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Freedom of speech exists within a public space, not a private space. GOG's board is a private space. It's like a mall (private property), not a city park. With that being said, a private company nakes the rules. Period. Unless their mission statement includes complete freedom of customers, it's not.

It's also important to remember that even in a public space (in the US), freedom to say what you want doesn't make you "free" from repercussions.

Overall, GOG seems to offer a fair amount of "freedom" in civil discourse, but there are rules and they do enforce them.
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ConsulCaesar: Friendly reminder of what freedom of speech actually is (courtesy of xkcd):

https://xkcd.com/1357/
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LootHunter: Wasn't there a court decision that being blocked on Twitter IS violation of a right for free speech?
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LootHunter:
You're misinterpreting that ruling. The ruling was that Trump can't block people from his account because it is an official government communication channel. That doesn't apply to all people.
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LootHunter: Wasn't there a court decision that being blocked on Twitter IS violation of a right for free speech?
Did you actually read the article? It applied to Trump's twitter account because he is a public official and represents himself as such on Twitter. It doesn't apply generally.

Basically, his account represents the government at the moment, thus protection of freedom of speech currently applies to it (he can't block anyone as that would be the government disallowing them free speech). This ruling doesn't apply to private twitter accounts.
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firstpastthepost: The ruling was that Trump can't block people from his account because it is an official government communication channel.
I think, you missed the point.
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ConsulCaesar: Friendly reminder of what freedom of speech actually is (courtesy of xkcd):

https://xkcd.com/1357/
This "comic" tells that being banned from social platforms (e.g. Twitter) doesn't violate your freedom of speech. But if, as you've said, Trump's Twitter account is "official government communication channel", being banned means you loose access to that channel, in the same way as if Trump would block you. Thus being banned from Twitter DOES violate freedom of speech.
Post edited June 18, 2019 by LootHunter
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firstpastthepost: The ruling was that Trump can't block people from his account because it is an official government communication channel.
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LootHunter: I think, you missed the point.
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ConsulCaesar: Friendly reminder of what freedom of speech actually is (courtesy of xkcd):

https://xkcd.com/1357/
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LootHunter: This "comic" tells that being banned from social platforms (e.g. Twitter) doesn't violate your freedom of speech. But if, as you've said, Trump's Twitter account is "official government communication channel", being banned means you loose access to that channel, in the same way as if Trump would block you. Thus being banned from Twitter violates freedom of speech.
You're right, I missed that that was your point. It's on interesting way of looking at it and the logic does kind of follow in a sense. But I think it wouldn't apply generally because removing a persons access to twitter doesn't remove all access to government communications channels. It would be determined by a measure of whose rights were more important, the right of an individual to a single communications channel to the government or the right of twitter to manage their own platform. But that would be an interesting thing to see argued in court.
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LootHunter: I think, you missed the point.
This "comic" tells that being banned from social platforms (e.g. Twitter) doesn't violate your freedom of speech. But if, as you've said, Trump's Twitter account is "official government communication channel", being banned means you loose access to that channel, in the same way as if Trump would block you. Thus being banned from Twitter DOES violate freedom of speech.
Being prohibited from communicating with the government along a channel accepted as official is a violation of your freedom of speech.

Being prohibited from communicating with a private individual who doesn't want to hear from you is not a violation of your freedom of speech.


EDIT: I see what you're saying. I failed to distinguish between your use of the terms ban and block.
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mods are happily editing your content when you for example lay down the difference between race and religion. oh and at the end of it you're called a racist of course.
if you want to have an open discourse go to a bar instead.
Post edited June 18, 2019 by AlienMind
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CordisDia: can i expect same level of censorship and crimes against freedom of speech as i witnessed on steam forums ??
Crimes against freedom of speech? Nice hyperbole. There is no crime.

Freedom of speech, if you define it in the US American way, is a protection against censorship by the state, nothing more. Any private company can put up their own rules. And this only applies to the US. GOG is not an American company, by the way, so better prepare for a more European view. US laws don’t apply outside the US.
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CordisDia: Forums there are full of whiny liberalistic snowflakes
You sound quite snowflakey yourself, to be honest. But that’s pretty common among people who love to call “libruls” snowflakes. Basically you are being a snowflake about being challenged for your right wing world view by “snowflakes”.
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CordisDia: ,and you can be marked as nationalist,racist,xenophob,nazi,fascist for anything and everything you said
I have my doubts about the “everything” part. People usually react that way under rather specific conditions, e.g. if they come across racists, xenophobes, neo-nazis, promoters of authoritarian ideologies in general. Maybe you are simply a racist, and it’s not some snowfake conspiracy. Who knows? If it’s always everyone else who’s at fault, you might better start to look at yourself.
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CordisDia: Is it the same situation here ?
You’ll find out next time you start ranting about your hero Donald Trump or some of the “historical facts” you mentioned.

Reading your post you seem to be better served on Reddit. There you can speak on all the “historical facts” about (((them))) and whatnot on TheDonald, KotakuInAction, Braincels, and so on and so forth. The echo chambers are probably also much more comfortable for you.

This is a gaming forum, not a political campaigning platform.

For everything else, please refer to the TOS and COC.
Post edited June 18, 2019 by 4-vektor
By the beard of Odin, please lock this thread!
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Enebias: By Grabthar's Hammer, please lock this thread!
FTFY
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CordisDia: Few weeks ago,i was suspended on steam general forum because i said that one of my ancestors participated in battle of Vienna against Otoman empire ...
Unfortunetly for me, in someone's imaginary point of view - my words were ''disrespectful'' , no matter i said historical fact ...
I have also been banned when i said Julian Assange,Edward Snowden and Donald Trump are heroes of modern era ...There were a lot of other examples like these, i can wrote whole bible here ...

