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vsr: Czech, Poland, Germany, Ukraine, USA had the most number of anti-Russian publications in the past year
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Vainamoinen: Anti-Putin is not the same as Anti-Russia. Quite the contrary, actually.

Same goes for Anti-Erdogan vs. Anti-Turkey...
Who is anti-putin?

a) ISIS
b) Nazis
c) USA supremacy clan
d) Liberasts and similar (c) puppets
e) Other groups which want Russia to be broken instead of improving life quality. Examples:
e1) Unconditional russophobes: racists(affilated or not with (B)) and/or victims of local media propaganda
e2) Conditional russophobes: "former Soviet bloc which got screwed by USSR ... tank or two"
e3) Economical or political concurrents
f) Liars and trolls, for the essence of it. Includes venal media

Which group are you in?
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Lin545
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Lin545: Which group are you in?
Ohhhh that is so cute, thanks! It's an association fallacy. Haven't seen one this obvious in years.
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Tarm: How does that work? If someone wins a election over Putin does everyone in Russia start to hate Putin and love the other winning guy?
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vsr: Why hate Putin? He has over 90% support in Russia. Great President.
They hate Putin because he fights muslims instead of kissing their feet like the Pope. Because he forbade gays to talk to children at school (or try to "recruit" them) and present homosexuality disorder as something normal, acceptable and socially ethical, upon punishment from law. Because he is of a dying breed of politicians who CARES for his OWN country first and foremost. Because he cannot make a puppet. Because he rubs evidence before everyone's eyes and makes propaganda shut the eff up. Because he is not an easy target to assassinate. Because he cannot be "bought". And because he is NOT a traitor to his own people.

New neo-liberalism and enforced globalization "assaults" need fertile ground; Putin's lands is poisonous soil for a globalization mix and guided effort for degeneration of its people and their society.

May the Russian ethnicity stand strong and firm before the enemies of each and every rich and old culture out there. Some people are neither willing nor able to undo their own history, heritage and culture with their own hands, just to mix in with each and every stinking, riff-raff savage scumbag barbarian in existence!
Post edited March 30, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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Lin545: Which group are you in?
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Vainamoinen: Ohhhh that is so cute, thanks! It's an association fallacy. Haven't seen one this obvious in years.
You will notice that, among other things, that list is severely lacking in countries from the former Soviet bloc witch got screwed with a tank or two every once in a while. Those are in the clear.
Post edited March 30, 2016 by Titanium
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vsr: Why hate Putin? He has over 90% support in Russia. Great President.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: They hate Putin because he fights muslims instead of kissing their feet like the Pope. Because he forbade gays to talk to children at school (or try to "recruit" them) and present homosexuality disorder as something normal, acceptable and socially ethical, upon punishment from law. Because he is of a dying breed of politicians who CARES for his OWN country first and foremost. Because he cannot make a puppet. Because he rubs evidence before everyone's eyes and makes propaganda shut the eff up. Because he is not an easy target to assassinate. Because he cannot be "bought". And because he is NOT a traitor to his own people.

New neo-liberalism and enforced globalization "assaults" need fertile ground; Putin's lands is poisonous soil for a globalization mix and guided effort for degeneration of its people and their society.

May the Russian ethnicity stand strong and firm before the enemies of each and every rich and old culture out there. Some people are neither willing nor able to undo their own history, heritage and culture with their own hands, just to mix in with each and every stinking, riff-raff savage scumbag barbarian in existence!
Putin doesn't fight Muslims. In Russia there are around 12 millions of Muslims, iirc. He fights religious extremists, who distorted Islam to fit theirs ideas. The root of religious extremism lies in Saudi Arabia, an ally of USA.

Yes, propaganda of homosexualism if forbidden among people under 18 y.o. Children should grow up, and then decide what they want. No need to mess with theirs brains. But if you're a homo, nobody has right to discriminate you in any way in Russia. Putin said that loud and clear, when literally every leader of every European country he visited (especially in Eastern Europe) was asking same question again and again, attempting to demonize him. Also, nobody will put you to jail for forbidding your 8 years old child to visit "Sex education lessons" in school, like in Germany. Actually, there is no such lessons in Russia (great!).

