@jmich
From agent car I believe post 444 where he gives day 2 update

3. Regarding the Unique Role:
The Unique Role is a Semi-Compulsive Exorcist.
It is directly related to Spectres.
Each Night, the Exorcist must send in a PM with the name of a player that has been killed. That player’s Spectre will be driven from this earth. The Player is now completely dead, and may no longer post in the game thread, nor vote, nor use any ability. They continue to win with their team.

--but what if a PR is lynched. Should their spectre be given a chance to speak ?

Still waiting for this.



Yeah, wish I had voted for his lynch on D1;,adaliabooks is right.
if he's Town he's been a source of contention and distraction; I'm keeping my eyes on others, but he has managed to draw me into this a lot more than I'd have liked.
If he's Mafia, he managed to dictate the tone and focus of D2, taking much of the heat but with the "safe-guard" of us thinking, again, it's just his usual anti-town appearing play while offering protection and cover for his scum-buddies.


He apparently did. Are you satisfied with his replies?


You mean in addition to Scum Night Chat, or instead of it?



In contrast to babark who has dazzled us with his contributions, after asking for ideas on how to scum-hunt, eh?


Please point out where exactly I've said I'm confident that trentonlf's Good, and where I've defended him, and a lot for that matter.
Preferably in an actual pro-Town manner.


Only if you're wrong about trentonlf? That's priceless.

And why should I? Did I ever claim that trentonlf is Town? I've said it before, you may be right about him, but the way you go about it makes it really hard for others to see past your own antagonism and bias. Read adaliabooks post #641.


A couple of ideas come to mind. Like doing some proper scum-hunting, and having fun at it.



I don't think we're actually reading the same things, though.
It never was about the likelihood of Town Spectres to vote in a harmful to Town manner for me; that's a very real possibility.
I've questioned him for a completely different reason from the beginning (the distinction he made between Town Spectres and Scum Spectres), and his reply was a very casual "duh, the Power-Roles will tell us, what's there to question", and then deflected the point I made about the implications of that, by accusing me of being Scum and voting for me.



I'd like to answer this before you say anything, and am working on it right now.


I'd like a bump, just in case.

Bump

That does actually make sense, even though my understanding is that HSL would return as a spectre, but be exorcised immediately. Small difference in wording, but that is what we are looking for after all.

The explanation lotsofchickenwings gave me does seem like a plausible one. I can accept that as what HSL meant, though I still have no idea what you meant with your comment in post 501. Your call when you want to explain that, if you want to at all.

Are you asking me to help you pick your NK target, JMich?

Where did I say that I have extra information, and where did I not deny having it?

Did you read the D2 opening post? Would you perhaps like to (re)read it before we proceed? Hint - it's not about the Exorcist.

Bookwyrm627 does indeed have extra knowledge, because he returned as a Spectre; it's all in the D2 opening thread.
I do know, and so should you and everyone else who is actually reading the game-thread, that he has extra knowledge; it's all in the D2 opening thread, plus he alluded to it a couple of times.
What that knowledge is, I don't know, as I'd have to first become a Spectre. And even then, I'm not sure that I'd have the exact same knowledge as Bookwyrm627; it's all in the D2 opening post.

lotsofchickenwings already gave you the answer, I assume, you're looking for. I wish he hadn't intervened, as it now may seem that I'm piggy-backing on him.

Forgive me though for not feeling particularly inclined to give a definite answer as to if I am or am not the Exorcist; given that I am suspect of you and, as Bookwyrm627 said, you questioning it and the thought process behind it, don't exactly help me see you in a more positive light.

And no, I didn't mean it in a "fuck it, I'm out" way - would it have pleased you if I did?
I meant it in a "fuck drealmer7's shit" way. I think flubbucket got it.


I'd still take JMich first, but will vote HijacK, unless something earth-shattering happens.

I put as much effort into reading it as he put into writing it.

