And Lyashko Radical Party. - populists playing mostly on a field of social care.
And Right Sector. - not even a parliament party, too few on a scale and in shambles, too divided in its views.
Won't even comment the crap about ethnic cleansings (this is the word you were aiming for, right?). Pure ethnic hatred fuel propaganda. Have a proof - go to Gaaga Court with it.

Same shit to me. Mass murders of their own and foreign nations. So no, won't even touch those.

So you don't want to name them and use this cheap trick. Alright. Didn't expect anything else.

I call bullshit when someone says that if you go to X you find nationalism. As if you find it only there, if you go specifically looking for it. Also, if you go to countries feeling threatened by the foreign state, you always get more pronounced nationalism. It is applicable to modern Russia too.
I call bullshit, when someone says his country is multinational, as if it denies the existence of nationalism. But if it is in another multinational country, then it surely exists there. Because -> nazi and all that shit. Obvious. Really...

Erdogan is pretty stupid for thinking Germany would officially apologize for freedom of speech. (http://www.der-postillon.com/2016/03/erdogan-beleidigte-leberwurst.html)
Granted, a lot of things are/getting broken here, but THAT, we still have.

Erdo-wo, Erdo-wie, Erdo-waaahn :-)

Ah, I see.. Could I lend two copies of these inventions? They sound satirically suspicious.

Well, if you already offer to answer then I will ask. So what do people think about this referendum, what are their hopes and plans and how is this all the same or different for the Crimean tartars, some of which you know personally? I'm really curious to get an inside impression.

Ah, thats social care?
Azov nazi battalion is headed by Lyashko.

So divided. So in shambles.

Ah, its crap!

So, USSR built furnaces to mass burn people and made Blitzkriegs?

Very cheap trick, you can expect I don't differentiate in types of sh!t, that your country is made of.

No, state patriotic propaganda - yes. But nothing of nazism, superiority of "race" and worshipping on Bandera, Vlasov and similar.

Never denied this, but I don't differentiate in types of sh!t.

Well, that was not the point at all (I wonder if you can guess what was) but sure, I will humour you.

I find them quite controversial but if I should say some opinion, it would be mostly neutral.
First, I wouldn't be that quick to call them nazis, only because they saw no option to "achieve their goals". They hoped for communist-free Russia and teaming up with enemy of their enemy seemed like only choice for them. Unfortunately, the enemy of their enemy was Nazi Germany and they paid big price for it. They were also only army to help Prague Uprising against Germans (if perhaps only to save their hide in lost war) so... props to them, I guess.
Why do you think why from (almost) every country The Third Reich conquered from Soviet Union there were people willing to fight for them and some welcomed ze Germans at first? Ukraine, RLA, Baltic States, Finland (that one was not conquered by Germany but let's include them). It wasn't only because they were nazis and shared their views and values. It was because they were previously wronged or directly conquered by Soviet Union and saw this as opportunity to get out of its grasp. It is easy to call them nazies just because they joined with Germany to fight SU but it would be big simplification.

What is your opinion of them?


EDIT: Oh, someone is busy with this thread now. :-)

Surely that will teach us the greatness of comrade Putin!

Couldn't said it better. My opinion matches to yours to 100%.

Edit: There is also, in my opinion, additional aspect. Perhaps, the aspect that made some decorated Reich officers to attempt murder on Fuhrer. Hint: the sister of my wife's mother (who is Ukrainian btw), was captured by Wehrmacht and castrated specifically to serve as prostitute. Stalin regime, while oppressive and denying individualism, was not that inhuman.

Vlasov as an officer should've been aware of that and has very probably performed acts similar or far more vile than Stalin's NKVD itself. Besides, he should've understood the whole "aria" ideology, at least partially to realize what will happen to regular people of his homeland, should hitler win.

You can't hold a discussion, because once again everything you write boils down to Bandera, nationalist batallion, stitched up videos and substitution of concepts. You call it patriotic propaganda in relation to Russia, and you call it nazism in relation to other countries you don't favor. Worshipping of Bandera? Stop making up alternative realities. He's not even remotely popular as Stalin in the post-USSR countries. Despite the monster that Stalin was, some think that he was a great leader. Well, yeah, Kim Jong-un is the one too. And yes, Stalin and Hitler are the same. Millions of dead and imprisoned are proof to that. In the end it doesn't matter how the person ends up being murdered. Deal with it. The only difference - one turned up to be a victor in a war with his former ally, while angling communist and not nation superiority ideas to establish USSR as a dominant power on the continent.

And as you call my country and me names you clearly don't understand, I'll tell this once and be done with this thread - piss off and deal with your problems inside your own borders.

