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dgnfly: 1. The problem is they are staying in the center hence why todaýs gaming and general media is run by the extreme left which simply are the SJW and they don't seem to worry about what fascistic nature they impose on others, Every main social media platform right now is ultra Bias and I only see one side calling them out while centrist seems to be ok with all the censorship to a point that they'll just make excuses for it. Censorship in gaming is only allowed because the majority seems to be ok with it even if it doesn't have a valid reason to be censored other then the usual hysteria. All those retarded ''What If'' moments we might as well ban any form of entertainment while we at it.

2. Freedom, in general, is absolute so you can't say you are for certain forms of freedom but not the other. There is such a thing as a consequence which is made up the law in general so there are no needs for further rules that tighten freedoms any more than they already are. People mostly use NPC terms/phrases cause they don't know any better and try to bluff their way through a conversation hoping the other side is more ignorant towards the subject. SJW are barely in a position of being right cause they use feelings over facts.

3. Majority of Germans during WW2 were poverty stricken there was barely any rich opportunist, Centrist are mostly middle class hence why they barely bother to pick a side cause they to have nothing to lose or gain and are contempt with the position they are now. Poor are mostly left wing and rich mostly right wing. Centrist some times veer to the right or left but only in small differences of opinions and moral standards. Even in an election you still need the majority vote and seeing as the turn-outs become lower each time you'd say people started caring less about what is going to happen regardless of it taking them under. And this is the same in debate and if you want to change in gaming, Many voices make a change while the silent ones can just take it up the backside sorta speak.

4. Yes, Ubisoft is trying to get rid of Politics in their gaming, I think they are starting to notice that people are tired of Gender/identity politics in their gaming cause it gives a lot of bad press amongst the actual gamers, while the casuals may praise them they are still the minority players in the end. The Minority SJW or extreme leftist, for the most part, have been able to get away with Fake outrage to a point that company's bend over backward to please them but they must be aware by now they will never be satisfied, And the gaming press is an utter joke, playing high and might with their articles bashing company's if they don't kiss their assess. ON some sense Ubisoft is already kinda late cause they did get a lot of flak for their alternative History with Assassin's Creed Odyssey, I'm a big History fan so I found it utterly insulting they could have just shown the raw history of the Spartans but that wouldn't suit the mentally weak these days that get triggered with actual history.

If I were a company I'd just let them boycott it. The total in America is just around 5 percent so nothing much will be lost there and I doubt most of them are actual gamers. The Gaming industry is stagnant as hell cause there is a lack of expressive freedom, Everything is subject to scrutiny by the SJW hate mob, And now even company's full of those retards dictating their dogma on the rest.

As an example of how retarded the left has become you just need to follow the youtuber TimPool while he shows the constant retardation of the left and their fake outrage from Feminism to other retarded groups.
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GameRager: 1. I'd rather people be centrists and try to make peace between groups(or ignore the extremists) than just shouting back and forth all day long.....in the end it solves nothing and just makes one old before their time.

2. I agree with some of this.

3. I meant american rich opportunists and other country's similar peoples....not germans perse.

Btw just a head's up...elections/politics talk is a good way to get a ban/warning(not from me)......just trying to say if you wanna talk that talk we can do so via PM/discord/etc.

4.a. I remember one company wanted to make a war game based on a historical period when it was mainly white men fighting and people got upset that it didn't have any minorities/women/etc...in a game that was trying to be HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. I guess such extremist activists want history books rewritten to be more inclusive as well? :\

4.b. Calling anyone(even bad people) retards is not a good way to prove your point, but you;'re right...they shouldn't bend the knee to outrage mobs.

4.c. I actually subscribe to him.
1. A centrist isn't there to make peace Cause they refuse to pick a bone in the fight so they just sit on the sidelines but still complain about why the two sides are bickering. They the ultimate bench sitters.

