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Leonard03: Still there flub?
Here we go!
I'm the town jailer ya'll. I locked up HijacK last night. My reasoning was that it was seemed likely that he was at in some sort of danger from the prod so if he was town, no harm in a little extra protection. And if he was scum, then he would be blocked. Win -win.
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Love ya dude. Go have some timbits. Sorry adalia's bussing you.
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adaliabooks: Unvote Leonard
You know what I'm thinking of right now? This post by yogs. You trying to get me lynched without even voting me?
"Should have refreshed first"

LOL
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yogsloth: "Should have refreshed first"

LOL
-_-
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adaliabooks: Unvote Leonard
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Leonard03: You know what I'm thinking of right now? This post by yogs. You trying to get me lynched without even voting me?
Nope. Considering your claim I'm happy enough with your credentials for today. No longer interested in lynching you.
I'm going to go eat food.
Hopefully no formatting screw-ups.

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bler144: Technically adalia was the first to "pre-suggest" it early in D1.
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Leonard03: Where? I was looking to find the first mention of it this game.
#101 He says: "I'm not imagining multiple scum teams (not yet)" - the "not yet" could just be incidental, but it sets him up to come back and imagine multiple scum teams later. Considering how fast those first 100 posts went up, he was at least raising the specter of the possibility 2-3 hours into the game.

Coincidence? Possibly. But it was the first mention.


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Bookwyrm627: 4) Unvote Leonard
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Leonard03: Oh snap! What Ix gonna do, he said he would switch to you, but my wagons a rollin'!
Heh.

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cristigale: However, I don’t agree that Leonard’s wagon will be a bust. If Leonard flips town, I expect we’ll find scum in the speedy wagon.
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Leonard03: What is stopping us from doing that now?
The fact that you haven't flipped or otherwise been confirmed. The analysis looks different depending on whether you're actually town vs. scum. Moreover, as you note, Cristi is one of only what, 2 votes that have any substance.


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Leonard03: What I meant is that at the end of the day if there is not a person being lynched, there is no possible way for us to win.
Not universally true. Sometimes no lynch is the best play - D4 of Vitek's game for example it was one of the two optimal plays available. Alas I was tired/distracted and screwed up my analysis. Plus I was in a pissing match with Trent, which didn't help.


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Leonard03: I do have things to say to whats going on! Ok, I don't have a finger in every pie, but I do contribute where I see something. Hmph, you are one to talk about taking time to cast a vote. Though I won't deny I take a little while.
When I say "I haven't seen anything that pings my scum meter" I'm saying I have not seen any slips that make me almost certain someone is scum. It doesn't mean there aren't little things.
I'm not holding anything back. If you want to see something similiar to what's happening right now, check Vitek's game. I'll bet I played pretty similarly then.
I don't think it's fair to give me trouble for not bringing enough discussion. What about flub? He has spent most of the game saying how terrible yogs is. Are you really saying I've done less than him? Have I posted tons of new ideas? No, but if you expect me too you will be disappointed.
Heh.


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Leonard03: I'm the town jailer ya'll. I locked up HijacK last night. My reasoning was that it was seemed likely that he was at in some sort of danger from the prod so if he was town, no harm in a little extra protection. And if he was scum, then he would be blocked. Win -win.
Interesting.


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yogsloth: "Should have refreshed first"

LOL
Lol - i do that all the damn time.
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yogsloth: "Should have refreshed first"

LOL
Here's some food for thought. Do you think there's anyway scum get a bonus of some sort to kill someone who has been prodded? adalibooks says "I think you're missing an important point. What if HijacK wasn't blocked, but Jailed? If someone thought he was more likely to die then they could have jailed him to protect him, which makes perfect sense." To me it sounds like he knows whoever was being prodded had a higher chance to die.

If scum have a jailer they could easily set it up to protect the prodded person by jailing them and then claim town jailer because they feared for his life. adaliabooks hints at this possibility and then Leonard announces it. Perfect reason for adaliabooks to remove his vote from Leonard and try and look like town doing it and then it gives doubt about Leonard being scum.

This is a far out theory, but something is off about those two.
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trentonlf: This is a far out theory, but something is off about those two.
Something is off? It's not the giant flashing "WE'RE SCUMBUDDIES" sign, that's for sure.

Quick question trent - are you on the other team, then?
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yogsloth: Something is off? It's not the giant flashing "WE'RE SCUMBUDDIES" sign, that's for sure.

Quick question trent - are you on the other team, then?
LOL, yes I am town. Thanks for your concern.
As usual while catching up I'm writing what I have to say. There may be redundancy with other players (hopefully not too many.

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Bookwyrm627: I can't speak for Dedo, but I haven't discounted that both blocks are actually town, or even that one/both RB claims are lies. I'd tend to doubt either of those last two cases, but it is possible.
At this point I can't see both being lies and I kind of doubt even one is lie. As it was said a few times they basically corroborated each other. Unless it's concerted which seems somewhat unlikely I believe both blocks (or jailings or combo) happened. What I never thought about though is both of them being Town. Like I told HijacK my first take on this was that both they were of scum (or at least anti-town) origins. Looking at possible numbers and assumed roles I concluded that there are more likely to be 1 scum and 1 town. 2 town blocks never even occurred to me. I guess it's not impossible but it seems highly unlikely to me.