It's always sad to see how some states put so much effort into brainwashing the citizens and actually succeeding.
People giving up their own brain in favour of a borg collective, that's patriotism. One should never stop thinking critical about one's own regime, especcially not, if critics are disposed of all the time.
With unity may come power but also the loss of individuality and the ability of free thought.
Names of the countries acting aggressively (especcially outside of their own borders) don't matter and the invasion of Ukraine wasn't much different than the invasion(s) of Poland, still people seem so imporisoned on the "love" for a completely abstract construct like a country that they manage to ignore a bloody lot and are able to justify attacking nations which haven't attacked, you see the most absurd reasonings although there never is a good reasoning for this as long as it's all about stuff inside of this country one has no quarrels with.
Seeing how the most fascist people are calling out "nazis" everywhere is the ultimate irony but a common way to justify and deflect anything.

The meanest thing about fanatism is, that it can strike anyone regardless of intelligence or empathy if deliberately applied in force on a group of people and that's what propaganda is for.
(Autists are more or less immune since they have no noteworthy herd instinct but nobody listens to those.)

Every time the German army got involved in conflicts outside of the own borders in the last decades, there was always a huge percentage of people clearly not in favour of it and speaking out, I don't see this ability to question the descisions of one's own government in even the most intelligent Russians anymore and it is really sad.
What's even more sad is, that this fanatism is making them fill all kinds of unrelated threads with propaganda, well at least this thread was somewhat related since it was about another dictator and his propaganda techniques. It's still extremely off-topic and I see the next wall of text and angry downvotings coming since there is no tolerant discussion and peace with patriots / fanatics possible.

I'm out of here, just don't start attacking/killing/liberating people in my area as soon as somebody says, that he wants the USSR back (which made me a refugee when I was a kid btw).

This thread is making very clear, why people like Erdogan have to be stopped as fast as possible before they can establish their godhood.

Actually check opinion of people who live in Ukraine, live in Donbass, live in Crimea.
Someone who has language barrier and is brainwashed talks about how brainwashed one is. German media is one of the most lying ones with only somewhat independent german public media (ARD, ZDF, MDR etc). Welcome to reality.

You claimed Baltic and your country are nazi free.
I have proven by multiple direct sources that its quite opposite and especially your country is nazi-hijacked.

They are full size videos, what is "slitched up"? That they throw Rome/Hitler salute? Their symbolic, which is on wikipedia? Or the 100k+ Fakelmasch'es?

"Moskolyaku na gilyaku"
Look it up.

I never denied that Russia currently has increased patriotic propaganda, which isn't always bad especially in case when that propaganda does not humiliate other nations and countries, but just rises self-esteem and self-awareness. I am more liberal than conservative, but I am not liberast, which kneels down to supremacy of other nation and holds own country and people for nothing. To me each country is a family and what exactly happens there is complex and depends on both internal and external conditions/events. I consider constructive self-criticism, critical thinking and priority to trust in yourself to be the right way, instead of burning everything/everyone around in exchange for the promise of nourished life.

I don't favor other countries for a reason and always prefer truth. If my country f!!ks up, I am ashamed and will revolt against that - but after I check sources from 1st hand and reasons. I prefer capitalism and western values - which are seeded by both communists (equality of men and women, same rights, freedom of speech) and capitalists (real freedom of speech, freedom of expression, private property), but I don't punish or hate anyone if he has different opinion, because opinions have tendency to change.

Then why is "Hero" in typical modern Ukrainian greeting is exactly ? Why is [url=https://www.google.com/search?q=monument+bandera+ukraine]this happening? Why not the , [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Shevchenko]Shevchenko, Ukrainka?

I am pretty sure, it was Stalin, who literally saved lives of your relatives from physical extermination and slavery.
Unless, your relatives were in nazi UPA.

Pathetic.
If Bandera is your hero, and you hate Stalin, and Stalin = Hitler, while Bandera was Hitler puppet.
That means you hate yourself.
Congratulations.

After 193x chaos the only imprisoned were criminals, with laws being somewhat stricter than typically in the West mainly due to increased widespread of "state" property, punishment for misusing which would be much higher than of some private entity (in contrast to capitalism).
Those who extremely opposed government were sent to camps, and in mass case - moved to other territory. That was a very efficient way to also solve local conflicts on national basis. Like,.. dislike Russians? Stalin method would move you near Canada. So bad?

I know this, because one of my grandparents being a judge has tried to cover a case of a stolen sack of potato, stolen by a very poor guy - and were jailed to 10 years because sack was "state" property (but released much earlier).

He was a georgian who came through 1930 power fight as first and had a personality cult using oppressive method to control the biggest in the world multinational state using communist ideas of equality.

And you compare him to someone who worked hard on Ahnenforschung and threw people into oven, because they were born "wrong".

Tell me who is wrecked?
This is not how it works. Problems begin outside of borders and both internal and external conditions/events play massive role. For example, Russia has forced ISIS out by active intervention. If it would not do this, then ISIS would easily move into Russia from Tajikistan.

You just have to listen to him. In his world he is the good one and most others are the bad ones. This means that ultimately there is not much room to discuss anything. He is standing 100% behind his extreme views. And unfortunately he has real power, so real things/persons are destroyed on the way.

Was surprised by the amount of low rated posts in this thread. Was not surprised by the pattern. God, you guys are pathetic.

I have no idea who does this either. Just ignore the rating.