I don't think he's provided a Dessimu analysis, but I also think it is time to move on. The Day passes, waiting for no one, and I realize that Drealmer doesn't have infinite Real Life time to devote to this game.

In addition.

Alrighty, I'll wait.

I've been debating how much to reveal about my situation, and in what ways to do so. I'm going to let HSL give his explanation, and we'll go from there.

It actually wouldn't have. It would have meant that if you were town, you would have been abandoning town to themselves, by costing them a vote.
Which is also why I think the exorcist is the last PR in the scum's kill list, since he is a power that will most likely be removing town votes from the tally as the time goes on. Yes, he remains a target for scum to win, but his power is a double edged sword.

And I never asked if you were the exorcist. I asked if I had missed something in your "I won't be returning as a spectre" statement, since my understanding was that you would be returning, even if momentarily. But no, you claimed you wouldn't return, and that I hadn't missed anything about why you wouldn't return. What should I understand from that, other than the fact that you do have extra knowledge that you don't want to explain how you got? It's not like you offered clarification when asked about it...

I see no need for you to reveal anything unless it guarantees a scum lynch.

Depends on how much it helps or harms town...
You can't be lynched or NK'd so revealing you have some kind of power wouldn't (couldn't even) make you a target. But if the rest of us (scum included) knowing about said power makes it less effective then I would keep quiet.

If on the other hand it's just general knowledge about the abilities or lifespan of a Spectre that it would be good to know (for example if Spectre's expire by themselves without the Exorcist's intervention that effects some of thoughts we've had about the subject) then we should probably have that info now so we know how to proceed.

I trust your judgement though, so reveal whatever you feel is necessary to know.

Wouldn't that overpower them? I know agentcarr16 said this is not a (particularly?) balanced game, but I'd think that giving Mafia 24/7 private communication would be going too far.



You should know by now that I'm not a quitter. And I didn't really expect you to admit to being pleased, just like I didn't expect you to answer my question about your NK plans.


Really? If I were lynched, we'd go to Night, the time the fate of a Spectre is decided. If I'm not the Exorcist, and he's not NK-ed, at least not before making his choice, he'd have to pick me, so I'd never see the light of D3. Except for making a Bah post. Hmmm... I assume that could qualify as a Spectre returning momentarily. Is this what you mean(t)?


Where did I tell you in my first reply to you that you hadn't missed anything?

Knowing I'm Town, and suspecting you, you have to forgive me for questioning your motives instead of feeding you right away what you may be after.

I can't guarantee a scum lynch, or we'd already be in N2/D3.

However, Town needs to be aware that LyLo isn't normal this game. I'm not sure of the entire ramifications, but spectres can really mess with things, even those exorcised "immediately". And Yogsloth would just adore one aspect of spectrehood.

I've been counting on as much (about LyLo), as my first ponder of the set up led me along the lines of town had an advantage because of the win condition because they didn't lose when scum outnumbered them, then I remembered that in such a situation scum control the lynch and town would effectively lose as scum just lynched whoever they wanted until the PRs are all dead.
However the Spectres rebalance that equation as it means that even with three scum and one live town power role left scum aren't guaranteed a win if there are enough town spectres to achieve a lynch on scum.

The second part sounds intriguing though :)

I'm curious about why you think this. Please cite your source(s) and logic.

I'll trust your discretion on whether or not you think we need to know this info now or if it can wait until a later time.

So you do understand why I questioned your post then? Because you not being a quitter meant that the "fuck this" explanation was unlikely.


The exorcist can target spectres. If you are a spectre, he can target you, if you are not one, he cannot. To be able to remove you, you must have returned as a spectre, even if momentarily. You claimed you wouldn't return, so the exorcist wouldn't be able to target you. So there does seem to be a missing step.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_game_40_wilderberry_hollow/post621Post 621[/url]. You dont know of anything that I may have missed, which I took to mean that there wasn't any public info that I did miss.

Of course. The only question is if you question my motives or if you fit my motives to your suspicions. You know, similar to what you were saying to drealmer.