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bler144: I'm curious if yogs remembers the last time he proposed a "two-scum team theory" to me, likewise supposedly based on how players fit together. His exact words were, and I quote: "Tellin ya. Two Scum teams. Book it. Bet your house." Spoiler alert: there was one team. And yogs knew there was only one team. Thank god I didn't own a house.
I can't remember when that was and under what circumstances but I have to say that even though I know his suggestion isn't entirely correct it doesn't automatically it's not partially so. Remind me, was he just wrong back then or was that a scum ploy on his side? Either way I don't see him as one-trick pony so I doubt it's the same play if it's a play at all.

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bler144: No one else around to answer. Where is everyone this eve? Not sure what to make of that. Anyway, I thought it was interesting. Dunno, I feel like he's somehow managed to stay under peoples' radar. And not sure why.
Didn't he even manage to get off your radar, too? Anyway, the threat was noteworthy. I wonder what would happen if Wyrm got off and Leonard actually flips town...



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HijacK: It's actually one or two less than in a previous game, and yet this seed of "multiple" scum factions has grown to fascinating proportions given the current data.
Possible? Sure. I can totally see it. Plausible?... Has anyone looked at the data on hand recently?
I'm still hyped about the "Sherlock Holmes and the case of the missing second NK" to see how all this unfolds.

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HijacK: I really need to watch Firefly one of these days. The MMO will come out.
What?! That's a thing?? Yes, please! Also, yes, you have to watch it. But don't go in with tremendous expectations since it may ruin it for you initially. You'll see what I mean when you pick it up. But it's fantastic for sure! (You can continue to swing at me, consider this outside game discussion with a great fan of the show :))



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adaliabooks: A little bit leery of the speed wagon, but that does appear to be how we role here in the Shire...
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adaliabooks: Vote Leonard03
These speedy wagons, man. These speedy wagons...



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HijacK: I find his play relatively more defensive than in previous games.
Well, pretty much everyone and their cat is going at him, so not that shocking. But I do hear where you're coming from (the only recollection of his playstyle I have is from yog's game where he was neutral and did pretty good job, he actually achieved his objective if I'm not mistaken).

Important note: Lazarus is f*cking awesome!


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Bookwyrm627: 4) Unvote Leonard
Now you've done it!



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drealmer7: I think it is quite possible HijacK and adalia are scum-buddies. If it is true, it fits very well together, and I have a very lengthy post typed and saved analyzing all of that that I will spare you all from for now. Their claims conveniently support each other and they are avoiding each other's individual issues pretty much entirely, among other things.
is it just the mutual corroboration the kicker or is there something else as well?



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yogsloth: 4) DO NOT TRUST THE FLIPS. NONE OF THEM. (Except probably P1na, I think that was legit)
Wat?



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bler144: Looking at that, and amidst everything that has happened, I'm curious if Flub will clarify why his vote is on yogs at this point.
For the same reason Leonard's should have been still on flub?


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HypersomniacLive: We still have time to discuss our options, so thoughts?
I like this post. I also would prefer adalia but Leonard is currently my very next choice so I will go either way. I'm a bit afraid that he will get hammered too fast if I put him at L-1 considering he said he has connectivity issues. So I will wait a bit longer to see if he actually gets on and has something important to say.

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Leonard03: Here we go!
I'm the town jailer ya'll. I locked up HijacK last night. My reasoning was that it was seemed likely that he was at in some sort of danger from the prod so if he was town, no harm in a little extra protection. And if he was scum, then he would be blocked. Win -win.
Oh, and he did. Convenient. I also like adalia's reaction. It's consistent with the earlier setup.

I may remove this

vote Leonard

when everyone comes by and no one counter claims what Leonard said he did. I hope the counter claim wasn't supposed to come from JMich, though...
Guys, we're rapidly approaching that time of the week where I will be offline a lot more than I'll be on.

Please don't drag this on another four freakin' days.

If you can't see the writing in the potato salad by this point, you're not going to see it no matter how long you sit there with your thumb in your ass.
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trentonlf: Here's some food for thought. Do you think there's anyway scum get a bonus of some sort to kill someone who has been prodded? adalibooks says "I think you're missing an important point. What if HijacK wasn't blocked, but Jailed? If someone thought he was more likely to die then they could have jailed him to protect him, which makes perfect sense." To me it sounds like he knows whoever was being prodded had a higher chance to die.

If scum have a jailer they could easily set it up to protect the prodded person by jailing them and then claim town jailer because they feared for his life. adaliabooks hints at this possibility and then Leonard announces it. Perfect reason for adaliabooks to remove his vote from Leonard and try and look like town doing it and then it gives doubt about Leonard being scum.

This is a far out theory, but something is off about those two.
I refer you to rule 11 of the OP:
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Lifthrasil: 11. All players should post at least once every second day. If you expect to be away for two days or more, please let me know either through PM or in the game thread. Failure to do this will result in me sending you a warning, which will make you more killable. If that doesn't cause a reaction in another 2 days, you will be replaced or modkilled.
Emphasis added.
We all know being prodded makes you more likely to die. Scum may know more about how or why, but we all know it's a fact. It's there in the rules.

I've already listed my reasons why I believe HijacK was more likely to be jailed / protected by town than scum, though Leonard claiming the action muddies the waters a bit now. Yes, it could all be a set up... but at the time I said that Leonard was in no danger of being lynched. So why would I be setting up a save for him?
That's pretty long range thinking, particularly from someone who seemed in danger of being lynched themselves.
I don't really know what to say about this other than it's not the case...
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yogsloth: If you can't see the writing in the potato salad by this point, you're not going to see it no matter how long you sit there with your thumb in your ass.
I found it.
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