Fun Fact: Catventuer (me) is too lazy to lie even when not sick. However that doesn't mean you should ask me outright for my alignment.



So I was in my living room this morning, and they were talking about the cold arctic freeze, and it looked like all the warmth in the US is going to be centered around my state (California.) The further you move away from me, the colder you get. My fever is keeping everyone toasty here.

Okay, I'm sick and need to go rest.

Well I guess holiday break is over, time to hunt them reformers for the glory of our pope.

It's true, I thought these were empty promises but I actually got a cat yesterday. (I'll talk to you about this new cat by PM.)
In the spirit of RVS-ness I'd be propping you one step closer to popedom right now BUT you actually have a sizable amount of votes and I don't want to turn that into something serious just for a joke.


Changing subject now. I reread the whole game (as if there was too much to read, ha) and decided I had not given proper weight to this post when I commented on it.
So Fark ties Micro and Pooka together for voting for the same person right after each other, which would be fine scumhunting if Pooka wasn't selfvoting. If you get two scumbuddies to so openly work into building a wagon would they not go after a townie?

Furthermore, while the addition of names might have sparked confusion like this Pooka's post doesn't leave room for doubt that it was a selfvote.

As Fark is a new player (at least here) and might not be used to the game or our jargons I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but this earns them scumpoints.

Itchy? Gaseous?

At a first read I felt CatV was okay-ish, on a second read I thought so many of her posts were void of actual scumhunting, like the set #54-#58-#60-#64... which was still perfectly fine because it was in that period where most players were completely absent, including me. So during those days I can't say she contributed little because none of us did anything noteworthy. Of course, the game starts for real now.

Your good name? Psha! Quite easily. What kind of stupid name is "Fortitude" anyway?

I find this post pretty scummy TBF. "Ohnoes, there's a train leading, let's make sure votes are split onto a second train, hopefully leading Town to indecision and getting us a NoLynch".
If we were in the last 48 hours of this Day I would declare you the first scum right here and now. As it is, if we happen to investigate Micro and find scum you're certainly his buddy.
The fact that you and Micro later pile up on CatV (posts #65-67) doesn't make you appear any less connected either.

Now I am torn. Between this pair I think Bucktooth is far scummier than Micro, but Micro does have votes, Bucktooth does not.
(sigh)
Vote Micro

And here I thought I was underperforming this game so far, what with me absent to play the games in my backlog. It must be my magnetic personality :)
(Happy 2025 everyone)

You and Scene, please get better soon. I'd rather vote people out for being the scummiest, not the sickest.

Scums can use this very tactic of self voting to appear non scummy. This is my experience. Am I right? I don't know but I still wonder. We shall see given time I be thinking.

Points is points.

I'm trying to actually be here, but I check on the thread and it's been a whole lot of nothing. I voted for Micro (post #27) and nobody has given me a reason for why I should move my vote elsewhere... so most of my posts since are on the level of yes, I'm still here but where is everyone else?


Similar Thing - I'd rather vote someone out for scumminess, not because they have not posted once. I will freely admit that I flat out do not like that we have a non-player that hasn't posted once, but I'm not in favor of passing out freebies by voting to eliminate someone that isn't participating.

I think I have that stomach flu that's going around. I almost all the symptoms for it at this point, and the chills are the worst of it. I have to use a heating pad just to be comfortable enough to leave my bed and post online.

Okay, I'm going to try to sleep soon.

We having a high chance to hit town on the first try. Would it not be better to remove a player that hasn't posted anything vs someone else who is more active that we can interact with more? This is not a penalty to the quiet player but more logical choice.

The odds are that the inactive player is not on scum team. If we eliminate on the basis that they're inactive, we're doing two things that I dislike more than the inactive player even being there:
1. Scum team gets a freebie elimination.
2. It removes the moderator's ability to substitute in a replacement for the inactive person.

Although I'm really sick here, I can still rationally understand why using Day 1 to eliminate an inactive player is just all around bad. We should let the moderator decide what to do with the inactive because that's part of what the moderator does. So what's your excuse for not understanding this?

Because your vote in Post #87 for the inactive player is a worthless vote, especially this close to the Day 1 deadline. The fact that you're still pushing for everyone to go this route in Post #95 only makes you look scumtastic.

Scum Team: Microfish, FarkyTheDog, ???

That's not what I was suggesting. Odds are that the first person removed from game will more likely being town, this is true. If we had to choose between a non active player and an active one and removed the non active player, the player of the two not voted out would be easier to read due to posting more. And if they're town they'd be more helpful as the game progresses.

Moreover, let's not forget, if Micro and I were a scumteam, we couldn't be any more idiotic than to buddy up in that specific way for the purposes of "buddying up" or whatever. Read the Sample PM for Reformers, you'll see they have a Day Chat, just like almost all of the GOG Mafia games hosted recently - we could buddy up privately in the Day Chat and not spoil our genius plan, but hey, I'm not scum and I don't even know if Microfish is scum.

And, y'know... it was RVS.

But to give the benefit of the doubt, it was, after all, RVS. But hmm, I see he later calls my #25 to be "saying a bunch of somethings and then also being nothings", hmm. I dunno, I'd think it'd be in the interest of Town to point out the new nuances of voting in this game.