3. I was more referring towards the people in general cause even if you have Rich opportunist you still can't make or win a war. Let's leave it at agree to disagree with this topic then.

4. Might you be meaning warhorse studio? They did refuse to push for diversity in their game and it was a big hit for staying Historically accurate. There was even a writer lately that said he didn't wanna write stories with a political agenda I mind and got blasted simply for not wanting to write one-sided propaganda, The leftist hate mob attacked him for it.

4.b. People need to Grow up and get a thicker skin that's the whole reason the pandering is happening in gaming so they can get happy feelings while making garbage. Words are more dangerous when written than spoken, to be honest cause when you speak to somebody face to face it's easier to tell if a person is truthful or a liar and you can more easliy see a person character.
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GameRager: You are forgetting there are MALE feminists too.
Is there correlation between ideological preferences and technical (in)competence in creating games (ME Andromeda in this case)?
You are not implying that, for example, patriarchy oriented development team, or male liberals, or hardcore conservatives or what ever ideology may it be, would be capable of overcoming engine problems, narrative pacing issues, poor facial animation...based on their ideological stance? Or are just male and female feminists those who are incompetent?
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krakataul: patriarchy oriented development team, or male liberals, or hardcore conservatives or what ever ideology may it be, would be capable of overcoming engine problems, narrative pacing issues, poor facial animation...based on their ideological stance?
It's not about particular ideological stance, it's about what you put first - ideology or quality. With resources (time, money, etc) being limited (in AAA actually even more so, than in indie) you have to choose your priorities. And if you put too much effort in making your game to convey "social message" and conform to your ideology (regardles of what ideology you are pushing), there would be little left for making your game actually good.
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LootHunter: It's not about particular ideological stance, it's about what you put first - ideology or quality. With resources (time, money, etc) being limited (in AAA actually even more so, than in indie) you have to choose your priorities. And if you put too much effort in making your game to convey "social message" and conform to your ideology (regardles of what ideology you are pushing), there would be little left for making your game actually good.
I agree with you to an extent - I think that creator/developer could be very ideologically driven and still create competent product. We may or may not like this product based on our own ideological/cultural/political/gaming views, but all nuts and bolts of the product could be solid, even masterfully crafted - take Leni Riefenstahl and Festival of Nations, masterful movie but nazi propaganda or Alexander Rodchenko with Soviet propaganda...

My point was that Mass Effect Andromeda flop wasn't predominantly ideological issue, it was based on certain levels of technical problems in development phase and on lack of experience with creating large scale, AAA, singleplayer RPG games. Sometimes things just don't work out as planned, no matter if you are feminist or bolshevik or eco friendly right wing vegetarian :)
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krakataul: I think that creator/developer could be very ideologically driven and still create competent product.
If creator is very talented - yes. But the good reasult would be because of creator's talent and despite ideology drive.

Whey you try to make your work to conform to ideology it makes your work as creator harder. For example, a plot becomes much more predictable. Just look at Captain Marvel poster and say who is the villain in the film. Even someone, who wouldn't know a first thing about MCU and characters, but familiar with "social justice" dogmas would immediately identify who on the poster is a main antagonist in the film.

As for Andromeda, I honestly don't know. I've read the article about its development and it looks like situation in BioWare was really f***ed up, regardless.
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Mafwek: I never meant that everybody belongs to some identity all the time, and that they aim strictly for covering identity groups. I meant that identities play extremely big part in human psyche, and as such it's target for marketing. Beside appealing to specific identities, diversity can play role in other targeted groups such as SJW-s or people with certain fetishes or affinities (lesbian example previously). All of that is because the market must constantly expand. Are you still going to tell me that identity doesn't matter, merely because it doesn't to you or me?

Why are you ignoring the fact that modern Star Wars earned A LOT of money and focus on the outrage? While it did have plenty of detractors in the West, I believe crucial factor is China. Besides, I don't think that SJW culture of Disney SW movies is the problem, as much is the fact that they are pretty bad movies, like anything else coming from Hollywood AAA.

