And also the UN could stop being a single superpower's mascot and be two superpowers' mascot. I do agree that russia is about the single country in the world that tells the United States and their buddies saudi arabia and israel to get bent, but do they have all the nuclear arsenal they did back in the day?

Didn't this thread have something to do with turkey?

Turkey? Turkey, you say? I'm getting hungry.

I liked the Erdo-wie. Erdo-wo. Erdogan gag, actually.

As I could not stop myself from sniggering because of the excellent Erdogan Gollem meme - it's truly funny, but laughing at it is actually ttragic.

A medical doctor has been fired from his job, and imprisoned, pending on high-court gaining enough Gollum knowledge to tell if the man was insulting the president.

But what pains me so greatly is that this is not Atatürk Turkey. Just watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2e2yHjc_mc


I would certainly like Turkish women to have equality greater than just being batoned and beaten up like men when protesting. I bet they mostly would too!

I just do not like Erdogan as represented as "representative." He was not so, until quite recently, when he could control and recall elections. And I personally think EU should have played a role to support democracy.

And ''the beat goes on''.

Yes they do, but the more important part is demonstration of power in Syria.

It's in better shape than in US.
US is behind on tech tree in engine engineering (for example, it buys engines for rockets to do launches into space)
US relies on nuclear bombs and strategical bombers to carry them.
Thing is, after US studied stolen by Belenko MiG they found that its radar could see "stealth bombers". (After that US stopped production of stealth bombers)
In result, majority of US nuclear arsenal right now is only useful to bomb African savannah.

Another useful thing as Nuclear bomb carrier - Tomahawk missiles. Short-ish range due to low tier rocket engines.
What carries it...
US military doctrine relies on power projection though big fleets with carriers and their support...
Which are easy to see from space and easy to hit with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwja7sogNs4
So, they aren't a threat either.

Realistically, US can use to nuke Russia "Anti-Iran anti-missile system" placed in Europe, which in fact uses standard missiles and can be armed with nuclear missiles, and launches from submarines (which weren't a focus for US for a long while, so there aren't many of them).

All in all, US nuclear arsenal for Russia is something like North Korea arsenal for US.

Bumping the thread as I have 3 related articles in my newsfeed for the last 24hours:

Dutch columnist arrested (now free acording to her twitter):
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-metro-journalist-ebru-umar-arrested-in-turkey-a6998286.html

German member of the "Pirate" party arrested:
http://piratetimes.net/head-of-berlin-pirate-party-jailed-over-erdogan-protest/

EU Council President praising Turkey:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36122377

That's not nearly enough of a reason to bump this shitbiscuit of a thread.

Representative of Polish press agency was interviewed by an agent of independent Ukrainian investigative journalist Anatoly Shariy regarding to facts of real Nazi in Ukrainian army. Just watch the video, it has polish subtitles.

The fault is entirely Europe's. They made an enemy out of Putin, when Putin was never Europe's enemy. They "lick" systematicallyTurkish politicians, instead of putting them in the same level to European ones and not special treatment. They funded and PLEADED turks to stop the illegal immigrants, instead of making it sound clear that the invading bastards won't be tolerated; yet flows continue and still, most human-senders-by-boat are turkish in origin. Everything the Turks ask for, with the sole exception of Turkey becoming a european member, is immediately granted, as an obedient genie-servant would provide for its master. Well, only chaos and anarchy can ensue on a table, where negotiators don't put crystal clear borders and don't drop responsibilities, don't cooperate properly (on any level, from any side), don't sync well, etc.

Unless we are missing something we don't know publicly yet. Like why Europe is so servile, as of late. Do turks possess some kind of leverage, to drive such a hard bargain? What is amiss? The Russian army made public evidence of Turkey being involved in smuggling trades with ISIS, especially petrol and them treating wounded ISIS fighters in structures upon Turkey ground, as well as sending arms to one of the warring factions in Syria. Russians also mentioned that even certain European countries deal in petrol oil with ISIS, too. But still, the whole picture is not fully revealed.

European countries, as of late, have a tendency to treat their own citizens as second, third rate even, people (like Merkel agreeing to put under arrest the comedian who made satire with Erdogan), while treating foreign factions and intruding outsiders (illegal immigrants) as a holy cow. Something is fishy here and reeks of CONSPIRACY! Alas i fear, we are going to learn the details, especially concerning what lies at the bottom, in the far away future, when everything is going to be over and being any wiser won't have any value or use, by then. Too bad.