Look, I can chalk all that up to being a newbie here. It's more likely his posts come from a place of inexperience than scene's latest post coming from a place of Reformers.

Okay Mr. Temperature.

By that logic that I would have been scum no matter which way I put a vote at that point

Vote Micro? "Oh man scumbuddy is going down, better bury myself in the wagon to save face when he flips"
Vote Pooka? "Lets jump on another train to hopefully take them down before micro goes down"
Vote {Insert any other name} "Lets make something up and hope it sticks and pulls votes away from micro"

The game was moving pretty slow at that point so I figured a couple trains to get something moving would be beneficial to the game to get some further digging going.

My last vote for Cat was due in part due to their appeal for Popedom to get the game over with since everyone seems to lost interest. This could have been a joke of course, but the paranoid in me also sees that she has been one of the more active players in a game so far that has had a slow start due to the holiday. A scum who takes command of a slow game early to give off the impression of "Townie taking charge to get things done" would be a wise strategy so far, and I'm having a hard time at this moment seeing it any other way.

Normally I would agree with this logic(no matter how newbie unfriendly it is), but in this game the fear of losing an active participant to lynch is lessened as they can still contribute to the discussion after the fact. Thats not to say that some people might disappear right after they are investigated as it can happen, but with these rules I feel we can vote with our gut feelings a little bit more as those who are committed to the game the whole way through can still help out if voted off.

Yes, it is. You're saying that we should not give Lift the option to substitute in someone else to replace the inactive person. Also as I said previously, eliminating someone on the basis of being inactive is giving scum team a pass. Nobody has to explain their vote on Day 2 so it's just Day 1 repeated. Town gains nothing for it.

You're behaving like Micro when I said that he was obfuscating other people's motives for voting or not voting.... Except that you're doing it in relation to giving mafia a free pass.


If I had to guess on who Mafia #3 is, probably Bucktooth. Post #99 looks like sanewashing to me.

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Side Note - feel only slightly better than yesterday, still have a fever headache; took my socks off as I don't feel like I'm going to freeze to death... going to take a nap after breakfast

"We really need to make some headway soon. Someone isn't trying to elect a pious Pope. We can't trust everybody!"
Someone states.
"So perhaps it's time to investigate someone? Faithful Catholics have nothing to fear after all, do we?"
Another asks.

So it's time to either ELECT a new Pope or VOTE to investigate someone.

ELECTION
unchanged

INVESTIGATION VOTES:
micro 2 - cat 27, joppo 92
Pooka 1 - scene 44
Mchack 1 - mchack 34
AFP 1 - Fark 74
Scene 1 - pooka 50
Cat 2 - Buck 65, micro 67

Not voting: AFP and yogs

Also, today is the day of the first pokes.
I didn't get any reply from AFP since the game started. So I'll ask trentonlf to step in and I'll
EXTEND THE DEADLINE TO THE 6TH OF JANUARY

Stupid me forgot investigated players can talk afterwards. On another note I wondering how that balances out with having eliminated players being able to help after their elimination. I guessing we shall find out. Don't want to hold up votes and don't want to vote the kitty kat out right now so I shall..

Vote West

I thought sanewashing was going to go on the list of Mafia terms I didn't know, to find out it's actually related to journalism...huh

In all reality I do hope you feel better Cat even if you think I'm scum

Hello everyone! I have never played a setup like this before, but I find it very cool that even after someone is voted out they can still participate in discussions, just no voting. This should be a lot of fun! I am sad to have missed the start of the game so I could give yogs a hard time, but being so close to deadline I will just say yogs if you are scum I will hate you till the end of time because you as scum still scares the bejezzus out of me.

I have been following the game thankfully, so I will do my best not to hold things up.

This was early on in the game, and rarely does any train this early have any hope of actually getting anywhere, yet you have Pooka as being opportunistic wagon building, why push something like that so early in the game, and why not say something about Bucktooth doing the same two posts later putting Pooka at 3 votes at that time too? Are you tunneling on Day 1 again?

Do you think Micro is scum or are you joking?

Why did you Elect Scene?

NO NO NO. You want to know what is the easiest way to give scum a victory? Handing them lynches they don't have to work for. If we remove someone like that we gain almost no information. Maybe we get lucky and they are scum, but the chances are higher that they are not.

I really like this post, and I am putting Cat in my Town slot, It will be hard for me to move her out of there as I have found her to be the most consistent Town vibe so far.

I am also concerned that Pooka and Scene are doing the Town on Town thing on Day 1 that is going to be a distraction into later Day's if that's true. I have gone over both of their posts and I am not getting any big Scum vibes from either so far.


Reasons??



Just because someone can still participate even if lynched does not justify lynching someone anyway. That is giving scum a way out "Hey, I voted them because they can still participate even if voted out", we are still losing their vote and that is what's most important in the end.

Right now I am leaning toward FarkyTheDog, him trying to justify removing someone that has given ZERO information because it's the easiest thing to do rubs be wrong.

Investigate FarkyTheDog[\b]