Two words: Black Panther. Made a lot of money as well. Plus, superheroes were kinda promoting diversity before it was popular.

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GameRager: They can play it safe all they want, but if they turn off the main part of their fanbase to appease the minority(who might njot even all buy the game) then when they start going broke they;ll know who's fault it was.
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Mafwek: I don't think main fanbase those who you think they are. I also believe that they will appeal even more to the casuals, but there might also be the effort to appeal to the "hardcore" audience, like Microsoft is currently doing with AoE and all the studio buying.
Not who you replied to, but if I may:

1. Identity matters but one should be able to play outside their identity and use their imagination every so often. Heck, that's one of the reasons we HAVE entertainment: To fantasize and be things we normally aren't or cannot do(due to personal or societys tech level limitations).

All those who complain about playing as men/white men/straight people/etc don't get that many of us who fit those categories have played as what we're not many times before and not complained there weren't enough games about white straight men, for example.

2. Some have speculated that Disney/etc bought a good number of their own tickets to boost sales artificically, but even with that aside there will always be "NPCs" and loyal fans who will buy the latest installment of X or Y because it's in their favorite series or about their favorite character/etc. They KNEW people would go and watch such films even WITH the added pandering stuff and the fact they did it anyways shows just how much they care about dollars and pandering over being true to those who helped build them up who don't like such tricks/moves.

3. Promoting diversity is fine and they did it before, but now they do it at random and with established white/male characters JUST to virtue signal.....and that is a troubling trend.

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As long as they don't throw some of us under the bus to pander to others then it's mostly fine.



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Mafwek: Or more likely "pushes" with diversity because there is a market for it.
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dgnfly: I think the idea for Diversity is kinda overblown considering most gamers are still males in general, Didn't you see the Tweet where some black guy even asked to keep the game historically accurate and then a Dice developer called him racist for it and that he needed to educate himself better? The notion for diversity in gaming is the same as all those that push those kinda agenda they all just wanna make a name for themselves and have this good feeling at trying to push something nobody really cares about. People in gaming used to never worry about Gender/Race until certain leftist SJW started pushing an agenda for inclusion into gaming, Best example who pushed a false narrative was Anita Sarkeesian.

Gaming, in general, was always diverse, you just need a certain skill to participate but they wanna kill the line that requires you to be good at something and just do the hiring for the sake of diversity, not skill.
That bit I highlighted: This is a classic thing I noticed.....even when ACTUAL MINORITIES say they don't want special treatment they are thrown under the bus by those who claim to know what's best for them on their behalf.

Like when some blacks said we should ignore people saying the n-word or being jokingly racist to stop giving it power they called such people race traitors basically for saying such. :\

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dgnfly: 1. A centrist isn't there to make peace Cause they refuse to pick a bone in the fight so they just sit on the sidelines but still complain about why the two sides are bickering. They the ultimate bench sitters.

3. I was more referring towards the people in general cause even if you have Rich opportunist you still can't make or win a war. Let's leave it at agree to disagree with this topic then.

4. Might you be meaning warhorse studio? They did refuse to push for diversity in their game and it was a big hit for staying Historically accurate. There was even a writer lately that said he didn't wanna write stories with a political agenda I mind and got blasted simply for not wanting to write one-sided propaganda, The leftist hate mob attacked him for it.

4.b. People need to Grow up and get a thicker skin that's the whole reason the pandering is happening in gaming so they can get happy feelings while making garbage. Words are more dangerous when written than spoken, to be honest cause when you speak to somebody face to face it's easier to tell if a person is truthful or a liar and you can more easliy see a person character.
1. Some of them DO want to make peace, and imo more should be like them. I'd rather they "sit on the fence" than fight which solves nothing in the end.