I'm pretty new to GOG, i will buy Cyberpunk here, so im curious - can i expect same level of censorship and crimes against freedom of speech as i witnessed on steam forums ?? Forums there are full of whiny liberalistic snowflakes ,and you can be marked as nationalist,racist,xenophob,nazi,fascist for anything and everything you said ...
Is it the same situation here ?
As long as you don't talk about gov't politics(Trump/egtc in your post above) then you're fine as far as the rules are concerned(they ar ein one of the pinned threads on page 1 of the general forums). Some might dislike you for posting some topics, though(as evidenced by your low rating in the first post here). Pay them no mind as they have no power over bannings and carry on in a civil/constructive manner and you'll be fine/welcome here.
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SirPrimalform: Freedom of speech does not apply to a private forum. You're always free to say what you want, you just might be asked to go elsewhere to say it.
That is not a violation of your freedom of speech, nor is it censorship.
It should apply, imo.....such platform access should be a right/freedom(as some have said online)....just my two cents.
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firstpastthepost: Read the forum rules. Everything you're complaining about is explicitly not allowed to be discussed. There is a strict ban on discussing politics... which isn't necessarily a bad thing. If Gog wants to disallow certain discussion on their forum that's their prerogative.
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DadJoke007: I wouldn't call it that strict to be honest.

To anrwer OP, there are tons of different platforms to discuss politics on. I don't understand why gaming forums needs to be another place for "fking snowflake libtarts!" "trump voters are morons" and so on, it's tiring enough on every other social platform in existence.
I think every topic(well most) should be allowed on most GENERAL forums......albeit separated in subforums if need be. One can always pick-choose what to view, after all.
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Linko64: Might worth peeking at the code of conduct and then tell everyone why Thief 2 is still the best stealth game.
Thief 2 is the best Thief game(imo)...followed maybe by 1/the reboot and then 3.
Post edited June 18, 2019 by GameRager
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Enebias: By the beard of Odin, please lock this thread!
Odin called, said you can always vent yourself out of the thread.
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paladin181: Could not have said it better myself. GOG is under no obligation to listen to anyone's drivel. That being said, GOG is generally more tolerant of all viewpoints here than other websites. Even disagreeable ones. So feel free to test your bounds here. You may be welcomed by some. There are those who will curb your enthusiasm though.
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SirPrimalform: Indeed, despite GOG's rules they are remarkably loose in their application of them. However (as demonstrated by the low rating of the OP), quite often the userbase will make it known when you're making yourself a nuisance.
Or a handful of people with alts will show how they dislike certain topics on what they consider their digital "lawn". ;\
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AlienMind: if you want to have an open discourse go to a bar instead.
Good sarcastic joke, given effects of alcohol that may be a one way trip, for one or many.
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fronzelneekburm: It never ceases to amaze me how - without fail - self-proclaimed lefties will suddenly turn into dyed-in-the-wool capitalists when it comes to defending the silencing of anyone remotely to the right of their own bolshevist gospel.
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firstpastthepost: So long as the rules are applied evenly who cares? In my experience they are applied pretty evenly here. So your complaint is moot in the context of this forum.
When "hate speech" is disallowed/poorly defined in a site's rules(for example) it usually leads to one side being favored over the other as many end up on one side and call others on the other side all sorts of bad names to get them banned/punished(everywhere online).
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toxicTom: a) GOG is not a US based company ;-)
b) The problem with that is basically ALL social platforms are privately owned. This essentially means there is no freedom of speech, at least not on the internet, because every single platform has the right to delete and ban according to their own rules. Of course from the viewpoint of the individual service this makes completely sense. So in effect there is a right to free speech, but no way to exercise that right completely.
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paladin181: Well, in the US, certain platforms are regulated. and it appears someone will force the issue sooner or later. Twitter has already had the first step taken, that because it is used to communicate with government officials in the execution of their duty, government officials cannot block users on Twitter. Another step will be taken sooner or later wherein Twitter (and likewise large media companies, much like Television stations were) will be government regulated and won't be allowed to ban people for any issues that aren't legal issues. In other words, having a bad opinion will not allow twitter or youtube to ban your US account sooner or later. Eventually it will happen. Or the government will break them up.
I would hope this happens sometime soon.....platform access should be considered a right in the current age(as platforms are akin to the new commons).

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richlind33: Good point, Tom. Forums like this one are what passes for the "public commons" these days.
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firstpastthepost: The idea of something being a "public commons" and therefor available for practicing freedom of speech is kind of a grey area to begin with. Partially because many thing that people think are public spaces are actually privately owned and partially because there are many excuses that can be used to circumvent allowing protest in public spaces. A perfect example of this was the occupy camps in various cities. In Toronto they got kicked out cause the park they picked was actually privately owned. In some other places because the municipalities cited health and safety concerns.
Social platforms may be privately owned but the major ones serve very important functions/are essential to many people and their access to such should be guaranteed(unless they break the law of their country/etc) imo.
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LootHunter: (Though reputation doesn't actually mean much.)
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ncameron: ...Says the poster with -539 rep. :)

(j/k - I agree with you that rep doesn't mean much, and I know that there are people with considerably more rep than either of us who also agree.)
Some(not all but some) with high rep got it by towing the line and not rocking the boat while having agreeable opinions/doing other good works. Not all high rated users are good ones(many are though).
Post edited June 18, 2019 by GameRager