge of his innocence, never said I know it but acted like I know he is innocent even though I couldn't any other way than by being guilty myself.


Or if I say, "There lives a huge monster at the bottom of the sea. I just know it!" Do I really know it? Was I there? No, (un)fortunately not.
Yet I said that.
But if someone says, "I wonder what people look like when they play this game" and I will reply "I heard flub's sitting in front of his computer just in lacy lingerie" would you believe me it was a lucky guess or would you figure out I have hidden cameras in his room?
Yet I never said I know it for a fact. I just gave away that I do.


Or, let's be boring, we are playing mafia. We are about to mislynch someone and everyone is waiting with a bated breath for his flip only I am already making plans for D2, operating with him flipping town, even though I have no way to know it, then it means I know his alignment and therefore am scum.
Not if I want to lynch him and say I know he's scum in some of my arguments. If he flips town and I'd be saying that then obviously I didn't know it and if he'd flip town then only way to know it in advance (without being cop), would be to be his buddy.


I would say this is something Lift should be very aware of and I can only interpret his current action as scum trying to make something out of nothing. I just know he wouldn't do that as town. :-)

Sorry to curb your amusement, but that's not what I wrote. That's what Vitek tried to make out of what I wrote by twisting it. If Vitek is scum, it totally makes sense for him to twist what I wrote. But why are you buying into his twisted version? If you read what I wrote and not what Vitek wrote about what I wrote, then you will see that it was about the pretended knowledge that Vitek said he had. Not about my actual alignment.

But yes, flubb is a likely second scum. That's why I voted for him.

Thank you! Finally someone who reads what I write without a heavy bias.
I know that on it's own it's a weak argument. It just was something that for me confirmed my own perception of Vitek being scum. Especially the way how he tried to make my post mean something which it doesn't mean. I don't thing town-Vitek would try so hard to twist everything I write.


And you're wrong again. I do exactly that because I am town and because I think you wouldn't twist everything I write like you do if you were town. ... Yes, I know I sometimes put too much focus on semantics, but in your case the semantics was only the start and the way how you act is the proof, for me at least, that you are scum.

And since I'm at L-1 it might be time to claim. Not that it will change much.

I am Poppy the Clefairy and I had two cute skills, but could use each only once. (=JOAT, I guess)

First, I could charm an attacker so that he decided not to harm me (= one-shot bulletproof, which I used up N1)
Second, I could hold hands with someone, going everywhere he goes (= one-shot Tracker, which I used in N2, targeting trent to corroborate his claim. But he didn't go anywhere).

So, now I'm out of powers and basically Vanilla. Usually that would make me an acceptable loss for town. But right now any mis-lynch means that town loses. So I hope that Hunter or Trent will find the time to re-read how Vitek kept twisting everything, realizing that he is scum.

What about you, Vitek. You're at L-1 too. How about a full claim?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say his claim will be Vanilla town.

Well, I don’t want someone hammering you before that happens.

Unconstrict lift

You're being treated to a display of top-quality pokemon battle today!

Battle Update!

3 - Vitek is being attacked by supplementscene, flubbucket & Lifthrasil
2 - Lifthrasil is being attacked by trentonlf & Vitek

0 - Flubbucket
0 - Hunter65536
0 - trentonlf
0 - supplementscene
aren't being attacked.

and Hunter65536 isn't attacking anybody.

it takes 4 attackers to eliminate a participant

Why do you need my claim? No one else than people voting me has expressed their will to vote me so it's not like I am imminent danger of lynch and in need of lynch.
It's not going to help me neither there is much it could do to harm me so I ma not sure what use it will be.

I was never fan of claiming just because someone reaches some quota instead of it being it tied to real events and necessities.


Smart post. Now if I would claim that you could say, "see, that's what I said and it's what scum would do" and if I don't then *shrug* and we go on.

Anyway, flub, may you remind me who is my buddy?


I see what trent meant.
Hey, Lift, why weren't you all over flub for this?
He had no doubts I am scum.

Overall you treat us quite differently considering you believe flub is my buddy. You constantly argue with me but with flub it's "yeah, he is scum w/e".


If I am wrong wouldn't that mean that I didn't know that after all despite saying I do. Thus I wouldn't have the scummy knowledge you claim me to have?
Does that mean I am town? o_O

This is getting complicated.

With this smart-assery I am done with this topic if you don't mind. :-)

There was another page? Huh.

Do you require me to, Hunter?


Splendid.
With scene AWOL and Hunter already using his daily quota of posts, entertaining times sure are ahead of us.