Last weel the Turkish consulate in The Netherlands asked Turkish people in The Netherlands to report criticism on Turkey and Erdogan. The arrested Dutch columnist Ebru Umar criticized that request. After criticism from Dutch politicians and media, they called it a wrong choice of words by an employee who wanted to ask Turkish people in The Netherlands to report racism. Reports state that Turkey actively involves itself in Turkish communities in Europe and tries to control them.
2/3 of Turkish Dutch people support Erdogan, call him their president and voted for him in the last elections. A lot of them have openly threatened and insulted Ebru (online and offline), calling her a traitor to the Islam fate, Turkey and Erdogan.
Her arrest is a direct result of 1 or more Turkish people in The Netherlands reporting her column about the Turkish consulate's request. This has been confirmed by Turkish officials, though not in an official statement.
Last night Ebru's appartment in Amsterdam was broken into. The only thing missing is an old laptop.

The EU removed a sentence from Tusk's speech when they posted the text on an EU website:
https://twitter.com/damomac/status/723977404893540352

I want to thank you to people who said "Erdoğan does not represent Turkey" and love Turkey but not Erdoğan. However, this is not the case. Erdoğan is a result of 50 years of degeneration and horrible education. Turkey is full of people who doesnt know their history and raging war is the only thing Ottoman empire did for hundreds of years. I dont blame them because that is what they teach us in schools. There are tons of people who support child marriage. Very important people say that raping a 6 year old boy is ok in islam. And they do and say this openly. They openly say that stealing is ok if you do it in the name of Allah. And these people are in the Parliament now elected by peoples votes. Me, and my people are fighting hard with them and trying to educate our youngers so they wont fall victim to these sick thoughts but its a war we are losing. We cant lose hope tho.

Still, dont forget the other half of Turkey which is awesome :)

Erdogan is shitty kebab sheepfucker

Heh, a nice post from a young Estonian writer: http://nihilist.fm/erdogan-negotiating/

Nice leader you kebabs have, hurr my feelings are hurt, plz put a guy in jail for satirizing and insulting me.

Germans are pussies, fuck Erdogan, liberty of speech for life. What kind of life is it when you can't say what you are thinking the way you want?

Fuck Putin, fuck Erdogan, fuck Obama and fuck every other politician who fucking interrupts other countries politics and tells them what to do. Fuck powerplayers and fuck realpolitik assfuckers. Leave everyone elses shit alone and the world would be a better place, for some reason in the last 15 years the world has gone to shit. Everyone knows what others should think and say, hurr durr, muh feelings, hurr durr muh political spheres. I fucking hope something cataclysmic happens soon so humanity will stop playing a retard and get its shit together.

*drunken rant over*

Natural selection calls for a leader of ANY pack, son. Communism does not exist in nature. Never existed there, to begin with. Human intellect is an evolutionary "mistake" of mother nature. There are good leaders and bad leaders, clever leaders and adaptable leaders, leaders with an iron fist and leaders with a pink golfball in the place where they should had grown a pair, but didn't, exactly like our own comical clown who hallucinates of being prime minister.

A country does well if it has a good and ABLE leader. ONLY when the seat of power has the talent, any field under its supervision can truly do well. Turkey is doing well, freedom issues aside. Russia is doing very well ATM, America has always been well...

Erdogan is not stupid, no one called him stupid. He is able and capable; ergo DANGEROUS. Our clowns instead are the epitome of stupidity, so everyone sees in what a mess this hellhole is.

P.S. You realize that lack of liberty sometimes makes a leader do better profile of himself and amplify his sphere of influence, right? Or that a country with less "liberty" might flourish and have prosperity...? Just wondering, just in case...

Fuck communism, meritocracy and technocracy (with proper laws to keep civil liberties) are the only good ruling systems

>Russia doing well

Son, I go to Russia once every 3-6 months, that country IS NOT DOING well (maybe politically, but man, my relatives in Petrograd are not happy....). Only a greek would say something like that. Heh....

Erdogan is not capable, he feeds people money and power who are capable and keep him in power because its good for them. Eg, we are dealing with crony authoritarianism over there, spiced with some islamic influences. (Mustafa would roll over in his grave if he knew about the shit leaders in current Turkey)

A country with less liberty may flourish, but what life is it? China is also OK on papers, but have gone there? Even once in your life? Not on a tourist trip, but visit a student you befriended in university and visit him? That country is not that good socialy and mentally for its people (well, asians are maybe a bit better accustomed to living as zavod/factory-worker ants, but its not a life worth living)