3. The rich opportunists were still the ones pulling the strings through history in many cases, though.

4. Maybe. It's also sad that ones who claim to be tolerant and inclusive are very intolerant and exlcusive to those they dislike.

4. b. True.
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GameRager: You are forgetting there are MALE feminists too.
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krakataul: Is there correlation between ideological preferences and technical (in)competence in creating games (ME Andromeda in this case)?
You are not implying that, for example, patriarchy oriented development team, or male liberals, or hardcore conservatives or what ever ideology may it be, would be capable of overcoming engine problems, narrative pacing issues, poor facial animation...based on their ideological stance? Or are just male and female feminists those who are incompetent?
I never meant to infer that such people are incompetent, just that they exist and many of them have been pushing their beliefs/views a smuch as possible in recent major media to indoctrinate people.

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LootHunter: It's not about particular ideological stance, it's about what you put first - ideology or quality. With resources (time, money, etc) being limited (in AAA actually even more so, than in indie) you have to choose your priorities. And if you put too much effort in making your game to convey "social message" and conform to your ideology (regardles of what ideology you are pushing), there would be little left for making your game actually good.
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krakataul: I agree with you to an extent - I think that creator/developer could be very ideologically driven and still create competent product. We may or may not like this product based on our own ideological/cultural/political/gaming views, but all nuts and bolts of the product could be solid, even masterfully crafted - take Leni Riefenstahl and Festival of Nations, masterful movie but nazi propaganda or Alexander Rodchenko with Soviet propaganda...

My point was that Mass Effect Andromeda flop wasn't predominantly ideological issue, it was based on certain levels of technical problems in development phase and on lack of experience with creating large scale, AAA, singleplayer RPG games. Sometimes things just don't work out as planned, no matter if you are feminist or bolshevik or eco friendly right wing vegetarian :)
Many good points...in the end I don't care if they include some message/ideological system in games as long as it's mostly that world's version of things and they don't try to inject much IRL stuff/stances into their games while trying to influence people's minds through including such./
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GameRager:
I did not say any of things in defense of PC culture, SJW-s or current politics. Those things annoy me very much, thus why tried to explain why they are such (at least according to my views). Alas I failed/wasn't clear enough.

My official political opinion on these things, as well as others is that politics can go freely fuck itself and leave individuals to make their own choices in life.

I will (try to) respect forum rules and leave politics alone. If you want to discus it in private, my chat is always opened.
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Mafwek: I did not say any of things in defense of PC culture, SJW-s or current politics. Those things annoy me very much, thus why tried to explain why they are such (at least according to my views). Alas I failed/wasn't clear enough.

My official political opinion on these things, as well as others is that politics can go freely fuck itself and leave individuals to make their own choices in life.

I will (try to) respect forum rules and leave politics alone. If you want to discus it in private, my chat is always opened.
1. You were somewhat clear, but thanks for being a bit more clear.

2. Good stance, imo.

3. Ditto. I will always be available via PM for such talks.
UNSCRUPELIOUSDUBELIOUS!

There, I said it.

(This was a test, for the level of freedom of speech on GOG general forum. Passed.)
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timppu: UNSCRUPELIOUSDUBELIOUS!

There, I said it.

(This was a test, for the level of freedom of speech on GOG general forum. Passed.)
I think my forum title is the test :P
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CordisDia: Few weeks ago,i was suspended on steam general forum because i said that one of my ancestors participated in battle of Vienna against Otoman empire ...
Unfortunetly for me, in someone's imaginary point of view - my words were ''disrespectful'' , no matter i said historical fact ...
I have also been banned when i said Julian Assange,Edward Snowden and Donald Trump are heroes of modern era ...There were a lot of other examples like these, i can wrote whole bible here ...

