OK. Let's go that route. It has the added benefit of kind-of clearing Joe if RFG flips scum. At least for me, as I explained above, it looks unlikely that they are scum together.

ORLY?

Think of something? Something like a claim perhaps? You are at L-1 and the deadline is close, after all.

@all: 8 hours ago trent said 'about a day' without specifying the exact time. I won't hammer yet, but I am willing to do so this evening (European time). I'll just hope that RFG claims until then, but even if he doesn't he seems our best bet at the moment. Do we have anything else to discuss before we end the Day?

@dedo You should bring up your uneasiness regarding me the next Day, in greater detail if possible. I am sure most everyone here will appreciate it, except for scum obvs :]

@Joe it's not parroting but I agree with the sentiment some have expressed towards you. I am torn about you. I want to believe these parlor tricks are a scum's tactics, but at the same time I have enough circumstancial evidence (an entire Secret Hitler game!) that proves otherwise. Also, well, you say you've been drumming up my towniness, but that doesn't mean I should turn a blind eye to you or anyone following that school of thought. Gotta tell if that person saying I am Town is Town himself, you know?

That said, you said you have issues with the reads list, well:
- there is no scum list because I have seen nobody acting seriously scummy, but just neutral at best. Two of these players (blotunga and you) are protected by their play styles so it isn't obvious if there's any suspicious deviation, one of them I'm worried about specifically because of how he approached me today with Softclaimgate (I'm so sorry), and the last is, well, they remind me of how he played when he was scum but I'm not sure if that's also the way he normally plays so not willing to lynch yet.
- Lift was part of Softclaimgate (again, sorry!) and I am of the opinion that it was a distraction by scum to throw shade on people through a misunderstanding.

@all come to think of it, tomorrow would be MyLo. We'd be down to six players tomorrow if all kills go through, and it would be game over if a mislynch happens tomorrow and a kill goes through. For all my talk about protecting PRs by not claiming, it would be for naught if we didn't claim tomorrow. We absolutely need every bit of mechanical evidence of innocence or guilt the next Day.

I see RFG is at L-1. I'm interested to see if he will claim or follow in Pooka's footsteps.


How can you be so sure that both of us would make it to the next Day?

I still have Joe as my top suspect. There are things I just can't let go. There is just too much he does that I find opportunistic. But I think I've said enough on that subject.

Beyond that, I see no smoking guns (or I see too many of them). I don't like most of RFG's Day 2 but thought he was trying Day 1. I have some doubts about Blotunga today but I tend to find him scummy most games. Agent is up and down today, but I similarly usually find him a bit scummy. I see why he's attracted interest but then he'll make a post that sounds Town, such a mixed bag. And a lot of this is over soft claims that I don't believe were sift claims at all

Then there are their interactions with Joe...who is all too ready to let anyone else get lynched
To me the 2nd Tier is a crap shoot.

And it doesn't escape me that those I don't suspect are experienced players who are hard to read and capable of fooling me. But try as I might, I just see generally solid analysis.

I never implied that. There is a chance you or I get killed. If we both stay alive however, we can talk about your issues without worrying because of deadlines.

You did. You asked me to

That means I'm alive to be able to do it. It also means you're alive because otherwise there would be no point to bring that up - you being killed off would mean you were indeed Town which means my suspicion was utterly wrong. Or you get killed by a Vig or similar and flip scum in which case I'll just gloat and "I-told-you-so" a whole lot but again there would be no real point to bring up the actual suspicions anymore.

So yeah, in from where I'm standing it heavily implies we both survive regardless of whether that was your intention or not. Hence why I asked.

I feel like crap today (renal crisis), and won't be able to join in later, so here is my speculation. If I were scum I'd eliminate the most townish looking guy in the room. Especially if I'm not in conflict with him...

well that's bollocks

I'm not exactly sure what that is but a quick search makes it look like something terrible. I'm sorry you're feeling unwell and hope you get better soon. Don't worry about the game too much, your health is a priority. All the best!

About half a day to go vote count


Being Voted ------------------------------------------------Voted by
RedFireGaming---------------------------------------------Agent (Post 349), Pooka (Post 427), JoeSapphire (Post 430), blotunga (Post 432)
JoeSapphire-------------------------------------------------RW (Post 395), Lift (Post 400)
agentcarr----------------------------------------------------RedFireGaming (Post 406)

Closest to lynch is RedFireGaming at L-1

Hurts like hell.

I hope RFG flips scum, otherwise the game gets a lot more complicated tomorrow.

And again keep in mind there is a high chance scum can coordinate better because there might be day chat.

Fuck, that's not nice - hope you start feeling better as quick as possible

As well as implying you and dedo are going to be alive tomorrow, here you also make the assumption that RFG isn't scum, what's up with that?

But the point I'm saying is - I would have thought you'd pick up on my regular support of Pooka. I guess I'm thinking about how Dedo has regularly done mock flattery of me and also interacted with the things I've said at face value - rather than questioning my motives, whether I'm genuine etc.
It makes alternately suspicious and trusting. I think I've settled on dedo's town because of this.
He's not settled on Joe's town. (yet?)

@joe what's with all these silly implications!

No, I never implied RFG was scum. But it is true that my post about MyLo being tomorrow is missing something: I didn't say that this would be assuming the worst case scenario, a.k.a. RFG is a mislynch. Also, even that implication is just plain wrong: for the sake of argument, what stops blotunga from acting horrendously scummy in the last few hours and have votes switched over to him, exactly like what happened with GR the previous Day? Point is, it implies a mislynch more than it implies a RFG mislynch.

All I can say is, the perks of playing forum mafia, on the GOG forums, from mobile.

About the whole picking up your support of me thing, I hadn't noticed it, especially since going mobile. Still, it is a point to be considered when reading you. I get the feeling that dedo is wary about my praise of RW precisely because I had also praised gogtrial when I was Mafia, making it a winning strategy.

Should I live to see the next Day, I'll ISO as many people as I can to see if there's anything we missed. I ask everyone else to do the same.

The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out Of Its Ass

Hope you get better soon.

Get better soon!

Yea, sure. I believe you. Not. This role doesn't fit the setting at all. So, strictly speaking, I must assume that you are lying.

I know it's supposed to be a joke, but joking at L-1 is dangerous and just shows that you don't have a good false claim. Sure, I get the frustration. Claiming Vanilla wouldn't save you at this point. You can't claim Cop, the only role that would maybe save you, because that role is already dead and flipped. So you're in a bad spot, claim-wise, and your joke-claim just confirms that you've given up.

I don't see a point in dragging the day out longer. Does anyone present have anything important to say before Nightfall? If not, I'll hammer in half an hour or so.