I agree with everything you said. Just wanted to clear out some points. Thank you very much for kind words.
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Vainamoinen: Anti-Putin is not the same as Anti-Russia. Quite the contrary, actually.
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vsr: In Russia it doesn't matter. He was elected by the people of Russia. If you hate him - you hate Russia.
Your logic is faulty. By your reasoning, if a person dislikes Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot, then they also dislike Germans, Russians, Chinese, and Cambodians.

Just because someone disagrees with the policies of a country's leader doesn't mean they hate everyone in that country.
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Vainamoinen: Anti-Putin is not the same as Anti-Russia. Quite the contrary, actually.

Same goes for Anti-Erdogan vs. Anti-Turkey...
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Lin545: Who is anti-putin?

a) ISIS
b) Nazis
c) USA supremacy clan
d) Liberasts and similar (c) puppets
e) Other groups which want Russia to be broken instead of improving life quality
f) Liars and trolls, for the essence of it. Includes venal media

Which group are you in?
What if the "liars and trolls" are Russian, as in this article? Are they also anti-putin?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

Also, when Putin has radioactive poison put into your tea to kill you off (Alexander Litvinenko), what group do you need to belong to?
Post edited March 30, 2016 by TARFU
Since we already derailed the thread, I'm sure the russians are proud of their army invading half of Ukraine... not sure how the Ukrainians feel about it. Imho Putin isn't better in any way than Erdogan, but it seems his propaganda is better.
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blotunga: Since we already derailed the thread, I'm sure the russians are proud of their army invading half of Ukraine... not sure how the Ukrainians feel about it. Imho Putin isn't better in any way than Erdogan, but it seems his propaganda is better.
No, no, i am sure the europeans who promised money and USA who promised under the table support from NATO (and played them for fools, too, leaving them to their fates even), are proud of their persisting warmongering, puppeteering and constant meddling in FARAWAY countries' internal affairs! WHO lured Ukrainians, promising european partnership, prosperity, etc., come again? Or NATO support; NATO, this criminal syndicate? Pushing up in foreign lands? Under the bear's nose?
Post edited March 30, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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blotunga: Since we already derailed the thread, I'm sure the russians are proud of their army invading half of Ukraine... not sure how the Ukrainians feel about it.
When Russia does it, It's called "liberating", not "invading". And if you don't like it, clearly you are an agent of the western powers.
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blotunga: Since we already derailed the thread, I'm sure the russians are proud of their army invading half of Ukraine... not sure how the Ukrainians feel about it. Imho Putin isn't better in any way than Erdogan, but it seems his propaganda is better.
There is no Russian Army in Ukraine. Or you think it is so weak, unable to conquer Ukraine?
It is known, that there are soldiers from private military companies from Poland and USA, military instructors from NATO. I saw dead soldiers, African Americans on tv. There are ex-military from Russian Army as well, who went there on theirs own will, but there is no regular Army. Otherwise, it will be conquered in one week (if not less).

Ukraine is falling apart thanks to governmental coup, which was prepared by USA and Europe. They even wanted to kill legitimately elected President of Ukraine - Yanukovich. Nazis got order to get his head. He was saved by Russian agents.

Funny thing is: Poland being so afraid of Ukrainian nazi battalions, began military training on it's borders.
Said that it is afraid of Russia. They can't say truth, because of political correctness of course (and USA will kick them too).