I'm pretty new to GOG, i will buy Cyberpunk here, so im curious - can i expect same level of censorship and crimes against freedom of speech as i witnessed on steam forums ?? Forums there are full of whiny liberalistic snowflakes ,and you can be marked as nationalist,racist,xenophob,nazi,fascist for anything and everything you said ...
Is it the same situation here ?
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Wishmaster777: If you dare to criticize Judaism in a negative context, or write word "snowflake" when addressing someone, or write a joke about some pagans on fire you will get banned. It happened to me. So, a guy wrote a joke involving a priest and pedophilia, the comment still remains. My counter-joke about pagans burning got me banned.

Have a read here: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/happy_easter_2019/post38

I myself am unhappy with the judeo-marxist forum policy on Steam, and decided to switch to Gog, but Gog isn't much better either. It is getting increasingly judeo-marxist.
So Judaism and Marxism are the same?
CLassic Anti Semitic crap. There are gray areas, but this is not one. It's bigotry, pure and simple.
When these Human Turds start showing up, it's a sure sign a thread has become a cesspool.
And you can smell this one a mile away.
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dudalb: So Judaism and Marxism are the same?
CLassic Anti Semitic crap. There are gray areas, but this is not one. It's bigotry, pure and simple.
When these Human Turds start showing up, it's a sure sign a thread has become a cesspool.
And you can smell this one a mile away.
Tell me, are you the one from the ADL, because you do sound like one looking for personal gain with the stuff you brought up. Karl Marx was a Jew, thus I call it judeo-marxism.

Jewish prominent political and social commentator Dennis Prager explicitly stated that "Marxism is secular Messianism".
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jirPUjrqQP8
There are few links appearing in the Joogle where he describes his views on Jewish secularism. Here is one of them: https://www.dennisprager.com/explaining-the-left-part-iii-leftism-as-secular-religion/
Another quote from that Dennis' video says: "Jews love -ISMS. Jews are to -ISMS to what Italians are to operas. They create new movements."

Another prominent Jewish political and social commentator Ben Shapiro explains why most Jews in the USA have switched their religion with secular religions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4
Ben Shapiro: "Vast majority of Jews don't care about Judaism or Israel. They care about secular leftism, which is their actual religion."

You on the other hand, brought nothing as a quotation to back your position on this. You are nothing but one upset emotional brat, who probably already have complained to Gog's moderators regarding my comment. I have to add this: facts don’t care about your feelings.
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dudalb: So Judaism and Marxism are the same?
CLassic Anti Semitic crap. There are gray areas, but this is not one. It's bigotry, pure and simple.
When these Human Turds start showing up, it's a sure sign a thread has become a cesspool.
And you can smell this one a mile away.
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Wishmaster777: Tell me, are you the one from the ADL, because you do sound like one looking for personal gain with the stuff you brought up. Karl Marx was a Jew, thus I call it judeo-marxism.

Jewish prominent political and social commentator Dennis Prager explicitly stated that "Marxism is secular Messianism".
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jirPUjrqQP8
There are few links appearing in the Joogle where he describes his views on Jewish secularism. Here is one of them: https://www.dennisprager.com/explaining-the-left-part-iii-leftism-as-secular-religion/
Another quote from that Dennis' video says: "Jews love -ISMS. Jews are to -ISMS to what Italians are to operas. They create new movements."

Another prominent Jewish political and social commentator Ben Shapiro explains why most Jews in the USA have switched their religion with secular religions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4
Ben Shapiro: "Vast majority of Jews don't care about Judaism or Israel. They care about secular leftism, which is their actual religion."

You on the other hand, brought nothing as a quotation to back your position on this. You are nothing but one upset emotional brat, who probably already have complained to Gog's moderators regarding my comment. I have to add this: facts don’t care about your feelings.
Thanks for proving my point.
You have issues with Jews. No surprise there.
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dudalb: Thanks for proving my point.
You have issues with Jews. No surprise there.
Thanks for sealing the way I summed up your personality traits and fallacy of your arguments.
Life tip: quoting Jews doesn't mean I have issues with Jews. You are the one with the issues here.
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