Poland remembers who is Bandera, the "hero", who is hailed on every corner in Ukraine today. Thousands of hungry criminals walk with AK's, machine guns, grenades, rocket launchers in Ukraine. No one controls them, everyone is afraid of them.
Post edited March 30, 2016 by vsr
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blotunga: Since we already derailed the thread, I'm sure the russians are proud of their army invading half of Ukraine... not sure how the Ukrainians feel about it. Imho Putin isn't better in any way than Erdogan, but it seems his propaganda is better.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: No, no, i am sure the europeans who promised money and USA who promised under the table support from NATO (and played them for fools, too, leaving them to their fates even), are proud of their persisting warmongering, puppeteering and constant meddling in FARAWAY countries' internal affairs! WHO lured Ukrainians, promising european partnership, prosperity, etc., come again? Or NATO support; NATO, this criminal syndicate? Pushing up in foreign lands? Under the bear's nose?
Greece sure doesn't seem to mind being a member of NATO, having access to NATO weaponry, and hiding behind the NATO Aegis.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: No, no, i am sure the europeans who promised money and USA who promised under the table support from NATO (and played them for fools, too, leaving them to their fates even), are proud of their persisting warmongering, puppeteering and constant meddling in FARAWAY countries' internal affairs! WHO lured Ukrainians, promising european partnership, prosperity, etc., come again? Or NATO support; NATO, this criminal syndicate? Pushing up in foreign lands? Under the bear's nose?
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TARFU: Greece sure doesn't seem to mind being a member of NATO, having access to NATO weaponry, and hiding behind the NATO Aegis.
NATO members have to pay 2% of theirs GDP to buy weaponry. More NATO members - more money from weapon sales. That is why USA is trying to scare it's members with "Russian menace". They need to sell stuff.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: No, no, i am sure the europeans who promised money and USA who promised under the table support from NATO (and played them for fools, too, leaving them to their fates even), are proud of their persisting warmongering, puppeteering and constant meddling in FARAWAY countries' internal affairs! WHO lured Ukrainians, promising european partnership, prosperity, etc., come again? Or NATO support; NATO, this criminal syndicate? Pushing up in foreign lands? Under the bear's nose?
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TARFU: Greece sure doesn't seem to mind being a member of NATO, having access to NATO weaponry, and hiding behind the NATO Aegis.
Greek politicians sure like NATO, to hide their incompetence for preventing the scumfugee flows from flooding Europe. Greek politicians love NATO, for buying overpriced and malfunctioning German submarines or american choppers, while getting bribed millions upon millions in black money sent in shady European banks. Greek people, except idiots, hate NATO. No one asked us to ally with them, politicians decided.

First governor of Greece just after independence, ONLY person in our modern history to care for US and help US, even donated his fortune to the country, Kapodistrias, count in russia before and minister of Tzar, was assassinated by orders of French and British agencies of the time, who used corrupt military leaders. Russians are our true and historic brothers, ever since from medieval times.

P.S. Also american forbids us to buy military grade weapons from Russia, especially infantry arms.
Post edited March 30, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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TARFU: Greece sure doesn't seem to mind being a member of NATO, having access to NATO weaponry, and hiding behind the NATO Aegis.
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vsr: NATO members have to pay 2% of theirs GDP to buy weaponry. More NATO members - more money from weapon sales. That is why USA is trying to scare it's members with "Russian menace". They need to sell stuff.
You can only sell to people who WANT to buy. Greece makes a choice, (shall we invest money in infrastructure or buy shiny new weaponry through NATO?).
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TARFU: Greece sure doesn't seem to mind being a member of NATO, having access to NATO weaponry, and hiding behind the NATO Aegis.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Greek politicians sure like NATO, to hide their incompetence for preventing the scumfugee flows from flooding Europe. Greek politicians love NATO, for buying overpriced and malfunctioning German submarines or american choppers, while getting bribed millions upon millions in black money sent in European banks. Greek people, except idiots, hate NATO. No one asked us to ally with them, politicians decided.

First governor of Greece just after independence, ONLY person in our modern history to care for US and help US, even donated his fortune to the country, Kapodistrias, count in russia before and minister of Tzar, was assassinated by orders of French and British agencies of the time, who used corrupt military leaders in Nafplio. Russians are our true and historic brothers, ever since from medieval times.
But aren't Greek politicians elected? Or are they dictators? Greece already dropped out of NATO once, if the Greek people REALLY wanted it that way, why not elect politicians that keep Greece out of NATO?
Post edited March 30, 2016 by TARFU
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vsr: In Russia it doesn't matter. He was elected by the people of Russia. If you hate him - you hate Russia.
So if I hate president of my country who was also elected by the people of said country then I hate that country, right? Does it mean I hate all of its people? Because it would mean I hate myself. I don't want to hate myself. :-(